Any tips on first flip?

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david-alex

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Hey so I've been skiing in the park for two seasons now and I've been skiiing pretty much all my life (started at 3). I am pretty comfortable on rail since I can do spin on/off and swap but when it comes to jump I'm just so scared. For some reason whenever I want to do something higher than a 540 I get scared and pussy out but this year I want to throw some flips (probably flat 3s, 5s) or maybe a switch cork 5. Last year I trained for maybe 5 months before the season on trampoline and was pretty much able to do any flip variation up to 900 and double corks / double flats. But wasn't able to throw anything big. What can I do to really feel ready to throw my first flip on snow?

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Just send it. if you land it then great but if you eat it then you know It's not gonna be so bad
 
idk xD the only experienced i've had with crash was four years ago and broke my wrist on my first try at a nose grab on a snowboard haha so I guess that's what causing my fear.
 
I threw mine when I was at camp last week. Laying out felt a lot easier. It's really all about the commitment. It feel slightly different in snow but not a whole lot. It's all about the set and throw.
 
if you can double on a tramp, you can easily flip on snow. Wait for the snow to get soft or until you find a great jump and send it.
 
topic:david-alex said:
Hey so I've been skiing in the park for two seasons now and I've been skiiing pretty much all my life (started at 3). I am pretty comfortable on rail since I can do spin on/off and swap but when it comes to jump I'm just so scared. For some reason whenever I want to do something higher than a 540 I get scared and pussy out but this year I want to throw some flips (probably flat 3s, 5s) or maybe a switch cork 5. Last year I trained for maybe 5 months before the season on trampoline and was pretty much able to do any flip variation up to 900 and double corks / double flats. But wasn't able to throw anything big. What can I do to really feel ready to throw my first flip on snow?

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Dont think about throwing switch cork 5s or anything advanced right away...because you have tramp skill it will be easy to throw flips because you will already have the muscle memory but its not the same. I would say for starters try to learn front flips and backflips on snow. When learning flips I mostly only threw front flip variations and now I still have only thrown one backflip and clipped my tips. I have thrown alot of mistys and bios. Commitment is everything. Im guessing the jump you throw 3s and 5s on is small because I have found when throwing 5s its way easier to commit on a bigger jump. Another tip I would say is try to find the perfect jump for learning a flip, if you dont have powder dont worry many people learned there first flips on park jumps.Get the perfect speed for the jump you find and when on the lift think about what flip you are gonna try. When you get off the lift go straight to the jump and dont stop at the top of the jump for more then a second. It helps me not wimp out when trying something new and scary. Hope this helps! -Ian

 
13454681:iantheunderdog said:
Dont think about throwing switch cork 5s or anything advanced right away...because you have tramp skill it will be easy to throw flips because you will already have the muscle memory but its not the same. I would say for starters try to learn front flips and backflips on snow. When learning flips I mostly only threw front flip variations and now I still have only thrown one backflip and clipped my tips. I have thrown alot of mistys and bios. Commitment is everything. Im guessing the jump you throw 3s and 5s on is small because I have found when throwing 5s its way easier to commit on a bigger jump. Another tip I would say is try to find the perfect jump for learning a flip, if you dont have powder dont worry many people learned there first flips on park jumps.Get the perfect speed for the jump you find and when on the lift think about what flip you are gonna try. When you get off the lift go straight to the jump and dont stop at the top of the jump for more then a second. It helps me not wimp out when trying something new and scary. Hope this helps! -Ian
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Thanks a lot! Sadly there is no powder where I live :/ (east coast problems). But I can't really throw backflips xD I learned to do doubles on tramps before doing a single backflip and frontflips feel weird O.o would an alternative be a flat 360/540? It's the flip that I'm the most comfortable with on tramp
 
13454684:david-alex said:
Thanks a lot! Sadly there is no powder where I live :/ (east coast problems). But I can't really throw backflips xD I learned to do doubles on tramps before doing a single backflip and frontflips feel weird O.o would an alternative be a flat 360/540? It's the flip that I'm the most comfortable with on tramp
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Wow haven't heard this before. Usually people can single and not double...Try laying them out a little more on tramp and get ur chest out this may help.
I have never flat 3'ed on snow so idk what to tell you I guess I would say try to get backies down but if you are more comfortable doing flat 3s then go for it!
 
Don't think about anything when you go to flip.

Flat 3s are pretty easy. My friends and I all learned them this year, and they are easier than regular 3s haha.
 
13454692:THEDIRTYBUBBLE said:
Don't think about anything when you go to flip.

