As Men, We Need To Be Supportive of Female Progression - A Rant

[danbrown]

understatement

true

 

[snophie]

less drama, more skiing.

Agreed.

 

[KtGo]

When I first saw this thread I knew I would inevitably spend the better half of my day arguing. When I saw the above quoted response I was originally mad, then confused, and now I am just feeling empowered. Most of you will probably never bother to read this, and that's ok. I am two weeks into a month long stay in Japan, and somewhere in the middle of this rant, I went out and storm skied overhead pow. If that doesn't make you mad, I'm sure the words below will.

1. Women have everything they want and more than men

"Women" is not a universal term. Women being women in the U.S.? Women in the snow sports industry? Women in the world? False on all accounts. Since the beginning of western civilization, women have been viewed as lesser versions of men (thanks Plato & Aristotle). There are thousands of statistics I could cite here regarding the socioeconomic status of women around the world and in the U.S. I can say from firsthand experience that women do not face the same amount of opportunity within the ski industry as men do. Society subtly discourages female athleticism constantly. For example, women are depicted in athletic advertisements a measly 12% of the time, and 81% of those ads are sexually suggestive, displaying no athletic competency. What sort of message does that send to people about women? It certainly suggests that athleticism is not a valued feminine trait. The OP mentioned Title IX, a law that prohibits federally funded institutions from discriminating on the basis of sex in any of its programs, including sporting activities. Eighty to ninety percent of these institutions are still not in compliance with Title IX as it applies to athletics, and yet they face no consequence. To pretend that anywhere in the world we are "post-sexism" is absolutely fucking nuts. Male privilege is a very real, very scary thing. The same way white privilege is. Acknowledging privilege requires that you recognize that not all of what you have has been earned, and that's fucking uncomfortable for people. I get it. The U.S. is a highly individualized country and we like to pretend that everyone faces equal opportunity and it is vastly unrealistic. For more interesting reading on privilege, you should check out Peggy McIntosh's super famous article, "White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack."

2. Why should we encourage them? Can't they do that? Why do we need to cheer women on?

We don't want to be coddled, sorry for the misunderstanding. Believe me, the last thing we want is praise from an ass hat like you. It's not about wanting or needing cheerleaders. We don't need you to carry us on your shoulders; just don't shove us on the ground and kick dust in our faces. For example, "Women pros are SHIT." What if I told you that everything you care about and love and work tirelessly for was absolute shit? That's not constructive. I know most of the individuals on this website don't intentionally work to stifle women's skiing. In the broader sports-media-commercial complex, there is a real systemic marginalization of women athletes. And it's not just men who participate in this marginalization, it's women too. There are many professional athletes, both men and women, who have acknowledged this and have written about it. If you have a real interest in educating yourself on the matter read some Michael Messner.

3. They all suck because they're allowed to suck and make money even though they suck

Suck relative to men? Yeah, sure. You can't ignore biological differences. But the gap is closing within elite athletics. Women's swimming and running world records are about where men's were in the 1960's, and we're improving at a much faster rate. Skiing is a very different sport, however. The risk of injury is drastically higher, and having more active testosterone is a huge advantage in adrenaline sports. Regardless, what money are you talking about? Sure, the highest profile female athletes in our sport may have contracts with a small cash stipend but I guarantee you it is NOT livable. This is also true for many male athletes in marginal sports like skiing. Whether you think they suck or not, women are working full time to get good competition results and garner attention for their sponsors, and they deserve actual salaries. Outside of skiing, full-time female athletes routinely make way less money than their male counterparts. This disparity is much worse in the U.S. than it is in other countries around the world.

3. they think being criticized is an affront on the female gender

As the OP said, criticism is welcomed when it has value. But most criticism against female skiing has no ground in fact. This thread contains some of the first factual points I have seen in the "women's skiing sucks" argument. In any case, as someone who studies gender and sport and skis full time, it is hard not to read something like this and take it personally. Valid criticism is not an affront on the female gender, but systemic discouragement is. I don't expect you to be able to understand the difference because you haven't experienced it. But know that oppression is very rarely noticed and addressed by the oppressor.

4. stick up for them while being desperate virgins

Feminism is not a "women's issue." Equalizing the socioeconomic status of men and women worldwide would benefit everyone, not just women. Giving women power does not necessitate taking it away from men, that is a grossly oversimplified view. I can't speak to the OP's sexual history, but he seems significantly less angry and insecure than you, which would suggest he has more sex. Anyways.

From here on out, I am only going to pick on your points that I disagree with. Some of the facts you stated are true, but I don't see how they work to serve your argument.

5. They are believed much more than males in any sexual crime case, in any case to be honest.

Typically I believe you are correct that women are given the benefit of the doubt in most sexual crime cases. Although, I really haven't done the research to say that with utmost confidence. Either way, the statistics regarding the amount of sexual violence incidents that go unreported is stifling. Rape is one of the most psychologically torturous events that a person can become victim to, in addition to the actual physical trauma. I don't believe that women are believed more frequently than men in general court cases. I think it is highly dependent on the audience, or the jury. Your other points regarding the legal system are some examples of ways that some men have been wronged by judicial proceedings, and I won't argue with them. Although, I would like to see some numbers to make your claims more convincing.

6. Women can be fat, ugly slobs and we have to put up with it because "muh media pressure".

Women come in a variety of different shapes and sizes. You don't have to like them all. Remember - our purpose isn't actually to make your eyes happy. You don't have to put up with anything, so I suggest you divorce your fat wife who obviously stopped having sex with you years ago. This "media pressure" is an increasing problem for men too. For more information of the subject, Jean Kilbourne has a series of documentaries that reveal her years of study on body image and the media. She is also really funny, so that's cool.

7. 100+ babies every year in the USA die from circumcision, yet there is worldwide law against FGM.

There is no worldwide law against FGM. Countries with laws or regulations against FGM include Burkina Faso, Central African Republic, Djibouti, Ghana, Great Britain, Guinea, Sudan, Sweden, and the United States. Existing laws against assault and child abuse cover FGM in Canada, France, and the United Kingdom. Most local legislation regarding FGM is ignored because it is a practice deeply rooted in the culture of many countries in the Global South. The custom has killed hundreds of thousands of women throughout the course of history. From the PATH website,

"The highest maternal and infant mortality rates are in FGM-practicing regions. The actual number of girls who die as a result of FGM is not known. However, in areas in the Sudan where antibiotics are not available, it is estimated that one-third of the girls undergoing FGM will die. Conservative estimates suggest that more than one million women in Centrafrican Republic (CAR), Egypt, and Eritrea, the only countries where such data is available, experienced adverse health effects from FGM. One quarter of women in CAR and 1/5 of women in Eritrea reported FGM-related complications. Where medical facilities are ill-equipped, emergencies arising from the practice cannot be treated. Thus, a child who develops uncontrolled bleeding or infection after FGM may die within hours."

