Avalanche death

oldskewl

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so I am at the canyons today. I knew avalanche danger was high and make a decision on the top of 9990 to stay inbounds (not a very tough choice). It was clearly posted that the danger was high and it has been all over the news. At a little after 11:00 it sure enough slid and someone died. My point is when the danger is high do yourself and your family a favor and stay inbounds.

It actually really pisses me off because I knew someone would get caught in one this weekend. And the canyons could have blocked the exit gates. With all of the tourists in town who have no idea that they are actually entering the backcountry when they go through those gates it seems to me that they should have at least posted someone to warn people that the danger was high this weekend. I do not know if the person had any experience or not in back country skiing.

 
rip.+

but people realy need to start arming themselves with the knowlege,ability and gear before they go out in avi country. its sad to read about so many people...
 
There's only so much you can do to idiot-proof the backcountry. Ultimately, common sense and experience is what will keep you alive--people who die when the danger is high usually have neither. Right now it's really easy to get at least a little education on how to be safe in the backcountry, but no matter what there will always be people skiing exposed stuff when the danger is high, sledders high marking when they shouldn't be, and a ton of other things I'm not going to bother listing. It really sucks to have a fellow skier/boarder/etc die doing what they love, but at the same time it can be easily avoidable in a situation like this.
 
The slide happened inbounds so its not like they were out fucking around in the BC avalanche danger is super high as of right now... conditions are just sketch...
 
Yeah, I didn't see that until a couple minutes ago. It's crazy how many inbounds slides there have been this year, I've been second-guessing the snowpack at the ski areas a lot lately.
 
RIP, i guess this is one of the better things about living on the east coast we dont have to worry about this as much
 
when i use to ski the canyons(when i lived in salt lake) i remember my dad telling me about a mother and father that had ducked that gate (it was closed) and triggered an avalache. the really sad part is that they had a 2 year old kid that had been in the nusery all day. now that kid has no father or mother due to a bad decison on their part
 
where it happened was I believe out of bounds. The whole point of the thread was to point out the danger of avalanche and out of bounds skiing. FACT IS I was there and saw MANY PEOPLE going out of bounds. No need to hate...just want people especially those that dont ski exposed terrain to think twice
 
yeah, I've been reading about it on TGR. it's sad what happened. They have a lot more info if you want to check.
 
The area it happened in is out of bounds, with a ropeline clearly marking the boundary. The two traversed and ducked rope and immediatly were caught in the avy.

Here is an account from a guy who was in the area.

"I dont have all the details... but I was skiing in the back country the moment this avalanche occured. My friend and I were skiing off the Peak 5 chair (a hike known as the Abyss). This slide happened off the 9990 chair lift at the Canyons. For those who know the Canyons, the exact location of the slide is where you take that high traverse off to the skiers left... pass through Northface runs, and then there is a boundary rope that is clearly marked. My guess is that the victim traversed over then ducked the rope which is right next to the uncontrolled area just to the skiers left of Northface runs. It happened between SquareTop mountain and the NorthFace runs. My friend and I just finished our runs and they had just closed the 9990 lift claiming their had been an avalanche. We informed ski patrol that we had proper equipment and we rode up the 9990 lift with a patroller. On our way up, his radio mentioned they had found the persons burried (a young boy I believe who has some injuries, but I think is ok) and the other buried person (the now victim) and they were calling for CPR equipment. The patroller told us they did not need our help any more as we arrived to the top of the closed 9990 lift, but my instincts said otherwise as avalanche dogs, patrollers, and equipment were moving toward the side avalanche site in a hurry."
 
Dont even say RIP if your gunna end it like that..No shit the decisions they made lacked common sense, but they are someones family regardless of whether their decisions were good or not..Imagine how hard it is for their family...and for you to call them an idiot is pretty fuckin ironic.
 
Dude, if there's anything you learned in that course, I hope you learned the #1 principle of avalanches: they don't care about how much you know.  People who have studied avalanches for 20+ years die in slides; taking a course is great, but feeling confident after two days is like someone throwing a helmet on and then slamming their head into a rock because they think they're all good now.  A two day course should have you more scared than before.
 
