Ar7 off center?

adamwhit8

adamwhit8

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I just got my new ar7s mounted and i asked for center. they are a little back i believe but i cant be certain and i did do measurements but still unsure... may post pics but if you guys could show me or describe the look from pure center that would be great thanks!
 
Put the boot into the binding, on the boot you'll see a marking, that's the mid-sole of the boot, where ever that boot lines up on the ski, that's the mounting point, so if you want it true center, then that mark on the boot should be directly in the middle of the ski.

It'll look something like this:

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Also, keep in mind that the top sheet might have shifted when it was applied to the ski, so I would measure instead of going off of that (I usually just measure first to see if the chart is in fact correct, then go off those markings, if it is off I'll make a mark with marker on masking tape...it's just easier to see instead of trying to hold a tape measure in place while looking at the location of the mark on the boot).
 
You'll have to measure for the center mark, and your boots do have that mark, all boots do. Check the sole of the boot, anywhere on the boot, it's not always an arrow or anything that stands out, but somewhere in the middle of the boot is some sort of mark.
 
my bad about the double posts but now you get the idea can anybody see if they are center or not they look somewhat off but im not sure
 
It's impossible to tell from those picture...the problem is most bindings have a longer heel piece than toe piece (griffon's especially) giving an illusion that the binding is mounted off center. The ONLY way to tell is to put the boot into the binding and measure from the midsole of the boot to the tip and tail (if you really can't find a mark on your boot, measure the sole of the boot, divide by two, measure out that length and mark it, this should be the midsole point of the boot).
 
its about an inch off but that could be bad measuring is that a big problem or not really should i just live with it?
 
you won't really notice, especially if it's just bad measuring (which I would guess it is since a shop would either mount it at dead center or core center, which for AR7s is 5cm back from center, or about 2 inches). I wouldn't worry about it.
 
Gosh those ar7 graphics are so sick especially the bases! So clean man, and listen to flashkick haha
 
yeah pretty much what flashkick101 said. they are probably mounted at core center, which for the ar7's is 5 cm back from true center.

in the future, if it is questionalble, measure on your own before and mark where they should mount
 
yeah thanks guys but even if they are 2.5 cm back does that really matter all that much or should i just not worry about it...
 
Don't worry about it. This site can make you paranoid sometimes about gear decisions, but you won't notice the difference and will appreciate the allmountain capabilities and extra stability later down the line. Just ride em!
 
the fact that they mounted your skis incorrectly is at the fault of the shop. Maybe they would refund you for the mount?

as far as keeping them there goes, looks like they mounted at the factory recommended line. Which means that the ski will actually ski better, the side cut and flex of the ski are relative to a factory mounting point, so the ski will function as it was meant to at that point. (usually means it will perform better all over the mountain)

center mounting your skis is for people who are skiing more park than piste and want their skis to work best in that zone. Meaning you get a better swing weight with center mounted skis, and more tail, which makes skiing switch, and grabbing blunt easier.

 
just put your boots on your bindings and flip one ski around to see how close to dead center they are. the griffons definitely do have a longer heelpiece. my skis look a little back from center but they're not
 
Could someone answer a question for me please?! When you go to the shop to get your skis mounted, and you want it to be mounted exactly in the center of the ski, not at the recommended. What is the term? true center? dead center? (For more clarification, say you have a symmetrical ski, and you want it right the middle so they are mounted for what a symmetrical ski should be)

+k if you can even understand that and give a good answer.
 
True center is the most correct term, but measured center also gets the point across.
 
If you want to get them to do it right:

1) to find true centre, get a tape measure, measure the full length of the ski and then half it.

2) Measure this half length from the tail and draw a line on the ski to mark true centre. (Draw the line on some tape stuck on the ski if you dont want to write on the ski.)

3) Label that line with an arrow saying MOUNT HERE!

 
im in the same delema right now. i wanted my ar7's mounted deat center and they didnt do that for me. i am using this ski for park only because i have other skis for the rest of the mountain. should i have is it worth the time to bitch at my shop for there mistake and have them remount them or should i just keep them where they are?
 
Thanks, +k to you and flashkick. When you say measure the ski, is it from tip to tail with the measure tape taught over the ski?
 