Circumcision is an unnecessary surgery that is proven to be more dangerous than many originally thought. However, it differs from FGM on a number of points. Firstly, it is not specifically designed to prevent men from enjoying sex. That is one of the main goals of FGM. Additionally, circumcisions are typically done in regions with much more affluent healthcare, so the risks and pain associated with it are much less severe.

8. Women are positively discriminated against and will make it up ranks without being any good.

Reverse discrimination - which is the term I believe you are reaching for here, is certainly a factor in many western countries today. Affirmative action policies have had an unclear effect on the opportunities facing both men and women. But to say that undeserving women will make it up the ranks without being any good is not true in many instances. There are many deserving, qualified women who have benefitted from affirmative action programs. I am sure there are also some women who have taken advantage of them and as a result, are not deserving. However, women still face countless barriers in some industries and job positions. For example, an overwhelming majority of board directors around the world are male. There are plenty of qualified, experienced women available for these types of jobs, but they are often passed up simply because they are women, and the selection committee sees them as unworthy or not experienced enough.

9. The pay gap is due to women's choices in career. Not some evil force made by men.

I don't think you quite understand the wage gap. Women in the same job position as their male counterparts, doing the exact same work, are receiving less compensation. Women and men often pursue different careers, but why is it that those pursued by women historically receive less compensation? It is not because their work is less valuable to society or requires less education. Careers are compensated differently because jobs are associated with different genders.

10. The male is seen as disposable. Females are seen as human.

Is that why the human race is often referred to as "man?" Men are not viewed as disposable. Across the world, young boys are much more likely to receive an education than young girls, because they indeed are valued more highly in many countries. As I said before, the underlying philosophy of western culture contained the words "women are but lesser men." The implications of that statement are visible everywhere in society. You may not see it; and I guarantee it will be more pleasant for you to go on without seeing it. Once you experience the disparity, it will bother you. There is a Nobel prize winning book you should check out called, "Half the Sky." If you read that book and still agree with your statements above, I'll be surprised.

11. Do you really think men have it better in India or Afghanistan? It's a shit world out there, and guess what, women aren't the only victims

True! And if you knew anything about feminism you would know it is the study of how all types of discrimination serve systems of privilege and oppression. There are currently many oppressed men. No feminist will argue that. Feminist activism serves to disband systems of privilege and oppression, including those that negatively impact men.

So, while I can't speak for any other women, I will speak for myself when I say from the bottom of my heart;

You shut your mouth when you're talking to me.

Al Sharpton for president ya'll, I'm out.

YAASSSSSS GIRL!!

 

[ESB]

Why do we have to hugbox women? Why can't they see negative comments?

OP, I bet you're a beta male feminist. Women have everything they want and more than men, and their pro level in skiing is shockingly bad. Why should we encourage them? Can't they do that? Why do we need to cheer women on? No-one cheers Goepper on, NS shits on him, yet he slays. He doesn't need someone telling him "you go girl yay feminism" in the background.

Women pros are SHIT. I can't think of one that could rival a male "pro". They all suck because they're allowed to suck and make money even though they suck. The modern woman is entitled and is so princessy from daddy, they think being criticized is an affront on the female gender, and their beta orbiters like you OP, stick up for them while being desperate virgins.

Women are not included in a military draft. They don't have to go to war if called upon.

They are believed much more than males in any sexual crime case, in any case to be honest.

There are millions of fathers that can't see their children in the USA and UK because they think women are better carers.

Rape in many countries is defined, like in Switzerland, forceable intercourse with a WOMAN. If you're a man, it's just assault.

There are men paying child support for children that aren't theirs.

Women can be fat, ugly slobs and we have to put up with it because "muh media pressure".

100+ babies every year in the USA die from circumcision, yet there is worldwide law against FGM.

Women are positively discriminated against and will make it up ranks without being any good.

The pay gap is due to women's choices in career. Not some evil force made by men.

More than 100 boys killed by Boko Haram before those girls were kidnapped, yet no media coverage.

The male is seen as disposable. Females are seen as human. Why all the things "women and children first"?

Feminism is a cancer on the west and the world (do you really think men have it better in India or Afghanistan? It's a shit world out there, and guess what, women aren't the only victims), and you OP, are a huge whiteknight beta male. Enjoy being a huge cuck.

On a side note, women have enough support already. If they want more, they can do it themselves. I can't wait for Kelly Sildaru to run the game in a couple of years.

You have no clue what you're talking about. Your ill-informed, misogynistic rant has no bearing on the topic of this thread.

 

[ESB]

@huckcliffs: High five. I think you've got it spot on.

 

[Mingg]

This thread killed my stoke. I look up to a lot of the girls mentioned and I think they kill it. They have worked hard as fuck to get to where they are and to shoot them down because they don't compare to men is fucking dumb.

Cool, girls are throwing triples in aerials. Do you know how unestablished girls freeskiing is compared to that? No girls want to ski park. And to be honest I don't blame them. When I was learning a couple years ago I got so much shit for it. Why would a girl want to put herself in such a shitty situation to try somethig she doesn't know if she's gonna like?

Same thing goes with filming. Knowing there's so much hate, why would a girl(not am/pro level) put out an edit? I've wanted to film for my own edit for a long time but I know for a fact anything I put on Ns is gonna get downvoted and hated on to shit so it's not even worth the effort.

I can get past bad vibes in park and ride with my crew but a lot of girls can't and don't even want to try because of that. That may or may not effect stuff at the pro level. But I know for a fact at a local non competitive level it turns girls away so fast that there isn't even a chance for them.

I'm not saying it should be easier for girls, but it's not as easily accepted to be a girl skier so to see girls like maggie, maude, Brooke, Katrina and kelly push through that and get to where they are. That shit is fucking awesome to me and I respect them all so much for that.

 

[casual]

This thread killed my stoke. I look up to a lot of the girls mentioned and I think they kill it. They have worked hard as fuck to get to where they are and to shoot them down because they don't compare to men is fucking dumb.

Cool, girls are throwing triples in aerials. Do you know how unestablished girls freeskiing is compared to that? No girls want to ski park. And to be honest I don't blame them. When I was learning a couple years ago I got so much shit for it. Why would a girl want to put herself in such a shitty situation to try somethig she doesn't know if she's gonna like?

Same thing goes with filming. Knowing there's so much hate, why would a girl(not am/pro level) put out an edit? I've wanted to film for my own edit for a long time but I know for a fact anything I put on Ns is gonna get downvoted and hated on to shit so it's not even worth the effort.