You must not of payed attention... Avalanches can happen anywere. Inbounds out of Bounds, The snow dosn't care were it falls. Right conditions at the right time mean it can happen anywere. You might want to take another course if you really think this way. Rest in Powder to the lost brotha.
 
Naw, a male in his late twenties was the fatality and an 11 year old boy that was life flighted out. there was a death at the canyons last week as well if that's what your thinking? a guy went off the trail for unknown reasons and died of massive chest and i believe head injuries from striking a tree.
 
nope...im tihnking of the same one...for some reason i thought there was another male 25-35 years old..mustve read the article wrong.
 
posting that the avalanche danger is high on bc gates seems like a good idea, but if they are going to have indicators of avalanche dangers(like the things on beaches), what about when avalanche danger is low or moderate. any gaper will see low or moderate and think it's safe. that's a terrible idea. They don't know all of the risks involved with the bc and avalanches could still happen.
 
Well, that's part of what makes the backcountry the backcountry. The resort can put up the vague danger warnings, but it's really up to you to make a good decision. If a clueless person thinks it's ok to go out and kill themselves because they think they're fine, that's the way it is. As I said before, you can't idiot-proof everything.
 
By now most of you are aware of the fatality and the heroic rescue of the boy at the Canyons mountain resort inbounds off the 9990? ski lift. Just before noon yesterday, three men were caught and carried after triggering a 3-5? deep and 175? wide avalanche. One man in his late twenties died from injuries due to trauma while the flowing debris engulfed a man and his 11 year old son in the flats below. The father was able to dig himself out while his son remained completely buried. The ski patrol soon located and excavated the boy from the debris. No pulse. No respirations. Upon immediate CPR, the boy revived and was evacuated to a hospital in Salt Lake, where he remains in critical care. Control teams had peppered the area with over 170 lbs of explosives the day before. It?s a tragic accident.

vibes to all involved
 
I heard the cripple who sued snoqualimie after overshooting the jump was just quadriplegicly sliding down the mountain in an intertube and ended up getting caught in the slide.  He says he is suing to make the mountain safer and pay for some fancy robot arms.
 
ya it was inbounds from what I heard...so will anyone out there start to use there beacons inbounds...
 
ice sheet < Too much powder it kills you

west coast sounds better to me bro, but you have your opinion
 
that's extremely unfortunate. is 175 lbs a lot of explosives? at first I was like daamn all that explosives and it still slid, but then I realized I don't have a clue about explosives so maybe that just wasn't enough or somethin...
 
Yeah I hate it when people do that. whether its because they want to be "cool" or "tough" or just think they're the shit and they can do it, its still so stupid.

i agree, dont go into a place where its a high avalanche risk... and since it was all over the news, wouldnt they be smart enough?
 
Well, it was an inbounds avalanche, triggered inbounds. I was going to quote an article from today but i'll just copy and paste it... From the Salt Lake Tribune www.sltrib.com

Utah avalanche experts are calling Sunday's fatal slide at The Canyons Resort "a rarity" that has no parallel in recent Utah memory.

"We have got some of the best snow and avalanche people in the world here, whose record is just impeccable," said Craig Gordon, forecaster with the Utah Avalanche Center. "You probably stand a better chance of walking across the street and getting hit by a car that doesn't see you than an avalanche occurring in a ski resort."

The avalanche that killed Jesse R. Williams, 30, of Grand Junction, Colo., and critically injured an 11-year-old boy is the first fatal slide within the boundaries of a Utah resort in at least 20 years, Gordon said.

"It's such an incredibly rare event," he said.

The cause of the slide is still unknown, according to resort spokeswoman Elizabeth Dowd.

"Determining where or when an avalanche is going to slide is extremely hard to predict and a very difficult job," Dowd wrote in an e-mail. "The cause of an avalanche is equally as difficult to determine and this case is still under review."

