Arming Our Pilots

Trollolo

Trollolo

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Just curious what you guys think about this.

We trust pilots with the lives of hundreds of people on board, thousands of times a day. And when you consider a plane to be a weapon, we trust them with thousands. I can't remember the last time a pilot tried to intentionally crash a plane or used it as a weapon, where he could have used a gun to get his way/fend of passengers, etc. I sincerely believe there would have been a different story on 9/11 if our pilots had a pistol. Obviously we still need border security, but talk about a deterent for hijacking. I think even if America did this for domestic flights only it would help. I mean we might not want Iran-Air flying in with pistols, but I mean even if all NATO nations got together it would be a big step.

So my question is, why not? Whats the rational arguement against this? "They might murder someone on board."? I think as a society we need to trust people more. If someone wanted to kill me they could just run me down in there car, thats why I'm ussually for concealed carry of a handgun if they can pass a background check, etc, etc.

I'm generally pretty pro-gun, but I'm open to hear some rational arguements against allowing a pilot to defend himself and his passengers.

Fire away.
 
how often to planes get hijacked anyways?

besides, that would pretty much open another level of a fear based mentality in america.
 
i feel the safer route to this. would be making the pilots cabin air tight and have the door bullet proof. then if a hijack does occur. the pilots can release a gas of some form. sleeping gas or something bad ass. to detur the hijackers.
 
you know nothing about my life, so keep assuming. you asked for opinions, and i gave it. just because we don't agree, doesn't mean yo need to attack me.
 
Your arguement of oh well it doesnt happen that often is pretty sinister if you ask me. How often does a holocaust happen anyway? Why look for preventative measures to this.

- Karma.. Real life karma, not NS shit.
 
sorry for your loss but there's no reason to fly off about it.
"Jenifa" didn't know and neither does anyone else, you can't expect people to curb their opinions just in case someone like you is around.
 
I'm becoming a commercial pilot, I'm in training right now.

Besides carrying a gun, there are on some flights undercover TSA agents.

I think it is a good idea for a pilot to have a gun in the cockpit, but it shouldn't matter if airport security does its job.
 
so.....
^^so.... shooting a gun on a plane is still a bad idea, even if the fail to miss all crucial hardware and only puncture the hull, it's still a fucked up idea to fire a gun at a hijacker when you have a full cabin of people standing behind him ....
even a trained law enforcement officer will have to think twice before making a shot like that ...
 
you know what our corner stores have that get robbed a lot, not sure if there's guns, but i'm 5'1" so any genious who can see over the counter can see the ginormous german sheperd waiting to eat your face.
 
I will, don't worry.

"Hey this your captain speaking, we need to see the young lady sitting in row 14 seat D up in the cockpit real quick"
 
I'm pretty sure there is an "undercover" air marshal on each plane who I do believe carries a gun.
 
so your logic is; a .22 can take out a hijacker, but it won't take out any of the innocent bystanders?
 
would rather have innocent bystander by chance get shot than 1000 die.

I think the pilot in training saying she wants a gun proves my point........
 
You are an idiot

I'm a guy

Because of that, everything you say is now irrelevant

And I said pilots should have guns if security doesn't do their jobs, but, I think they are doing their jobs, so one gun in the cockpit might be a good idea, but each pilot shouldn't walk around with guns. And to be honest, I have never thought about guns when I fly, I think about flying.
 
Im not saying you need to be thinking about guns all the time. I'm saying its worth it to have, even if you ever pull it out once in your career, you will say "thank god I carried this for 20 years."

Good luck as a pilot btw thats pretty dope.
 
Thanks, I can't wait till I can get paid to do it, its so much fun.

And I see the logic in carrying one, but like I said, if security did their job, it shouldn't matter. Plus, locking the cockpit door so no one can get in makes sense....

And I'm a guy
 
no one should get shot period. aside from that, i'm sure you want to avoid hostage situations at all cost. so if you want to have professionals on the plane albeit, but really, like said, pilots, should concentrate on flying, not worrying if their planes will get jacked.
 
yea when I typed it I wasn't sure, but I looked it up now and its only some planes.

And they have to be very very very good shots so they don't hit any other passengers.
 
True, but I think about flying her and banging her at the same time

I can multitask when it comes to boobs
 
eh

i dont know

once that cockpit door is closed youre NOT getting in there, unless the pilots open it. which in the case of them having a gun in the cockpit they may actually be more prone to opening it thus causing someone who is not supposed to be in the cockpit being in there.

having asked my dad about this (25+ yr pilot) his response was one of "meh" hed never carry one.
 
exactly, when the pilot goes to pee or poo, then having a gun for that quick second the cockpit is open might come in handy
 
its called thinking proactively. its like a missle defense system. How often does it happen? I don't think we've ever had a missle launched at us but don't you feel safer if it does happen that we have a bit of defense? same concept with hijacking plane, except it has happened before. people have a right to be fearful, just like you have a right to your opinion and i have a right to mine.

 
My dad has flown for 35+ years. 2 years ago, he signed on as a Federal Flight Deck Officer, he carries a .40 H&K wherever and whenever he flies. This arm the pilots program already exists and has since a few years after 9/11. There really arent as many air marshalls as you think, and the TSA is a bunch of idiots in uniform. They cant really do jack.
 
good luck with your training etc. my brother went through it all and is working to build up hours now, and has been for the last few years. It is not a kind industry that you can walk your way into. Long hard work has to be put in, and all of it goes to getting a job that pays low and treats you like shit. But you get to fly, which is why most pilots still love it.

As for guns in the cockpit...read about fedex flight 705. It's a bit dated now, and it was a cargo plane, but if that guy had a gun, it would have been alot of worse.

watch the documentary "please remove your shoes" It's all about how security in airports is awful, fear based, and must be improved. The TSA knows it, but does nothing.

and also, if you look back over the history of aviation, hijackings occur fairly frequently. Only back in the day, it was more a formal affair. The plane would be hijacked, landed somewhere, the hijackers would demand money in exchange for passengers, 1 or 2 people might be killed, and then the plane would be stormed by police or military teams, killing all the terrorists.

 
This also shows the people that did hijack planes that we are scared and that is exactly what they want. They could care less about how many Americans that are killed, all that they care about is how many Americans that they scare.
 
it's logical to be a bit fearful of stuff like that. and if we don't learn from past experiences they re-occur. granted we've taken may steps to try and make sure that this will not happen again but that doesn't mean they won't keep trying. like i said its proactive thinking, the just in case situation. i think it might be a decent idea.

But its like my grandpa said, "Opinions are like ass holes, everyones got one."
 
What if the terrorist gets into the cockpit and is a foot away from me with his little shank he hid up his butt and he asks for the gun. Then i have to give it to him and he's more dangerous than he was before.
 
My dad works for american airlines so i fly quite often. It defiantly scares me every time i go through security thinking that those people are supposed to keep the airport safe. and about the air marshalls, i am pretty sure that they are only on international flights for the most part, but i'm not really sure.
 
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