I can get past bad vibes in park and ride with my crew but a lot of girls can't and don't even want to try because of that. That may or may not effect stuff at the pro level. But I know for a fact at a local non competitive level it turns girls away so fast that there isn't even a chance for them.

I'm not saying it should be easier for girls, but it's not as easily accepted to be a girl skier so to see girls like maggie, maude, Brooke, Katrina and kelly push through that and get to where they are. That shit is fucking awesome to me and I respect them all so much for that.

This isn't a WOMENS issue. Do you click on SG? Why is that every time I click on SG, there's another CHILD (always male) talking about the bad vibes they get at the park, and the attitude of the other skiers and how unwelcoming they are. It's called insecurity and an obsession with what other people think!! And, in this self-obsessed, "my life is a performance to be measured against others on social media" world, there is so much over sensitivity to perceived "rejection", and everyone wants to feel outraged and victimized. Do you really expect me to believe that if a person is in love with a sport or activity, they are going to be dissuaded because someone yelled something from the chairlift? If that's so, there's 0.0% chance that that person has the fortitude, desire, dedication, and mental toughness to reach a level of ski proficiency approaching "professional".

So what the fuck are we even talking about?! The only reason that women's freeskiing isn't "respected, supported, etc.", is because there's just SO FEW WOMEN WHO ARE INTERESTED IN BECOMING PARK SKIERS!. I work and ski with RIPPING female skiers, and none of them choose to ski park because they aren't interested in it. Who the fuck cares? Guess what...there's not as many women parkour athletes as there are men, and the women that are there aren't as good as the men. Big fucking deal.

The problem comes into play when people get bent out of shape about what other people choose to consume. If I personally don't enjoy watching women's comps, or women's edits, etc., too fucking bad. That's not me being sexist, that's me deciding that I want to watch people do things on skis that I find impressive.

Even in your post, Minng....you talk about wanting to make an edit and you being scared it'll get hated on. You think many of the guys that produce edits don't worry about the exact same thing? That leads to the real issue....why do you need to be recognized for your skiing? 10 years ago, no one filmed themselves doing what they do for fun. The act of doing was good enough, because the inherent rewards of pushing yourself in skiing and sharing those moments either with friends or alone is what's addictive about it.

Did you watch the men's competitions at X? How many new tricks did we see? Or new attempts? How many horrific crashes were there that resulted from an athlete pushing way outside their own comfort zones and attempting to stand out? Watching Big Air was like watching a megamo car accident because those guys were pushing themselves so far. That's what the general public would like to see in any sport: The limits. People don't watch documentaries about climbing a typical CO 14er, right? That'd be boring and anti-climactic. They watch documentaries about Annapurna and K2, because people die, and because it's a seemingly miraculous achievement.

I could go on and on.

It just bums me out because this idea of receiving compensation, media attention, for HAVING FUN ON SKIS etc. is BRAND NEW and really has nothing to do with skiing. It just seems to me that so many people are motivated by external attention and validation instead of the intrinsic rewards of skiing and improving. When there are a bunch of girls addicted to the feeling of learning new tricks, going bigger, and going faster, women's skiing will explode. It's happening to a degree now with some really talented and promising young women skiers coming up, but there is still a huge contingent of both men and women who are more consumed with the reaction to their skiing, than they are to what they actually enjoy about skiing.

 

[casual]

"This thread killed my stoke."

That says it all.

If that's true, and you didn't just say it for theatrics, then your stoke didn't exist in the first place. Guess what? You can close your laptop, go out and ski and do that completely independently of "the industry", or "the state of women's skiing". You are just one person sliding around on snow with wood and metal and plastic attached to your feet. You're not curing cancer, and you're not Harriet Tubman, and you're not even some hippie with a women's suffrage poster. You're just skiing. If you can't connect with what is so damn fun and amazing about skiing because you're so distracted by equal pay and showcase for women's skiing at X games, you're just doing it wrong.

 

[S.M.G]

Same thing goes with filming. Knowing there's so much hate, why would a girl(not am/pro level) put out an edit? I've wanted to film for my own edit for a long time but I know for a fact anything I put on Ns is gonna get downvoted and hated on to shit so it's not even worth the effort.

Sorry for the double post, I fucked up the quote...

Who cares? I wish I had a camera, I would put out edits every week. I'm trying to film this weekend, actually. Get over the insecurity and get some exposure, not only for yourself but for young girls. They need edits to watch, female skiers to look up to, and some damn motivation to get in the park.

It's YOUR attitude that keeps girls out of the park. Stop whining about the pressure, we all feel it. You're just proving the point of every misogynist in here. If you let the insecurity get to you, they win, and women's skiing will still suck.

How are men supposed to support us when we don't even support ourselves?

 

[Mingg]

^^ the point I was trying to make is that it isn't a welcoming sport for girls and because of that many girls don't even try. So it makes sense why the sport hasn't progressed so much. It's hard to push yourself when you don't have someone to like work off of.

I agree with you on the skiing for yourself part. I mostly do but when people talk a lot about the lack of progression in women's skiing it's easy to get caught up and think you should be doing better. Even if it's not really concerning you. Idk I'm concussed and probably don't make sense. I'm sorry.

 

[S.M.G]

^^ the point I was trying to make is that it isn't a welcoming sport for girls and because of that many girls don't even try. So it makes sense why the sport hasn't progressed so much. It's hard to push yourself when you don't have someone to like work off of.

I agree with you on the skiing for yourself part. I mostly do but when people talk a lot about the lack of progression in women's skiing it's easy to get caught up and think you should be doing better. Even if it's not really concerning you. Idk I'm concussed and probably don't make sense. I'm sorry.

SO BE THE GIRL THAT TRIES!!! STOP WHINING AND BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE....fucking typical. Even at the end you blame it on a concussion. Take some responsibility for yourself Mingg, jesus christ

 

[Mingg]

Sorry for the double post, I fucked up the quote...

Who cares? I wish I had a camera, I would put out edits every week. I'm trying to film this weekend, actually. Get over the insecurity and get some exposure, not only for yourself but for young girls. They need edits to watch, female skiers to look up to, and some damn motivation to get in the park.

It's YOUR attitude that keeps girls out of the park. Stop whining about the pressure, we all feel it. You're just proving the point of every misogynist in here. If you let the insecurity get to you, they win, and women's skiing will still suck.

How are men supposed to support us when we don't even support ourselves?

SO BE THE GIRL THAT TRIES!!! STOP WHINING AND BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE....fucking typical. Even at the end you blame it on a concussion. Take some responsibility for yourself Mingg, jesus christ

I wasn't referring to myself in most of those posts. I got over that stuff a while ago. I've been working with a local company on shit like this. We've been trying to introduce girl skiers and snowboarders to park and the same things hold them back and thats what I was talking about in my posts. Thats the stuff that holds them back and i'm assuming a lot of other girls alike.

