Are you joking? "If they nuke US, We should nuke their Holy Sites"

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that kinda sums up how utterly stupid i think george bush is

 
then the us president would be worse than hitler and there would be another hallocaust

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but why did hitler not kill christians but instead kill jewish, muslims, gypsies...therefore it was somewhat based on religion. how would he claim muslims as a scapegoat? there were barely any muslims in europe!

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It had to do with the economics of the time and Hitler's past.

1. Germany was suffering a depression but many Jews were still doing well financially which brought the envy and spite of many Germans.

2. Hitler was treated badly during his teenage years in several different areas of his life. The people who were bad to him were Jews so he began blaming them for everything wrong in his life.

 
i know why he did it to jews but why muslims and gypsies? i know it wasnt too many muslims because europe doesnt have many but there were some that were killed. was it cause they werent of aryan race?

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^ Yeah it had to do with the Aryan blood thing.

Eventually he would have gone after anyone who wasn't blonde haired blue eyed.

 
And Gypsie is a religion, right. Is everyone from Bristol, New York as ignorant as you and Butterlicious? Hitler killed the Jews because he hated them as a race, not just a religion. There were also homosexuals and mentally retarded people sent to the same concentration camps as the Jews. It had nothing to do with religion, it had everything to do with the misguided belief in a master race and the so called enemies of this made up master race. Hitler ELIMINATED CHRISTIANITY in Germany and replaced it with the Nazi ocult. The Fuhrer (Hitler for you ignorant New Yorkers) was considered a deity. Oh, and what about all of those Christians Hitler killed when he bombed London in the Battle of Britain? What about all of the Christians he killed when he invaded Holland, France, Polland, Russia (yes there were still some loyal eastern orthodox christians in communist Russia). You are and idoit Butterlicious is also an idiot.

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i was asking a fuckin question man. no need to go all fuckin crazy. if hitler killed muslims and jews then its obviously partly based on religion. of course some is based on race. and about the killing english and russians and shit tahts because he was at war with them! you kill the enemy thats fighting against you. jews werent fighting them. they singled jews out and killed them.

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Nah bro you are misinterpreting it. Hitler was wholeheartedly throwing Christians in the oven as well. He wasn't going after Christians specifically because it wasn't a religion issue.

The idea was that Muslims couldn't have ever had any Aryan blood so they were gonzo too. Gypsies were a race not religion, not aryan, they were out. The Germans and Japanese were allies but after Hitler had taken control of enough of the world he already had plans drawn for eliminating even his allies.

 
alright theres a proper answer to my question. thanks for not being an asshole deezl. some people are younger than you^^^ and may not know as much. i know that gypsie isnt a religion but i was saying why they killed them. i didnt know that hitler threw christians in the oven too. never heard about that

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Your logic escapes me. Hitlers goal was to eliminate religion and replace it with something of his own. He eliminated christianity in his own country, the primary religion of Germany. He also got rid of other religions. Butterlicious's comment on the previous page that goes something like "No one blamed christianity for Hitler" is what started this whole thing. It is impossible to equate what Hitler did and what modern day fundamentalist muslims do. HITLER DIDN"T KILL IN THE NAME OF GOD!Yes Hitler was one of the most terrible people the world has ever known, but Christianity was never used as an excuse to kill Jews in the holocast. Islam is used every day not as an excuse, but as a means to kill people in the name of God. Not just in the west bank, not just in London or New York or DC. It was to blame for the genocide in Sudan, it was to blame for the killing of Serbs in Bosnia (oh wait, that actually DID happen before the serbs responded by killing muslims), it is to blame for the killing of Hindus in India, it is to blame for the killing of christians in the Phillippines. How on earth can I make all of these clames blaming fundamentalist islam for these things? Because the people responsible for the above actions claimed responsibility in the name of their own religion. Now, tell me please, if you will, when misguided christanity has ever even come close to the astrocities that have been committed by misguided muslims!

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Kevo...atrocities by Christians against Muslims have a special name.

They called them the "Crusades".

