Attention Canada: You are being assimilated.

IcePointa

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And your government hasn't even bother to tell you about it.

...not that anyone will do anything to stop it anyways.

Welcome to the North American Union.

"Canada and the U.S. have signed an agreement that paves the way for the militaries from either nation to send troops across each other's borders during an emergency, but some are questioning why the Harper government has kept silent on the deal.

Neither the Canadian government nor the Canadian Forces announced the new agreement, which was signed Feb. 14 in Texas. The U.S. military's Northern Command, however, publicized the agreement with a statement outlining how its top officer, Gen. Gene Renuart, and Canadian Lt.-Gen. Marc Dumais, head of Canada Command, signed the plan, which allows the military from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation during a civil emergency.

The new agreement has been greeted with suspicion by the left wing in Canada and the right wing in the U.S.

The left-leaning Council of Canadians, which is campaigning against what it calls the increasing integration of the U.S. and Canadian militaries, is raising concerns about the deal.

"It's kind of a trend when it comes to issues of Canada-U.S. relations and contentious issues like military integration. We see that this government is reluctant to disclose information to Canadians that is readily available on American and Mexican websites," said Stuart Trew, a researcher with the Council of Canadians.

Trew said there is potential for the agreement to militarize civilian responses to emergency incidents. He noted that work is also underway for the two nations to put in place a joint plan to protect common infrastructure such as roadways and oil pipelines.

"Are we going to see [U.S.] troops on our soil for minor potential threats to a pipeline or a road?" he asked.

Trew also noted the U.S. military does not allow its soldiers to operate under foreign command so there are questions about who controls American forces if they are requested for service in Canada. "We don't know the answers because the government doesn't want to even announce the plan," he said.

But Canada Command spokesman Commander David Scanlon said it will be up to civilian authorities in both countries on whether military assistance is requested or even used.

He said the agreement is "benign" and simply sets the stage for military-to-military co-operation if the governments approve.

"But there's no agreement to allow troops to come in," he said. "It facilitates planning and co-ordination between the two militaries. The ‘allow' piece is entirely up to the two governments."

If U.S. forces were to come into Canada they would be under tactical control of the Canadian Forces but still under the command of the U.S. military, Scanlon added.

News of the deal, and the allegation it was kept secret in Canada, is already making the rounds on left-wing blogs and Internet sites as an example of the dangers of the growing integration between the two militaries.

On right-wing blogs in the U.S., it is being used as evidence of a plan for a "North American union" where foreign troops, not bound by U.S. laws, could be used by the American federal government to override local authorities.

"Co-operative militaries on Home Soil!" notes one Web site. "The next time your town has a ‘national emergency,' don't be surprised if Canadian soldiers respond. And remember -- Canadian military aren't bound by posse comitatus."

Posse comitatus is a U.S. law that prohibits the use of federal troops from conducting law enforcement duties on domestic soil unless approved by Congress.

Scanlon said there was no intent to keep the agreement secret on the Canadian side of the border. He noted it will be reported on in the Canadian Forces newspaper next week and that publication will be put on the Internet.

Scanlon said the actual agreement hasn't been released to the public as that requires approval from both nations. That decision has not yet been taken, he added."Ottawa Citizen

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/story.html?id=327869
 
meh I'd rather have american troops easily transported across our border in a time of crisis than otherwise if it was necessary.
 
why don't we just all join together and become a super country? I mean, we have very similar cultural values (see the hofstede dimensions) and we both have resources that we could offer to each other. We could be the worlds largest and most dominant nation. We could turn a blind eye to China and tell them to bring it on.

One prerequisite, lets leave Quebec to be its own country. The French are notorious losers with low work ethic who would do little but lessen our great new nation.
 


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Stupid zeitgeist bullshit, there is not north american union. Don't even waste your time typing shit out or posting links, i dont read it.
 
no one really cares what you think.

personally this doesn't really affect me. so the leftist little girls up here don't like it...i don't care. the NDP and Liberals can all eat a dick as they run from everything with their tails between their legs. at the end of the day im canadian and nothing is going to change that.

what constitutes a civil emergency? if we're talking some kind of major disaster strikes and we send troops to assist and vice versa, what's the big deal? what's so wrong with two major trading partners helping each other out.

 
^ Remember how during Hurricane Katrina, National Guardsmen from other states could not enter Louisiana without a formal request from the Governor?

 
I hope you get raped you racist bastard. I have never seen such ignorence....oh wait this is getting to become a trend with people like you.

Join millitary action sounds cool but it is wrong. I dont want to see american soldiers controled by their own govenment on Canada soil. We can sustain ourselves, we dont need americans invading us.

 
Thanks, but this really doesn't have anything to do with what I think, it has to do with national policy. I had hardly offered any opinion on the matter whatsoever.

Congratulations on trying to turn this into a partisan issue. The funny thing is that you think its the liberals that are upset about this, and the article presented said that it was largely right-wing bloggers.

A civil emergency constitutes any goddamn thing they want it to. It could be a protest that someone thinks got out of hand in Vancouver or Seattle, and they could send in foreign troops to quell any dissent. Or it could be a fire at a fucking McDonalds.
 
Right, so show me the limitations and conditions on the declaration of a civil emergency allowing for foreign troops to come into one nation or the other to assume military control over the population.
 