Also i'm talking about right now. Getting a girl interested right now is hard. There needs to be more content produced to show girls that they can ride park which we(at the company) aren't able to do at the moment. It's gonna take some time to really have an influence on anything around here but were working on it.

 

[Mingg]

"This thread killed my stoke."

That says it all.

If that's true, and you didn't just say it for theatrics, then your stoke didn't exist in the first place. Guess what? You can close your laptop, go out and ski and do that completely independently of "the industry", or "the state of women's skiing". You are just one person sliding around on snow with wood and metal and plastic attached to your feet. You're not curing cancer, and you're not Harriet Tubman, and you're not even some hippie with a women's suffrage poster. You're just skiing. If you can't connect with what is so damn fun and amazing about skiing because you're so distracted by equal pay and showcase for women's skiing at X games, you're just doing it wrong.

Not my stoke for skiing. my stoke for the girls out there putting out sick content who are getting hated on in this thread. I agree we haven't progressed like guys have but these girls are still rad as fuck and are the best girl skiers in the world. I don't know but I have mad respect for them.

I also never said anything about pay and actually don't really care about that at all.

 

[juliatheskier]

When I first saw this thread I knew I would inevitably spend the better half of my day arguing. When I saw the above quoted response I was originally mad, then confused, and now I am just feeling empowered. Most of you will probably never bother to read this, and that's ok. I am two weeks into a month long stay in Japan, and somewhere in the middle of this rant, I went out and storm skied overhead pow. If that doesn't make you mad, I'm sure the words below will.

1. Women have everything they want and more than men

"Women" is not a universal term. Women being women in the U.S.? Women in the snow sports industry? Women in the world? False on all accounts. Since the beginning of western civilization, women have been viewed as lesser versions of men (thanks Plato & Aristotle). There are thousands of statistics I could cite here regarding the socioeconomic status of women around the world and in the U.S. I can say from firsthand experience that women do not face the same amount of opportunity within the ski industry as men do. Society subtly discourages female athleticism constantly. For example, women are depicted in athletic advertisements a measly 12% of the time, and 81% of those ads are sexually suggestive, displaying no athletic competency. What sort of message does that send to people about women? It certainly suggests that athleticism is not a valued feminine trait. The OP mentioned Title IX, a law that prohibits federally funded institutions from discriminating on the basis of sex in any of its programs, including sporting activities. Eighty to ninety percent of these institutions are still not in compliance with Title IX as it applies to athletics, and yet they face no consequence. To pretend that anywhere in the world we are "post-sexism" is absolutely fucking nuts. Male privilege is a very real, very scary thing. The same way white privilege is. Acknowledging privilege requires that you recognize that not all of what you have has been earned, and that's fucking uncomfortable for people. I get it. The U.S. is a highly individualized country and we like to pretend that everyone faces equal opportunity and it is vastly unrealistic. For more interesting reading on privilege, you should check out Peggy McIntosh's super famous article, "White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack."

2. Why should we encourage them? Can't they do that? Why do we need to cheer women on?

We don't want to be coddled, sorry for the misunderstanding. Believe me, the last thing we want is praise from an ass hat like you. It's not about wanting or needing cheerleaders. We don't need you to carry us on your shoulders; just don't shove us on the ground and kick dust in our faces. For example, "Women pros are SHIT." What if I told you that everything you care about and love and work tirelessly for was absolute shit? That's not constructive. I know most of the individuals on this website don't intentionally work to stifle women's skiing. In the broader sports-media-commercial complex, there is a real systemic marginalization of women athletes. And it's not just men who participate in this marginalization, it's women too. There are many professional athletes, both men and women, who have acknowledged this and have written about it. If you have a real interest in educating yourself on the matter read some Michael Messner.

3. They all suck because they're allowed to suck and make money even though they suck

Suck relative to men? Yeah, sure. You can't ignore biological differences. But the gap is closing within elite athletics. Women's swimming and running world records are about where men's were in the 1960's, and we're improving at a much faster rate. Skiing is a very different sport, however. The risk of injury is drastically higher, and having more active testosterone is a huge advantage in adrenaline sports. Regardless, what money are you talking about? Sure, the highest profile female athletes in our sport may have contracts with a small cash stipend but I guarantee you it is NOT livable. This is also true for many male athletes in marginal sports like skiing. Whether you think they suck or not, women are working full time to get good competition results and garner attention for their sponsors, and they deserve actual salaries. Outside of skiing, full-time female athletes routinely make way less money than their male counterparts. This disparity is much worse in the U.S. than it is in other countries around the world.

3. they think being criticized is an affront on the female gender

As the OP said, criticism is welcomed when it has value. But most criticism against female skiing has no ground in fact. This thread contains some of the first factual points I have seen in the "women's skiing sucks" argument. In any case, as someone who studies gender and sport and skis full time, it is hard not to read something like this and take it personally. Valid criticism is not an affront on the female gender, but systemic discouragement is. I don't expect you to be able to understand the difference because you haven't experienced it. But know that oppression is very rarely noticed and addressed by the oppressor.

4. stick up for them while being desperate virgins

Feminism is not a "women's issue." Equalizing the socioeconomic status of men and women worldwide would benefit everyone, not just women. Giving women power does not necessitate taking it away from men, that is a grossly oversimplified view. I can't speak to the OP's sexual history, but he seems significantly less angry and insecure than you, which would suggest he has more sex. Anyways.

From here on out, I am only going to pick on your points that I disagree with. Some of the facts you stated are true, but I don't see how they work to serve your argument.

5. They are believed much more than males in any sexual crime case, in any case to be honest.

Typically I believe you are correct that women are given the benefit of the doubt in most sexual crime cases. Although, I really haven't done the research to say that with utmost confidence. Either way, the statistics regarding the amount of sexual violence incidents that go unreported is stifling. Rape is one of the most psychologically torturous events that a person can become victim to, in addition to the actual physical trauma. I don't believe that women are believed more frequently than men in general court cases. I think it is highly dependent on the audience, or the jury. Your other points regarding the legal system are some examples of ways that some men have been wronged by judicial proceedings, and I won't argue with them. Although, I would like to see some numbers to make your claims more convincing.

6. Women can be fat, ugly slobs and we have to put up with it because "muh media pressure".

Women come in a variety of different shapes and sizes. You don't have to like them all. Remember - our purpose isn't actually to make your eyes happy. You don't have to put up with anything, so I suggest you divorce your fat wife who obviously stopped having sex with you years ago. This "media pressure" is an increasing problem for men too. For more information of the subject, Jean Kilbourne has a series of documentaries that reveal her years of study on body image and the media. She is also really funny, so that's cool.

