Are we gonna get drafted
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CatdickBojangles
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14403717:asparagus said:
Sanctions for the moment. It is a pretty sticky situation trying to prevent WW3 from happening.
SSteezle
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Russia has all the leverage now that Biden shut down the pipeline and we rely on them more than ever for Oil. Russia is attacking, meanwhile Putin is getting more rich as they have all the leverage on oil prices. The sanctions are a small fraction of the amount of money they will be making when they continue to increase oil prices. If more sanctions get put in place, oil gases will continue to rise. Biden's lost all leverage with his decisions in office.
Ukraine should remain independent, not a part of NATO, then Putin is happy, it stops a world war from happening.
Ukraine should remain independent, not a part of NATO, then Putin is happy, it stops a world war from happening.
SSteezle
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14403743:Lonely said:
True, I think it's just the idea that someday Ukraine may join NATO. My understanding is that Putin doesn't trust NATO, and fears that NATO will continue to expand eastward, eventually into Ukraine. There was a verbal agreement that NATO would not expand eastward, and they have done just that.
I'm obviously no expert, but here's a quote from the article that talks about the distrust.
"The current confrontation between Russia and the west is fuelled by many grievances, but the greatest is the belief in Moscow that the west tricked the former Soviet Union by breaking promises made at the end of the cold war in 1989-1990 that Nato would not expand to the east. In his now famous 2007 speech to the Munich Security Conference, Vladimir Putin accused the west of forgetting and breaking assurances, leaving international law in ruins.
Does the betrayal claim matter?
It matters desperately to Russia since it fuels distrust, feeds Russia’s cynicism about international law and is the central motive behind Russia’s draft security treaties calling for a reversal of Nato’s extension, due to be discussed on Wednesday at the Nato-Russia Council. The betrayal theory is not confined to Putin, but was supported by Boris Yeltsin, and from mid-1995 right across the Russian political elite."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ief-in-nato-betrayal-and-why-it-matters-today
SuspiciousFish
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14403751:SSteezle said:
Here are two very important articles to understand why we are in this situation today:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict
https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/...ernment-perpetrated-the-2014-coup-in-ukraine/
Obama/Biden created this mess when we used the CIA to prop up violent Fascists to overthrow the Ukraine government and Biden brazenly influenced the new Pro-west government. Since the beginning Crimea and Eastern Ukraine were not down on the regime change and wanted to break away from Ukraine which caused the smoldering conflict from 2014 to 2022. Putin is now using this as an opportunity to launch a full scale attack which is IMO insane. People need to understand this conflict started in 2014 and almost everything that is going on now is a result of that.
FruitBootPro
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14403717:asparagus said:
War was declared less than 24 hours ago, nobody knows what the government will decide in the near future
GayWolf420
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The only drafts I get down with are domestic lmao yall know what im saying, smash that MF like
Charlie_Kelly
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14404183:DeebieSkeebies said:
I’m a big Keystone guy, can’t beat .99 20oz’s
GrandThings
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Im only down if I get drafted into the 10th Mountain Newschoolers Division.
Imagine all of us fighting together? Russia wouldn't stand a chance
Imagine all of us fighting together? Russia wouldn't stand a chance
FruitBootPro
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14404742:skierman said:
lol, you of all people criticizing others for acting like children
sexyjulian
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Idk about you guys but I kinda wanna get drafted to slot some commies ?.
14403821:SuspiciousFish said:
These articles are a Russian propaganda. Lol.
You can believe what you want. And say what you want to say.
But both presidents and government elections which took place after Ukrainian revolution were democratic. Election results of 2019 were even recognized by Russian government, because they thought that V. Zelenskiy would be their puppet lol.
About anti Russia views of 2014 government. It became that only after annexation of Crimea, nobody cared about them before.
I get the point, that you want to see your intelligence service as the most powerful and something that could collapse the whole country in 2 month, but no, it’s not.
Maidan started when the crazy OMON had beaten to shit peaceful students protests in November of 2013. OMON didn’t even give the students a chance to go home.
And meanwhile there was an ongoing investigation with cops as the main suspects which was sabotaged by investigators -https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_of_Iryna_Krashkova
Maidan started as an anti police protest, because people got tired of police brutality and wanted change.
And every escalation of the protests were made by the government of that time. They refused to even start an investigation of the night, when a lot of students went to hospitals. Then authorities passed the laws which cut almost all the freedom we had for the internet, media, and in everyday life. People got crazy.
Then police authorities started to kidnap protesters and torture or kill them in the forests outside Kyiv.
And it wasn’t a cia false flag operations. No, Ukrainian police was a criminal element that controlled drugs and human traffic, took bribes from local businesses to operate, etc. the most known moments which were caused by corruption in police are Vradiivka, murder of Ihor Indylia, rape and murder of Oksana Makar.
People got sick of it and demanded changes on Maidan protests. Which turned into Yanukovich escape to Russia.
And about Russian war on Ukraine - it’s not about NATO. It’s about Putin’s deny Ukrainian as a a nation. Check the date (the joke that they thought ukraine would be under full control in 2 days) and use Google translate
https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051154/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html
Monsieur_Patate
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14403821:SuspiciousFish said:
The Donbas separatist movement dates back over a century, they've been wanting to break away for a long time, and because such a movement exists does not mean they necessarily represent the opinion of the majority in the region either. (this is not as clear cut as Crimea, different regions, different opinions). Shit, even Quebec has a super strong separatist movement, do you think Putin should invade Canada next to "free" them?
Not sure why you're trying so hard to defend Russia and come up with excuses for them, there's no scenario is which that invasion is justified.
SuspiciousFish
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14406001:Monsieur_Patate said:
Where am I defending Russia? I literally wrote a post in the other Ukraine thread outlining why Putin needs to be assassinated. I am just outlining that what is going on in Ukraine has direct ties to the 2014 overthrow which has evidence that was influenced by our CIA shortly after we fought a proxy war with Russia in Syria. Putin is in no way justified in the invasion but is using the chaos that the 2014 overthrow caused as a pretext to the war he caused. A lot of people here are younger and dont understand the foreign policy that Obama had with drone strikes, the Libya overthrow that made the country a hellhole, the Syrian overthrow attempt that armed ISIS with hundred of millions of dollars in US weapons and the Ukraine overthrow that happened 2 years later. Ukraine had a more or less friendly relationship with Russia until 2014 and they shared a naval base in Sevastopol.
Its like ISIS. Do I support ISIS? Hell no. Was ISIS formed in Iraqi military prisons as a direct result of our bullshit Iraq war? Most definitely yes. Saddam was supported by the USA for years until he didnt tow the line so we took him out and created yet another mess.