Anyone here with a vegan diet?

Vegans are hypocrits, plants are also living organisms that respond to stimuli like light, gravity and touch. I don't mind them do, more foie gras for me!
 
I would hope you could say it better than that.

Anyways I don't want advice from a 14 year old boy who thinks he's "alpha". have your balls even dropped yet?
 
As someone from the Dairy Land, I disagree. I have seen my dog drink milk and eat cheese. We are just the only animals on the planet that A. were smart enough to domesticate other animals for food and resources and B. understand the nutrients our bodies need to have a longer average life expectancy than what we really should be at.
 
Explain this to me then:

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Mature feral cats steal milk from Northern elephant seals.

OMG AN ACTUAL SCIENTFIC SOURCE.

We are definitely not the only animals enjoying milk.

Also the majority of people around the world remain lactase non-persistent, but in North/West Europe most people are lactase persistent, a recent evolution.
 
I meant the kid who said he was 14. not you.

after clicking his profile it turns out that kid might have lied about his age as well.

Either way I hope you are getting yourself an education and don't usually reply like that. I said in the OP that I didn't care about your opinion on the subject. This isn't intended to be a thread debating veganism. Did that not make it through your cauliflower ears and into your thick skull?
 
I just realized that I typed that and therefore it wouldn't go through his ears haha.

still I don't need to take that shit from some meathead who types like my 13 year old cousin.
 
im anti vegan, shits stupid. meat is delicious, and healthy, i know a vegan guy, hes 40 and looks 60, moves like he's 80, doesnt appeal to me..
 
I've heard that cheese is actually slightly biologically addictive. This same argument could be used for why people like candy and chips. It could also be used for why people cannn be vegetarian or vegan, because we can understand the nutrients our bodies need
 
Yeah I don't know if that's okay man, I mean you can't just be against christianity or something, at least, you may not practice it but I'm pretty sure you should accept others beliefs... seems like... world peace or something.

I know a vegan guy who is 25 and looks like 20? Who cares it's such a small sample size it proves nothing. I know people who have a degree in alternative nutrition and they say veganism can absolutely provide you with everything you need. No, not everything you would get 'naturally' but still, everything you need to be healthy and survive.
 
This, because if you cant get certain nutrients from a vegan diet, then they must have been extracted from non vegan things to make these supplements, right?
 
Well the first one is isn't true, sewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

but yes if it was you'd be right
 
Well the first problem is I have no idea what a supplement is, the second is that I think he said that if it's impossible to get all your nutrients from a vegan diet than supplements would have to be made from non-vegan sources but obviously there are people who are fully vegan. So is a supplement like a vitamin? I know when I was vegan the only thing I really did special for nutrients was I made sure I had some nutritional yeast on something to get B12, so I think supplements are a thing that can vary in needed-ness, like, if someone needs iron they can take it but it's still all vegan and lots of non-vegan people take supplements as well and not all vegan people take supplements sewwwww I forget what's happening but yeah.
 
if its a health/dietary concern for you, why wouldnt vegan people spend all that extra effort on eating as completely balanced as they can. Seems like it would be a lot easier, and the most healthful option.

if its about treatment of animals, eat free range meat/dairy products? theres nothing wrong with killing for food, as long as its humane.

throwing out an entire food source is liking giving yourself an ultimatum. its a little irrational.
 
Vegans live longer lives one average.

some people also feel killing animals for their meat is inhumane no matter how well you treat them.
 
Yes but isn't that stat just comparing vegas to non-vegas. But what about comparing vegans to non-vegans who watch their diet and eat healthy?

I don't think it's a fair comparison to just lump all "non-vegans" together. There's a big range there between those who eat healthy and those who eat crap. I'd like to see if a vegan diet will make someone live longer than a non-vegan who is really health conscious and balanced in their diet.
 
Well dogs are omnivores like humans, and we are looking at if a vegan diet can be compared to the healthiest of diets, and it can for dogs, so it could possibly be extrapolated that the same would be possible for humans?

Also even if the average vegan diet is healthier than the average non-vegan diet, that's enough for me.
 