7. 100+ babies every year in the USA die from circumcision, yet there is worldwide law against FGM.

There is no worldwide law against FGM. Countries with laws or regulations against FGM include Burkina Faso, Central African Republic, Djibouti, Ghana, Great Britain, Guinea, Sudan, Sweden, and the United States. Existing laws against assault and child abuse cover FGM in Canada, France, and the United Kingdom. Most local legislation regarding FGM is ignored because it is a practice deeply rooted in the culture of many countries in the Global South. The custom has killed hundreds of thousands of women throughout the course of history. From the PATH website,

"The highest maternal and infant mortality rates are in FGM-practicing regions. The actual number of girls who die as a result of FGM is not known. However, in areas in the Sudan where antibiotics are not available, it is estimated that one-third of the girls undergoing FGM will die. Conservative estimates suggest that more than one million women in Centrafrican Republic (CAR), Egypt, and Eritrea, the only countries where such data is available, experienced adverse health effects from FGM. One quarter of women in CAR and 1/5 of women in Eritrea reported FGM-related complications. Where medical facilities are ill-equipped, emergencies arising from the practice cannot be treated. Thus, a child who develops uncontrolled bleeding or infection after FGM may die within hours."

Circumcision is an unnecessary surgery that is proven to be more dangerous than many originally thought. However, it differs from FGM on a number of points. Firstly, it is not specifically designed to prevent men from enjoying sex. That is one of the main goals of FGM. Additionally, circumcisions are typically done in regions with much more affluent healthcare, so the risks and pain associated with it are much less severe.

8. Women are positively discriminated against and will make it up ranks without being any good.

Reverse discrimination - which is the term I believe you are reaching for here, is certainly a factor in many western countries today. Affirmative action policies have had an unclear effect on the opportunities facing both men and women. But to say that undeserving women will make it up the ranks without being any good is not true in many instances. There are many deserving, qualified women who have benefitted from affirmative action programs. I am sure there are also some women who have taken advantage of them and as a result, are not deserving. However, women still face countless barriers in some industries and job positions. For example, an overwhelming majority of board directors around the world are male. There are plenty of qualified, experienced women available for these types of jobs, but they are often passed up simply because they are women, and the selection committee sees them as unworthy or not experienced enough.

9. The pay gap is due to women's choices in career. Not some evil force made by men.

I don't think you quite understand the wage gap. Women in the same job position as their male counterparts, doing the exact same work, are receiving less compensation. Women and men often pursue different careers, but why is it that those pursued by women historically receive less compensation? It is not because their work is less valuable to society or requires less education. Careers are compensated differently because jobs are associated with different genders.

10. The male is seen as disposable. Females are seen as human.

Is that why the human race is often referred to as "man?" Men are not viewed as disposable. Across the world, young boys are much more likely to receive an education than young girls, because they indeed are valued more highly in many countries. As I said before, the underlying philosophy of western culture contained the words "women are but lesser men." The implications of that statement are visible everywhere in society. You may not see it; and I guarantee it will be more pleasant for you to go on without seeing it. Once you experience the disparity, it will bother you. There is a Nobel prize winning book you should check out called, "Half the Sky." If you read that book and still agree with your statements above, I'll be surprised.

11. Do you really think men have it better in India or Afghanistan? It's a shit world out there, and guess what, women aren't the only victims

True! And if you knew anything about feminism you would know it is the study of how all types of discrimination serve systems of privilege and oppression. There are currently many oppressed men. No feminist will argue that. Feminist activism serves to disband systems of privilege and oppression, including those that negatively impact men.

So, while I can't speak for any other women, I will speak for myself when I say from the bottom of my heart;

You shut your mouth when you're talking to me.

Al Sharpton for president ya'll, I'm out.

you are truly wonderful

 

[Breaking_Rad]

Not my stoke for skiing. my stoke for the girls out there putting out sick content who are getting hated on in this thread. I agree we haven't progressed like guys have but these girls are still rad as fuck and are the best girl skiers in the world. I don't know but I have mad respect for them.

I also never said anything about pay and actually don't really care about that at all.

Is there really hate out there for girl content? I mean -emile- is always good for some fresh hate and then maybe the typical troll or two, but I just did a quick look out there at Katrina and Brookepotter and it seemed (minus a few downvotes) largely positive comments. I remember that Rap Game Katie Holmes edit and the girl from Crested Butte too and those were largely supportive. Skiing wasn't mind-blowing, but it was pretty solid overall.

Even if the skiing was not super, but the girl put it out there with a "hey, I'm learning and would love some feedback" I think the NS community is pretty supportive and helpful. In all the "need help with 270s" or "help with my backflip" it seems to be guy or girl.

If a person charges on here and says 'look at how awesome I am' and then really isn't that often I think that person would get shat on - guy or girl.

 

[katrina]

Is there really hate out there for girl content? I mean -emile- is always good for some fresh hate and then maybe the typical troll or two, but I just did a quick look out there at Katrina and Brookepotter and it seemed (minus a few downvotes) largely positive comments. I remember that Rap Game Katie Holmes edit and the girl from Crested Butte too and those were largely supportive. Skiing wasn't mind-blowing, but it was pretty solid overall.

Even if the skiing was not super, but the girl put it out there with a "hey, I'm learning and would love some feedback" I think the NS community is pretty supportive and helpful. In all the "need help with 270s" or "help with my backflip" it seems to be guy or girl.

If a person charges on here and says 'look at how awesome I am' and then really isn't that often I think that person would get shat on - guy or girl.

you should see what shit gets deleted lol, someone should make a thread of deleted girl video comments it would be hilarious / jaw dropping

 

[cobra_commander]

This thread killed my stoke. I look up to a lot of the girls mentioned and I think they kill it. They have worked hard as fuck to get to where they are and to shoot them down because they don't compare to men is fucking dumb.

No, it is not, welcome to equality. Sucks, don't it?

No one respects the WNBA because no one in it could compete in the NBA, same goes for Women's free skiing.

Your hurt feelings report is pretty much 100% why women have almost no chance of ever getting viewed on an equal platform to men. A handful of gals go out and earn some respect, and people might start thinking there is something there, and then someone like you opens her fucking whine hole and bitches all that respect away.

So if you want some special hand holding and accommodation, the grown ups will think about it; while you go make a fucking sandwich.

 

[broto]

This thread killed my stoke. I look up to a lot of the girls mentioned and I think they kill it. They have worked hard as fuck to get to where they are and to shoot them down because they don't compare to men is fucking dumb.