Early Saturday, staff at The Canyons detonated 170 pounds of explosives on the area around Ninety-Nine 90 mountain. Skiers used the double-black diamond, "expert only" Red Pine Chutes all day Saturday and Sunday morning, Dowd said.

Williams and the child were skiing the Chutes at 11 a.m. on Sunday when the slide tore loose. It was 125 feet wide, up to 5 feet deep and ran for 500 feet down the mountain.

Williams was uncovered 10 minutes later and died at the scene, according to a press statement by Dowd.

The boy, who had been skiing with his father, spent about a half hour under the snow before he was found and taken to Primary Children's Medical Center. He was in critical but stable condition and had not regained consciousness Monday morning, Summit County sheriff's deputies said. Authorities would not identify the boy.

Jesse Williams was an experienced skier who was part of the Powder Mountain Ski Patrol outside of Grand Junction, said his brother, Justin Williams, of Herriman. Jesse Williams learned to ski when he was 5 years old, his brother said. Williams was skiing with his best friend when he saw the avalanche coming and yelled at his friend to get out of the way, Justin Williams said.

"He knew enough to warn his best friend the avalanche was coming," said Williams.

Jesse Williams was also an avid mountain biker and loved sailing, his brother said.

Justin Williams said his brother's death is particularly hard because the family lost their father in April.

Williams, his wife, Gina, and 2-year-old daughter Keely were visiting family in Park City for the holidays, said his father-in-law, Jim Coe, of Park City.

"He was a good husband and a great father," said Coe.

Williams, who worked as an aircraft mechanic, had lived with his family in Grand Junction for five years.

Funeral arrangements are set at Larkin Mortuary, 260 East South Temple, in Salt Lake City, at noon on Saturday. A memorial fund is being established at Zions Bank.

Williams' death is the second at The Canyons Resort this month. Jason Coles, 36, of Park City, died Dec. 17 after he hit a tree while skiing at the resort. Dowd said the avalanche likely will not deter holiday skiers, many of whom planned their vacations long ago.

"Utah is legendary for having some of the greatest avalanche rescue units and snow safety and ski patrol units in the world; many of them work for us at The Canyons," she said.

ealberty@sltrib.com
 
Holy shit so sad. I belive it though. 99-90 is all steep terrain and it seems every time i look at a radar the wasatch is getting puked on latley. That is a big rip...175 ft wide? I can guess what happened...someone probably triggered it on the somewhere on the peak above the lift and it carried on from there. scary stuff. People need to understand that skiing is an inherently dangerous sport and even with all the precautions and control work, stuff like this can still happen and its a risk that the skier assumes but I have a feeling there will be a lawsuit.

For anyone that dosent get the inbounds out of bounds part. The lift empties is like 100 yrds or so from the top of the peak but there is a boot pack up to the top and to the other side. it is easy to access the BC there but it is clearly marked....with skulls and crossbones actually. I the slide there a couple years ago that killed like 5 people was in the BC
 
it was inbounds and the canyons said they had done all sorts of avy control in that area earlier that day but still things happen
 
Seems like the dude was a hero though. Check this news article....

ALT LAKE CITY -- [/b]A Colorado man caught in a

deadly avalanche in Utah spent the last seconds of his life trying to

warn a friend about the shifting snow. Jesse R.Williams, 30, of Grand Junction was killed Sunday in an avalanche at The Canyons Resort in Park City, Utah.

His brother, Justin, told the Salt Lake Tribune that Jesse suddenly

yelled at a friend to get out of the way when he saw the snow begin to

slide.

An avalanche at about 11 a.m. Sunday buried Jesse Williams moments later. Ski Patrol members reached Williams quickly after the avalanche, but he was soon described as unresponsive. A boy critically hurt in the slide, Max Zilvitis, 11, was released from a hospital Wednesday
 
Why don't they have a professional do daily checks on the mountain and correctly mark off the areas that are still inbounds that have a chance of sliding...it would cost a pretty penny but at least it wouldn't cost another life
 
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