I just find it obnoxious when trend whore hypocrite vegans get on their high horse, as if calling themselves vegan somehow privies them to some sort of magical insight on human nutrition that the rest of us ignorant omnivores could not possibly understand. I understand that what you put in your body is your business but I would like to be afforded that same courtesy in the company of the so called enlightened vegans. Shit is seriously irritating.
 
I don't know about the first onebut

Yeah the animals still suffer an amount. Also it's hard to know which free range products to trust, some definitions are just used to sell the stuff when all they need to do is let them walk for like 5 minutes a day (not sure about an exact example but obviously some certifications are bull)

While I don't agree with the last part (I think that if you don't want to eat something that was sentient, that you probably shouldn't...) but for me, because I do it for the environment, I will eat meat I find out of dumpsters because there is no effect on the supply/demand chain. But that's not for eeryone.
 
I was asking about the comparison of a healthy balanced non-vegan diet in humans compared to a vegan diet.

A vegan dog does not eat all the same things as a vegan human and a non-vegan dog certainly does not act as an example of a human with a healthy non-vegan diet.

and you don't say an "average diet" is better than an "average diet"-- you compare the people on the diets. So yeah, of course the diet of an average vegan is healthier than the diet of an average non-vegan. But why would you compare the two in that regard? There's a big difference in that: everyone who is a vegan keeps a close watch on what they eat. Not everyone who is a non-vegan keeps a close watch on what they eat.

It is much more relevant and interesting to compare people who have strict and healthy diets. Those who include meat and animal bi-products and vs. those who don't, but both attempting to be as healthy as possible.
 
I'm probably the farthest thing from vegan, but a girl dragged me to this vegan restaurant in Toronto called Fresh and it was actually really good. Check if they have one in your area.
 
that's a fair point. Honestly I haven't looked into the actual study I just wanted a source to post with the statement that I have heard my nutrition professor say so many times before.

other things to think about though are that a benefit of the vegetable/ vegan diet is that you watch you diet closely so you know much better what you are and aren't getting.

also I'm sure there a plant based dieters that don't exactly watch their diet very well just like people with an omnivore diet. they have just gotten used to eating the plant based diet so they know it as well as those people people who have been raised eating animal products.

I mean I eat meat and I don't exactly watch what I eat but I know what to eat so that I stay healthy. there are probably plenty or veggie people who are the same way. so I would take that into account when looking at a study like that. the sample would be influenced by those people on both sides.
 
I feel like my post isn't very clear.

My point is that Vegans are on a diet. "non-vegans" group together every other kind of diet in the world and everyone who isn't on a particular diet (has no rules).

When you do it that way, you can say that about any diet: "paleos live longer than non-paleos," "low carbers live longer than non-low carbers," etc.

You need to compare diet to diet, and I guess I'd like to know if the lack of animal products is actually why vegas live longer, or is it just the eating better in general. Could I incorporate an extremely healthy and well balanced diet that includes animal proteins and live longer than vegans, on average?

It's a legit question.
 
but it would be interesting to see a study comparing people who eat healthy on both types of diets.
 
The only problem I have with Vegans are the intolerant self-righteous bastards...

I've been denied rent in 2 different places because the vegan asshole wouldn't live with anyone non-vegan.

Fuck that shit. Might as well say that I can't share a pad with you because I was raised Catholic or something.
 
Yeah I agree, that sucks. I'm lucky that most of my friends are chill about their diet, but I know some people that definitely annoy me and just take every little vegan diet info they hear as fact when really a lot of it is just as bad science as the meat industry sponsored food guide. I think the outspokeness comes from the fact that the lifestyle is such a commitment and people who do it generally really believe in it so when it comes up they always want to talk about it.

It's sort of like if someone was a nun.
 
Man I don't want to live with people who eat lots of meat. My current room mate does that. The place is always greasy when he cooks and it smells bad. It's like living with a smoker. My roommate before was fine but she cleaned up properly and didn't have like a pound of meat every meal. it's definitely not like being catholic. The fucking chicken fingers ruined my $30 baking sheet and he refuses to use the cheap one because it is stained (with grease from meat). I don't want to live with non vegetarians anymore.
 
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