Cool, girls are throwing triples in aerials. Do you know how unestablished girls freeskiing is compared to that? No girls want to ski park. And to be honest I don't blame them. When I was learning a couple years ago I got so much shit for it. Why would a girl want to put herself in such a shitty situation to try somethig she doesn't know if she's gonna like?

Same thing goes with filming. Knowing there's so much hate, why would a girl(not am/pro level) put out an edit? I've wanted to film for my own edit for a long time but I know for a fact anything I put on Ns is gonna get downvoted and hated on to shit so it's not even worth the effort.

I can get past bad vibes in park and ride with my crew but a lot of girls can't and don't even want to try because of that. That may or may not effect stuff at the pro level. But I know for a fact at a local non competitive level it turns girls away so fast that there isn't even a chance for them.

I'm not saying it should be easier for girls, but it's not as easily accepted to be a girl skier so to see girls like maggie, maude, Brooke, Katrina and kelly push through that and get to where they are. That shit is fucking awesome to me and I respect them all so much for that.

i don't understand how some girls can think that the adverse comments and negative feedback applies only to females. if you think that's true, i encourage you to make an edit, tuck your hair into your jacket, and use a fake male name and an alias. post it as a male. the comments will most likely be more harsh than if you said you were female. 2 of my first 4 videos have more downvotes than upvotes, and the other 2 barely squeaked by. a ton of my old pictures are downvoted into the red. it made me want to go back out and ski and prove to these people that i can be better than that. so you don't want negative feedback? you want positive feedback? is the answer to give up and avoid it? should people have to give you positive feedback regardless of how good you are at skiing?

NO. the answer is to improve yourself until you get positive feedback. i guarantee you all of us have been there. get FUCKING PISSED OFF that someone questions your ability. you should want to show them that you don't suck. nobody flies out of the womb with a swift cork 7 blunt and stomps it onto the floor of the ICU.

adversity comes to everyone. pros, even. goepper and bobby brown are perfect examples. i admit, i didn't use to like goepper. i hated when he won whatever comp that was with an extremely sketchy sw dub 14. TONS of people shit on him for a season or two. and he just went out there and kept improving. there are plenty of other skiers i'd like to watch first, but goepper has improved drastically. i don't know how many people remember that people HATED when LSM won superunknown. "i could have done all those tricks" was a common theme; his entry was not technical at all. and look at him now.

casual is also spot on. regardless of what people tell you of your skiing and how other people think of it, think of why you got into skiing in the first place. was it not fun? i know for a fact that the first time i ventured into the park, i had never even really watched an edit. i had no park etiquette. even when i started to try to hit features, i'd get yelled at for hitting it wrong or being in the way. but i continued to do it because it was fun and it gave me an adrenaline rush that i hadn't ever had before. hate is an integral part of rising up the ranks of any new skill or hobby. whatever happened to "proving the haters wrong" instead of giving up?

and why don't more girls have summer setups? i have hardly even heard of a girl building or trying to build a summer setup. and yet, EVEN BY THE PERCENTAGES, i assure you a huge portion of male skiers have or had a summer set up. you could argue they don't know how. but it's not just people with engineering degrees out there building summer setups. there are kids who have never probably never touched a power tool before, who are at prepubescent age, convincing their parents to help them or build a summer set up for them. tom wallisch had one. henrik harlaut had one. andy parry and will wesson both had one. it seems like a lack of commitment and passion is the problem for a lot of girls.

the first time i saw katrina ski was in "MOM TWERKS AND HITS A BOX." and throughout the entire thing, i legitimately had no idea whether i was watching a male or female. it didn't matter, the skiing was good either way. that's what you girls should strive for: good skiing regardless of gender. your current mindset is setting you up for failure; it's confirmation bias. believing that skiing is harder for women is going to drastically slow your progression. i think one of the reasons kelly sildaru is so good is that she started at such a young age, she had no idea of the preconceived notion that female skiers are "supposed to be" worse than males.

if this posts pisses you off ming, go and progress and become the best skier you can. and post an edit. even if you get some downvotes, you probably learned some new tricks. if those downvotes and negatives comment piss you off, rinse and repeat until you've proved them wrong. it's the same process skiers as males go through.

 

[270on420out]

i don't understand how some girls can think that the adverse comments and negative feedback applies only to females. if you think that's true, i encourage you to make an edit, tuck your hair into your jacket, and use a fake male name and an alias. post it as a male. the comments will most likely be more harsh than if you said you were female. 2 of my first 4 videos have more downvotes than upvotes, and the other 2 barely squeaked by. a ton of my old pictures are downvoted into the red. it made me want to go back out and ski and prove to these people that i can be better than that. so you don't want negative feedback? you want positive feedback? is the answer to give up and avoid it? should people have to give you positive feedback regardless of how good you are at skiing?

NO. the answer is to improve yourself until you get positive feedback. i guarantee you all of us have been there. get FUCKING PISSED OFF that someone questions your ability. you should want to show them that you don't suck. nobody flies out of the womb with a swift cork 7 blunt and stomps it onto the floor of the ICU.

adversity comes to everyone. pros, even. goepper and bobby brown are perfect examples. i admit, i didn't use to like goepper. i hated when he won whatever comp that was with an extremely sketchy sw dub 14. TONS of people shit on him for a season or two. and he just went out there and kept improving. there are plenty of other skiers i'd like to watch first, but goepper has improved drastically. i don't know how many people remember that people HATED when LSM won superunknown. "i could have done all those tricks" was a common theme; his entry was not technical at all. and look at him now.

casual is also spot on. regardless of what people tell you of your skiing and how other people think of it, think of why you got into skiing in the first place. was it not fun? i know for a fact that the first time i ventured into the park, i had never even really watched an edit. i had no park etiquette. even when i started to try to hit features, i'd get yelled at for hitting it wrong or being in the way. but i continued to do it because it was fun and it gave me an adrenaline rush that i hadn't ever had before. hate is an integral part of rising up the ranks of any new skill or hobby. whatever happened to "proving the haters wrong" instead of giving up?

and why don't more girls have summer setups? i have hardly even heard of a girl building or trying to build a summer setup. and yet, EVEN BY THE PERCENTAGES, i assure you a huge portion of male skiers have or had a summer set up. you could argue they don't know how. but it's not just people with engineering degrees out there building summer setups. there are kids who have never probably never touched a power tool before, who are at prepubescent age, convincing their parents to help them or build a summer set up for them. tom wallisch had one. henrik harlaut had one. andy parry and will wesson both had one. it seems like a lack of commitment and passion is the problem for a lot of girls.

the first time i saw katrina ski was in "MOM TWERKS AND HITS A BOX." and throughout the entire thing, i legitimately had no idea whether i was watching a male or female. it didn't matter, the skiing was good either way. that's what you girls should strive for: good skiing regardless of gender. your current mindset is setting you up for failure; it's confirmation bias. believing that skiing is harder for women is going to drastically slow your progression. i think one of the reasons kelly sildaru is so good is that she started at such a young age, she had no idea of the preconceived notion that female skiers are "supposed to be" worse than males.

if this posts pisses you off ming, go and progress and become the best skier you can. and post an edit. even if you get some downvotes, you probably learned some new tricks. if those downvotes and negatives comment piss you off, rinse and repeat until you've proved them wrong. it's the same process skiers as males go through.