Someone has killed in the name of every religion.

 
the crusades....they wanted to spread christianity and take back the holy land. they even killed thousands of CHRISTIANS...the 4th crusade was a total disaster. they used god in order to kill christians and muslims. jihad isnt what most people think it is. jihad is the islamic nation doing it as a whole to spread islam. not kill people for political reasons and use jihad as an excuse or get closer to god. jihad means the same thing as crusade. holy war. just over the years its been used in the wrong way

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I knew somebody would have the right mind to bring this up. I am glad you did Bristolrider, it shows that you are actually pretty smart. The crusades were the product of preenlightenment thinking. Guess what though? There was a magical time called the enlightenment in which the societies of the world (thanks to the example of Europe) decided to leave all of this killing for religion crap behind them. This happened about 400 years ago. For some reason the lessons of the enlightenment went over the heads of a large portion of the modern day muslim world. The barbarism that they display on a daily basis today has far than surpassed the failed wars known as the crusades. One final note- so Jihad is a good thing that is used to spread the happy happy happy religion of islam? So, when a significant portion of the muslims in the middle east declared jihad on the U.S. they were just trying to be nice and spread their wonderful peace to us? September 11th was supposed to be a joyous day in which we would all realize the amazing advantages life as a fundamentalist muslim has to offer- Burkas for your wife, honor rape, and torture!No, the jihad of today is a completely different thing. For the record, I am not saying that all muslims support such things! The point I am making is that Islam is used far more often than Christianity as a means to committ crimes against civilization.

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That wasn't your original point. You are now disregarding saying that Christians haven't commited such acts of violence by saying "well that was 400 years ago."

 
i just found it funny that you called me ignorant after you just said that. i found it extremely rediculous when you asked where a misguided christian person ever caused the killings.. wow, haha look all throughout european history haha that might answer your questions. Crusades, africa, U.S with the native americans, latin america, asia, a lot of places man, you tell me i gotta get my shit straight and calling me ignorant, i admit it was a bad comparison of hitler. i never actually blamed christianity for anything i was just saying if you wanna blame all muslims for actions taken by fundamentalists, i can do the same with christianity thoughout history. but i will not do this because i know that an action of one does not stand for a group of all

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Hey i just wanted to throw this out there to all the kids on here saying "Another reason to move to Canada"....if you're an American citizen...whether your proud to be or not, its illegal to border jump. Canada can deport your ass right back to America :)

As for everything else, I think everyone's taking it a little too outta proportion. As a New Yorker who lost family members in 9/11 I can remember the carnage and wreckage at Ground Zero. And I know that if given the chance [Cant go into the forces because of Asthma] Id be over there right now fighting. To everyone who doesnt believe in the war...fine. Its your opinion. But try and think of how you'd feel if your mom, dad, brother or sister got blown up by some terrorist just because your an American? And then you wanna sit back and do nothing about it and talk about it over some coffee with diplomats? Clearly that aint workin cause they're never gonna stop hating America. Not as long as fundamentalists like Bin Laden exist. And trust me...many more exist

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some ones finally got this kinda back on topic.

fine you talk about retaliation but there are beter more efective methods then bombing mecca. i dono if you were sugesting this or not beacuse you only said retaliation. im not all about peace and all that stuff but retaliation against this enemy dose not work very well. we need to spend billions more on security in the US. Bilions of dollars being wasted on the war in iraq could be used to help secure our country and pay for more accurate inteligence to stop threats. Thousands of troops being wasted in irag could be used to secure our boarders to prevent groups like the M-13 street gang from helping al-qauda smugle wmds and operatives over the mexica boarder.

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I see your point, but at the same time are we supposed to sit around and just protect ourselves rather than eliminate the threat? That seems a bit much. The threat needs to be stopped while it still can rather than wait and have it grow even larger. If we sit around and having all these warnings of this, and that then the terrorists have won. Afterall the first 6 letters of terrorist is terror. Im just saying I do think alot more has to be done at the homefront but at the same time the threat needs to be eliminated...not just suppressed

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the solution: change US policy about international stuff.

it will do all the job

well most of the job

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Damnit..I wasnt finished but it posted anyway.

In Spain or other countries who are attacked by terrorists? It's not all about U.S. policy.

 
think about it, islam is 1400 years old. christianity is 2000 years old. when the christians were about the same age as muslims are now they had the crusades. christainity was about 11-1200 years old. islam is 1350 years old. plus what about the mass killings of the new world when the christians came? not only did they slaughter thousands to give them gold and except the christian faith, they also gave them diseases. the diseases were unintentional up until some time when they gave them blankets that they rubbed on people with small pox!

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oh yea and im saying that jihad today doesnt follow the "guidelines" for jihad. if a christain goes to the middleeast with a bomb strapped onto him its not a crusade cause its only one person, not spreadign the christain faith. through the news and stuff they term everything "jihad". jihad is the nation of islam, a mass amount of people who arent cowards and use bombs like that. my dad can explain better

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Why not just treat the middle east like the children that they are acting like? Tell them in no uncertain terms that if we are attacked by more islamist terrorists, we will retaliate, in kind, on a holy site. All they have to do is not attack. The mid east governments (all of them) and people (all of them) could even ... wait for it ... actulaly HELP catch some of them.