I'm in this same dilemma as well, not with Ar7s though. I even specified "dead center" and they wrote that on the sheet and seemed to understand, however they are noticeably not mounted at dead center. I need to learn how to mount my own skis so I don't have to rely on shops anymore. This is 2 pairs of skis now at 2 different shops that have been messed up within the year.
 
it is super hard, for me at least, to notice the difference in swing weight between a center and non center mounted ski. Also, I don't really care if it's mounted a little back; skiing switch is so much different/so weird that unless you are EP, you probably won't notice that they're skiing a little strange. I'd just leave them where they're mounted, you'll still have a blast, but I'd definitely ask for a refund on the mounting job.

That's all just IMO though.
 
the most accurate is to measure along the topsheet/base with the tape in constant contact with the surface of the ski. tip to tail taught works too but do the same thing when you are drawing the line after having worked out where centre is (i.e keep the tape taught tip/tail).
 
If there is one thing I have learned about companies and shops... get what you can from them. Yes go back and get your money back man! ...shit ask for even more...like stickers, beanies, gloves, socks... Usually shops and or companies bend over backwards to make the customer happy. Then you will have some skis that you love (I love my ar7's.) And you wont notice much of a difference and like everyone else said they will ski well at company standard mount! Good luck broski.
 
My shop asked me before i could even tell them where to mount my T-halls this year. They mounted mine at -1.5 just like I asked. Those look like there at like -2.5 which is recommended.
 
If a ski is not symmetrical then center mounting it is good for all park but you will be fighting the sidecut of the ski when you are turning since you are not over the thickest part of the ski's core. You also aren't necessarily over the exact most narrow part of the ski. Mounting center is good for only park but this is my only pair of skis other than my old ones which are only used on urban so I wanted to be able to ski them everywhere. Hope that all made sense.
 
Sorry but I just noticed that they didn't mount them 2.5 back. They mounted them 5.0 back and im pretty sure that will cause a problem for a park skier. Will this cause a noticeable problem for me in the air with swingweight and all, or am I just over worried?
 
I'd be pretty pissed if i were you. You got brand new ski, probably for a lot of $, and they fucked up the mount by 5 cm? That is a lot, and will probably make a significant difference.
 
5cm is pretty far back, that you will notice on rails with balance and with jumps you wont have as much tail to support back seat landings. -2.5 you would not notice much at all. If its -2.5 you are fine and worrying too much but if its -5 i'd be pretty upset if I were you. To the op, I also know that ar7's have mounting marks so you must not be looking at the right thing if you can't see them.
 
1. Place skis on ground facing same direction, with boots in bindings.

2. Flip one ski so its tip is now next to the other ski's tail.

3. Compare boots. If the toe of one is at the same position as the heel of the other, you're center mounted. If not, go back to shop
 
He asked for center and they put them at core center. Its your own fault if you dont physically mark the ski when you take it to the shop.
 
they didnt give me a chance, they took the skis and asked me where i wanted em mounted.... i said "dead center like measured center" so he said "cool got it"...
 
Yeah the whole thing blows man, very few good shops left so you have to do as much as you can before you hand them over. Best way as most people say on here is measure, masking tape, and then mark it with a sharpie and make sure you tell them thats where you want them mounted. Even if there is a line on the topsheet still mark it to avoid confusion. When I got my JJs done a few weeks ago I waited until the tech wrote "mount on owner's blue line" on the receipt and then left.

Did they just take them to the back of the shop and then had you fill out the form after?
 
Same story here. When I got my T-Halls I actually stood there and watched the guy mount them at 1.5cm. He put the mould on the ski and he marked the point between true center and core center, measured at 1.5cm. That's the only way to make sure they don't screw up your ski.

I had a pair of 2012 punx screwed earlier this year. The shop wanted to remount them on the same pair of skis. I walked out of the store and I'm never going back.
 
I have talked pretty in depth with my armada rep, who used to be a pro park skier for line, about mounting points on non-symmetrical park skis. I was surprised to hear him say what i've always thought, -1.5 to -2.5 is really the money zone for park skis, and that having a little more tip to land on is actually beneficial when landing switch. He tries to keep all of his team riders from mounting center as well.
 
I really don't get why shops don't get how to mount skis, not 1 of my friends, myself included, ha never had a mount in the wrong place.
 
Its the difference of manufacturers center/mounting point and true center. If you want to be dead center on your skis ask for true center. If your skis are not symmetrical it will put you forward of the center mount line of the cores which will change the performance of the skis.
 
Im not even talking about just mounting center. It seems like they ask you where you want them, but then just put them whereverthefucktheythink they should go.
 
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