Best post in this thread

 

[ModMommy]

Overall there tends to be a negative attitude in women's skiing. Not just from the men, but from the girls themselves. In order to address the issue of men's attitude we first need to remedy the women's.

on another note, nsfairy and myself were brought onto the mod team specifically for lady gabber and to help monitor the women bashing (it got pretty bad at one point) if there's something that is being attacked, or is outright unacceptable you can (and should) PM a mod about it. We're lucky to have such a strong self policing community, but things can get out of hand at time.

 

[katrina]

im so over this thread. everyone is just splitting hairs. everyone is giving way too many fucks. get off the internet and go skiing.

 

[artrud]

i don't understand how some girls can think that the adverse comments and negative feedback applies only to females. if you think that's true, i encourage you to make an edit, tuck your hair into your jacket, and use a fake male name and an alias. post it as a male. the comments will most likely be more harsh than if you said you were female. 2 of my first 4 videos have more downvotes than upvotes, and the other 2 barely squeaked by. a ton of my old pictures are downvoted into the red. it made me want to go back out and ski and prove to these people that i can be better than that. so you don't want negative feedback? you want positive feedback? is the answer to give up and avoid it? should people have to give you positive feedback regardless of how good you are at skiing?

NO. the answer is to improve yourself until you get positive feedback. i guarantee you all of us have been there. get FUCKING PISSED OFF that someone questions your ability. you should want to show them that you don't suck. nobody flies out of the womb with a swift cork 7 blunt and stomps it onto the floor of the ICU.

adversity comes to everyone. pros, even. goepper and bobby brown are perfect examples. i admit, i didn't use to like goepper. i hated when he won whatever comp that was with an extremely sketchy sw dub 14. TONS of people shit on him for a season or two. and he just went out there and kept improving. there are plenty of other skiers i'd like to watch first, but goepper has improved drastically. i don't know how many people remember that people HATED when LSM won superunknown. "i could have done all those tricks" was a common theme; his entry was not technical at all. and look at him now.

casual is also spot on. regardless of what people tell you of your skiing and how other people think of it, think of why you got into skiing in the first place. was it not fun? i know for a fact that the first time i ventured into the park, i had never even really watched an edit. i had no park etiquette. even when i started to try to hit features, i'd get yelled at for hitting it wrong or being in the way. but i continued to do it because it was fun and it gave me an adrenaline rush that i hadn't ever had before. hate is an integral part of rising up the ranks of any new skill or hobby. whatever happened to "proving the haters wrong" instead of giving up?

and why don't more girls have summer setups? i have hardly even heard of a girl building or trying to build a summer setup. and yet, EVEN BY THE PERCENTAGES, i assure you a huge portion of male skiers have or had a summer set up. you could argue they don't know how. but it's not just people with engineering degrees out there building summer setups. there are kids who have never probably never touched a power tool before, who are at prepubescent age, convincing their parents to help them or build a summer set up for them. tom wallisch had one. henrik harlaut had one. andy parry and will wesson both had one. it seems like a lack of commitment and passion is the problem for a lot of girls.

the first time i saw katrina ski was in "MOM TWERKS AND HITS A BOX." and throughout the entire thing, i legitimately had no idea whether i was watching a male or female. it didn't matter, the skiing was good either way. that's what you girls should strive for: good skiing regardless of gender. your current mindset is setting you up for failure; it's confirmation bias. believing that skiing is harder for women is going to drastically slow your progression. i think one of the reasons kelly sildaru is so good is that she started at such a young age, she had no idea of the preconceived notion that female skiers are "supposed to be" worse than males.

if this posts pisses you off ming, go and progress and become the best skier you can. and post an edit. even if you get some downvotes, you probably learned some new tricks. if those downvotes and negatives comment piss you off, rinse and repeat until you've proved them wrong. it's the same process skiers as males go through.

good post. No one owes anyone anything. Go out and earn it if you really want it. Period. Also check out this story about Shane. Lead by example, include everyone regardless of skill level, just have FUN! Remember, this is a community...
https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/thread/531535/In-Memory-of-McConkey

^read it

 

[cobra_commander]

On another, related, note: I can't wait until some kid who is almost good enough to be in the top tier of freeskiing suddenly decides he identifies as a she, and demands to compete with the gals, and cleans the fuck up.

 

[Breaking_Rad]

On another, related, note: I can't wait until some kid who is almost good enough to be in the top tier of freeskiing suddenly decides he identifies as a she, and demands to compete with the gals, and cleans the fuck up.

He'd be bitch slapped.

On another note, there is a edit from a kid from a few years back where he was just bashed on here - no style, prespins, etc. I think now he is damn near close to being near top tier or just below. I'd have to search, but a bit of the example of taking the criticism and building on it.

 

[vandersteeze]

Welcome to equality. Sucks, don't it?

Skiing is a male dominated space where raw ability is held above all else. If you want to be considered "good at skiing" and reap said rewards from such you need to meet the criteria. If you want special encouragement to try just because you are a girl then its not the equality that women have been fighting years for. Suffering leads to achievement, not handouts.

 

[vandersteeze]

Don't get me wrong. I really would love to see girls achieve, but they are going to have to do it the same way everyone has been doing it for years

 

[notspoicey]

Can a mod plz just delete this thread it am eyesore

 

[broto]

im so over this thread. everyone is just splitting hairs. everyone is giving way too many fucks. get off the internet and go skiing.

Can a mod plz just delete this thread it am eyesore

These comments surprise me, especially coming from pinknames. Yes, anytime a thread like this pops up there is an ensuing shitstorm, but i think (and I think most users would agree) that they are very important discussions to have. This is one of the better threads as of late, with tons of thought provoking (albeit some misogynistic and blatantly rude) posts. I get off the internet and go skiing when I can, but what's wrong with a good discussion about skiing when I cant?

 

[ModMommy]

Can a mod plz just delete this thread it am eyesore

No, this is good discussion.

 

[el_mn_op]

Women pro skiers are important. Just because women don't need to perform at the same level as men in order to acquire sponsors doesn't mean that they don't have value or contribute to the skiing community.