It's a very simple actions cause consequences message that you would teach children.

And to everybody who says we should just change our pollicies, that means that the terrorism worked. Not the right message to send at all.

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its a decent idea but i think that if the us said they would bomb holy sites then people would prolly flip out. what if someone who doesnt like muslims bombed the US in order to get the us to bomb holy sites?

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i know im late, but...

aside from being just plain idiotic, bombing mecca would make the entire world HATE us, way more than they already do, which is really saying something

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the U.S. bombing Mecca? that sounds like Osama bin Laden's daydream. he could set up al-Quada recruiting stations on street corners and have thousands of angry, young Muslims lining up to join his Jihad.

the only way the war on terror can really be won is through diplomacy. terrorists dont live in concentrated numbers, so traditional military tactics will never work. the war in iraq is proof of this. to defeat terrorists, the industrialized world has to try and understand the roots of the terrorists' anger, and try to change policy accordingly. obviously, most actual "terrorists" will never be influenced by these descisions, but hopefully the next generation of muslims wont harbor the same anti-west sentiment that is so prevelant today.

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you cut off the head and the body will die, so if we focused more time on fucking getting bin laden and other huge names instead of fucking around in iraq, we might make some progress, "So, when a significant portion of the muslims in the middle east declared jihad on the U.S. they were just trying to be nice and spread their wonderful peace to us?"-kevo, how can you call me ignorant i dont understand i think you should focus more time on learning about this subject than talking out of your ass, its not a significant portion that declared jihad, there is actually a small portion of terriosts in the middle east compared to the population. and in no way did a significan portion call jihad, you really have to learn more and stop listening to everything you hear on tv.

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Find out what makes them mad such as, letting women speak in public, not raping women, not killing girls in you're family for having sex before marriage. These things may seem strange to us but they are part of their beautiful culture so we must respect them.

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^ they dont rape women.. i dont get where you get this from, theres way more rape in america than in the middle east

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No, there's no way to prove that Butter. Women in the Middle East don't have a voice in most of the countries so they cannot report rape as they have no right.

There would be no statistics that are reliable.

 
Wow, that guy is a dumbass, what a horrible thing to say. Just because a few fundamentalists bomb somewhere in the US, we should retaliate by destroying Islam's hundreds of year old holy site? Jesus dude, that is insane

 
then theres no way to prove that there is mass amounts of rape going on there, in islam rape is a sin, so if they do follow closely then there probably isnt a lot of rape, so show me proof dont just say it

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it's a littel bit late buyt don't you saw that there were no more terror attack in spain?

they changed of goverment who said that they were retiring from Irak and shit and now no more danger for spain.

they moslty just want to control themself and don't be taught what to do by other people.

i warranty that if england change his mind over afganistan and Irak they will be safe

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i just hope you americans realise how big of a hole you've dug yourselves into with the war in iraq. furthermore, bush's re-election shows popular support for said war. the vulgarities from abu gharib and guantanamo bay demonstrate the hypocrisy of the values which bush enjoys trumpeting to support his iraqi vendetta. the satellite surveillance data used to deceive the public into belief of the existence of WMD shows the administrations willingness to lie.

i feel sorry for you yankees. many innocent lives of your citizens will be lost in the coming decades because of recent events. now the UK has been dragged into the mess. who knows who else is targeted as well.

i hope you're happy with how you voted (2000 and 2004), only time will tell how you will pay for it.

there are no winners in war, only lesser losers.

 
Ok and now I've finally lost my temper.

I'm sick of Canadian always talking shit. Do you not realize the degree of safety you enjoy by being our northern neighbor?

Furthermore, many people voted for Bush on issues that had nothing to do with the war. Kerry took a stand on some risky issues and it backfired on him in terms of morality. For those who voted for Bush because of the war...many did so because it is a major weakness to change leadership in the middle of a conflict and MANY more lives would be lost due to changes in tactics, morale and formats.

In addition, why do you feel it is okay to generalize our entire nation. Many of us have spoken openly about our disdain for the war. Many more feel that though the reasons for going to war weren't good, the fact that Saddam Hussein is out of power is a good thing. Iraqi people have expressed relief and joy that Saddam is gone in many independent press interviews, not just FOX.

It's easy to throw stones when it's not your friends, relatives and countrymen involved in the conflict and its even easier when your country is backed by an enormous military superpower who never criticizes you.

 
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