Just remember, Quebec has one worthwhile resource that any north american union can exclude at its peril:

Newschoolers.com.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned you easties can go fuck yourselves, if there's going to be a supercountry it'll be BC, AB, WA, OR, CA, NV and CO. Oil, Hydro, and Hollywood.
 
You might as well throw Wyoming too. They're a freebie because nobody lives there. They have lots of open space, wind farms, Jackson Hole, plus you can buy big ass fireworks year round.
 
If there were further limitations specified in the agreement they would have been made well known to ease concerns. The one solid limitation is merely that both governments agree to the presence of troops, differentiating this scenario from an invasion. There are examples in what types of situations it could apply, like "floods, forest fires, hurricanes, earthquakes and

effects of a TERRORIST ATTACK." (Air Force Gen. Gene Renuart, Northern Command) But they in no way suggest that it would be limited to any particular situation besides what both sides agree is a "civil emergency". So yes, they can look at any situation, and if they feel the need send in foreign troops to assume control.

Basically this agreement makes it possible to institute martial law on the population of either nation with the military of the other, if the host military is not able OR WILLING to do it.

You saw what happened in Hurricane Katrina. The military's primary role in a "civil emergency" is to assume control, maintain order by force, and protect the assets of the rich. Not humanitarian efforts like they would have you believe in this agreement.
 
having foreign troops come onto our soil because we aren't willing to do something about our own citizens is a ridiculous. it will never come to that point no matter how much you think it will.

the idea of foreign troops controlling the population of either country will never be realized.

the canadian government has called in the military into toronto because of a bad storm to perform humanitarian aid. what do you think the national guard is for as well? to provide help. they only came to katrina with weapons to protect themselves from the degenerates who were looting and taking pot shots at paramedics. they were simply acting as the police force that couldn't do its job.

just take your cynical views and your contempt for any form of government elsewhere.

you think you're doing a service by enlightening us to the injustices of our governments, but really its just annoying.

the worst part about you is that you think your views are infallible.
 
THEN WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY SEND FOREIGN TROOPS?

You can believe what you want, but the whole point of sending military force into a civil emergency is to control the population. In the US we have different agencies that are responsible for the humanitarian effort.

To answer your question, the National Guard is the reserve component of the Army or Air Force.

oh and,

"they were simply acting as the police force that couldn't do its job."

THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF MARTIAL LAW (military assuming control of law enforcement duties)

I don't think that my opinions on this matter are infallible, but I don't see any good evidence to suggest otherwise.

This thread alerted a few people to the fact that foreign troops can now be used to help institute martial law against them. That is a fact. I would love to be proven wrong on this point.



If you think these threads are annoying, I have a solution for you...

DON'T CLICK ON THEM, AND SURE AS HELL DON'T BOTHER TO REPLY.
 
our government has kind of a reputation of not really announcing shit publicly. its not really like in USA where everything is broadcasted across tv. everyone just kinda does there own thing.

and i dont really get what you mean by were being assimilated considering doesnt that mean that you are forcing us to take part in your culture and beleifs? or am i thinking of something else.

from what ive read, most of your posts are pretty cynical and you seem to be a little bit out of balence. so im gunna take everything you say with a grain of salt.
 
Well I would say that's a good idea since we could use Wyoming as a giant landfill, but we already have the Nevada desert for that.
 
When I say they're being assimilated I mean that they're gradually becoming closer to one fuctional unit, like the European Union.

I agree that my threads and posts on government/societal issues are cynical (and I make alot of them), and thats a reflection of what I see happening in those areas. Otherwise I'm really not, I just don't tend to make threads about how I went camping last weekend and found a killer trad route on a friend's property thats probably never been climbed before. Maybe I should, but, while mostly unpleasant and confusing, these global issues have alot more important relavence for people. I did make a thread about a cat a week or two ago though, lol.

It's good to take everything someone says with a grain of salt and check things out for yourself though.

Also, my point in making these kind of threads isn't fear-mongering, like someone suggested earlier. I want people to get pissed of at what our governments have been trying to pull over on us recently. Maybe someone will see something and mention it to their parents or friends and people will generally become more aware of whats going on.

Imagine if there was internet access in Nazi Germany. People around the world being aware of what's going on would have made it alot harder to get away with what they did for so long.
 
Dude we'll all be so rich everyone will have a lear jet. Until we invent the teleporter and become even richer.

Want to come for a swim in my money pool?
 
You can keep your beer and cheese. Canada has supperior beer and tilamook (sp) oregon has mightier cheeses.
 
Not everybody is like that in quebec. Its just a way people see us because some. Personnaly I hate this people that think we're all like that. Plus if were not in the Super-country youre losing the largest hydro-electricity producers in the world so we must be in
 
I'm pretty sure its just for major disasters. If something the size of Katrina happens on either side where not enough help is available, then either country is allowed to come in and assist. For example, if there was a huge wildfire that was seriously kicking ass, then they could probably bring in support to help. I'm personally all for it. Most of the time the disasters are small enough to be covered by their own nation, hardly any situations arise to the size of Katrina. Even then, the cooperation between the countries is good, it strengthens our ties with each other. Even if the people from canadia say "Eh" alot. :)
 
have it your way, but you know you are cutting out americas dairyland, plus beers like Pabst, Miller, leinenkugels, and spotted cow. Plus harley davidson if you are into that
 
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