For one thing, they help companies sell their women's gear. I bought an Armada jacket last year because I saw Maude Raymond wearing it in an edit, and I thought she looked sick. Was she doing triples? Nah, she was just looking steezy as fuck and having a good time. That was enough to convince me, and plenty of other girls. I don't know any statistics or much about the industry, but I know that by sponsoring women, companies benefit. Why else would they do it? Sponsorship is all about marketability, not about talent, and I know I'm not the first one to say it.

For another, women and girl skiers need role models. I am one of two girl park skiers where I live. I have no other females around me to be inspired by, or to look up to, or to epitomize. Watching guys ski is sick, but I am so much more motivated by watching women ski. I don't give a shit if they aren't as good as men, because I can't relate to men. Just because my role models can't do the same tricks as your role models does not negate their importance. You guys want to see women and girls stepping up their game in the park? Having exposure to professional women's skiing is a huge factor in that. I speak from experience.

Professional women skiers are not shit. They are so so so important, and please do not do me, or them, or the entire population of women skiers, the injustice of denying it.

Also, rach, your post fucking killed it. Thank you.

 

[Breaking_Rad]

For one thing, they help companies sell their women's gear. I bought an Armada jacket last year because I saw Maude Raymond wearing it in an edit, and I thought she looked sick. Was she doing triples? Nah, she was just looking steezy as fuck and having a good time. That was enough to convince me, and plenty of other girls. I don't know any statistics or much about the industry, but I know that by sponsoring women, companies benefit. Why else would they do it? Sponsorship is all about marketability, not about talent, and I know I'm not the first one to say it.

For another, women and girl skiers need role models. I am one of two girl park skiers where I live. I have no other females around me to be inspired by, or to look up to, or to epitomize. Watching guys ski is sick, but I am so much more motivated by watching women ski. I don't give a shit if they aren't as good as men, because I can't relate to men. Just because my role models can't do the same tricks as your role models does not negate their importance. You guys want to see women and girls stepping up their game in the park? Having exposure to professional women's skiing is a huge factor in that. I speak from experience.

Good post. Makes a ton of sense and maybe the best post in the thread. The fact men throw down is super great for the sport, but if you are a girl looking to get better you probably look more to a Dara Howell or Kaya Turski or Maude Raymond or Kelly Sildaru.

I'd argue everybody in that list above is a good-skier that embodies the sport as well. They kill it at their respective levels.

There may be some she-male that gets to the level of Wallisch someday and if it happens...cool, but in the meantime.

 

[AT-AT]

 

[cydwhit]

im so over this thread. everyone is just splitting hairs. everyone is giving way too many fucks. get off the internet and go skiing.

It's not about comps, it's not about filming, it's not even really about progression. It's about the stoke we get from skiing and sharing that stoke.

Once we can get over all this other crap we can start to talk about how to "fix women's skiing" or whatever. Until our priorities are straight though we'll all just be spewing crap on the internet.

So go ski

 

[iLLbiLLy]

Not going to lie... I didn't read the whole rant.

But if your honestly wanted to increase female progression, then stop sponsoring people based on gender and do it solely on talent.

Yes, at first the female sponsorship would disappear. But hear me out...

Unlike most sports, skiing is not dominated by physical abilities.

Men really have no physical advantage over women in skiing. Skiing doesn't require excessive amounts of strength. Many of the best skiers in the world don't even lift weights. Strength is primarily required in the legs and core. Both areas where females excel.

Freestyle skiing shares many of the same traits as gymnastic. Yet, the gap between men and women in those sports is much smaller (maybe existent).

So what is really the cause behind the lack of progression?

I would argue it is that expectation that women are not suppose to be as good at skiing as men.

Recent studies have shown that the impact of others expectations can be immense.



The following radio story does a great job of illustrating this point.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/544/batman

(seriously give it a listen... really crazy stuff)

To summarize, a blind person that grows up with the expectation that he is NOT in fact handy-capped in anyway, will end up immensely more capable than the blind person who grows up in the opposite environment.

Thus, take away the expectations that women should inherently perform worse than men in skiing... and they will start performing better.

 

[S.M.G]

honestly

you are stupid

 

[yungcigsmoker]

you are stupid

Great argument.

 

[percs]

Not going to lie... I didn't read the whole rant.

But if your honestly wanted to increase female progression, then stop sponsoring people based on gender and do it solely on talent.

Exactly. That would change everything. If all you women want "equality" and same "treatment" as men then here you go

 

[iLLbiLLy]

you are stupid

That's a really powerful argument but I'm going to need some supporting evidence (with references) before I can consider it as valid.

 

[marrows]

hahah who the fuck cares about all this stupid shit. go ski, male or female. has everyone forgotten we partake in this sport for fun?

this entire thread is a huge battle between people who enjoy typing more than skiing.

 

[DASZ.mp4]

Ive really only seen one girl ski at my resort. Im not sure how old she is but she looks about 9 (possibly 12 the oldest). She fucking blows my mind everytime I see her ski. She is gapping halfway onto a flat tube her height and 20 long, rides it to the end, no trouble whatsoever. She is throwing 5s off of jumps that get you 5-10 of air at best. At a recent rail jam with super slow conditions, I see her hit a 15ft pipe riding at 5mph. she somehow stays on to the end and honestly I would be very impressed if one of the older college skiers could stay on the rail for that long cause she is literally on that thing for 5s. But some random little 9 yr old girl doing that, not an experienced college kid? Fucking blows my mind. She has no fear. Straight up approaches features taller than her with no hesitating, no half-assing, no bullshit. At her age I wasnt able to hit rails that were .5-2 inches off the ground and 2 ft long. I could barely ride a box sideways for christ sake. And its even cooler that she just shows up one day, never seen her before, and she just tries all this crazy shit and gets it down.

Unfortunately, I rarely see her up. its not that she is getting hate in the park. in fact, everybody gives her as much applause as when you see someone else do something crazy. but I think its the fact that its not a comfortable environment for her. She doesn't see other girls doing it. She doesnt go ride with her friends. There is nobody there she can really relate to. She just rides with an older brother who teaches her everything. She is just out of place in the park and its not really inviting when youre the only one and you have no peers. I think the support is there but its not an environment that really fits well. if there were other girls riding then she would fit in but I bet she feels really out of place and doing something abnormal.

I think this is a big obstacle to get around and will be a tough challenge for getting more girls into riding park. I just really hope that she doesn't give up on it (she still comes but quite rarely) cause her ability to not give a shit about danger and how easily she learns is so unique. It would be a shame if she did just slowly loose interest. Really fun watching what she'll try next.