Flat 3s are pretty easy. My friends and I all learned them this year, and they are easier than regular 3s haha.
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xD Okay I guess I'll have to stop pussying out hahaha
 
A mistake that many people make though, is they just try to throw it. Don't do that. Make sure you get a strong pop, and set the rotation, otherwise you'll probably land on your face. Don't expect it to be just like the trampoline. The first flip you will do, if you act like like you are on the trampoline, you will underestimate the weight of your skis, and ultimately fall, and possibly hurt yourself. Also, don't start big, start with a backflip, or a flat 3, and work your way up to corks, and rodeos. Learn it into soft snow, so you can get the feel of it, and so if you puss out, it want be to bad. Once you get it in soft snow take it to the park. Happy stomping!!!
 
My first flip was a cork 5, but that was only because I was trying to 7 and got off axis. Then I just dipped the shoulder and rambled on
 
Honestly a bigger jump than you think you want to hit is sometimes the better jump to hit. I was back flipping a 15ft or so jump and then went to 25ft ish and liked the bigger jump more just because you have more airtime. If you can't backie, do your most comfortable flip on tramp on snow.
 
the training you did with tramp will help so much with doing flips. i know with a lot of what i throw now it was because of training on trampolines when i wanted to learn to flip. now its time for you to take it to a jump honestly. take a test run or two, and just pop off the lip like you would if you were to set for the flip. Next step is actually going for it. come into the jump committed and calm. the more you commit the better the results (either landing or just washing out usually). when you are getting ready at the top of your in run don't stall too long as it will sike you out (so rehearse what you are going to do and be calm/ don't be scared as you drop in.

As far as learning filps i might say learn fronts and backflips before you start flats. while flats on trampoline are 100% identical on tramps as far as set goes, I would say get backs first as flats are based of a backwards motion somewhat similar to backflips

keep going tho dude. the first flip always feels so damn good. i still remember mine and the feel after stomping it. you to this homie. and in no time you will be throwing backs, fronts, lincons, flats, rodeos ect. ect.
 
13454925:Swandog7 said:
Honestly a bigger jump than you think you want to hit is sometimes the better jump to hit. I was back flipping a 15ft or so jump and then went to 25ft ish and liked the bigger jump more just because you have more airtime. If you can't backie, do your most comfortable flip on tramp on snow.
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he is try about this. while bigger jumps may be more intimidating, the more air time you will have to fix things if your trick is going wrong
 
I feel like everyone has a trick that they are super comfortable with on the trampoline or just in general, for me it was the misty 5 so I hucked it a few times last year during the spring and I got very close but never landed it. And I sent it just on a park jump on a soft day, no back cou try booter with 3 ft of pow. Just send it when you are hyped and just go for it
 
One thing you should know is everyone has been in your seat. Each skier encounters some sort of gut wrenching feeling when learning new tricks. Every trick is do-able and each skier can do them; so get that feeling you can't send it out of your head. Literally, all freeskiing is is hucking yourself off a mountain of snow to do tricks. You gotta start somewhere and, first thing first, forget about your broken wrist, shit happens like that in skiing but you can't let it hinder your ski career. Next step is taking it to the park.

1. Speed

You wanna have hit the jump a couple times before and get a good feel for the size of the booter.

2. Eyes on the prize

On your way to the lip you wanna be tripping on the trick. It should be the only thing you are thinking off as you approach the kicker.

3. Flats

There are different ways to set a flat, my favourite is dropping back your shoulder and look over it until you have succeeded in spinning yo shit (whether it be a flat 3, 5, 7, 420 etc.); while keeping your eyes on that landing.

4. Get hype

Nuff said.



 
13455803:Mr.noodle said:
Just send it when you are hyped and just go for it
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13455946:Goldiee said:
4. Get hype

Nuff said.
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This is a massive part of it. Don't do it if you are doubting yourself. Do it on a day where you really feel comfortable and good, and send it. It could be the first day of the season, it could be the last, or somewhere in-between, just don't rush it. Also, it may help, if you don't think about it as your first flip, and you have done many others before, and this is just another trick in the park.
 
13455946:Goldiee said:
One thing you should know is everyone has been in your seat. Each skier encounters some sort of gut wrenching feeling when learning new tricks. Every trick is do-able and each skier can do them; so get that feeling you can't send it out of your head. Literally, all freeskiing is is hucking yourself off a mountain of snow to do tricks. You gotta start somewhere and, first thing first, forget about your broken wrist, shit happens like that in skiing but you can't let it hinder your ski career. Next step is taking it to the park.

1. Speed

You wanna have hit the jump a couple times before and get a good feel for the size of the booter.

2. Eyes on the prize

On your way to the lip you wanna be tripping on the trick. It should be the only thing you are thinking off as you approach the kicker.

3. Flats

There are different ways to set a flat, my favourite is dropping back your shoulder and look over it until you have succeeded in spinning yo shit (whether it be a flat 3, 5, 7, 420 etc.); while keeping your eyes on that landing.

4. Get hype

Nuff said.
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13455976:--Nick17-- said:
This is a massive part of it. Don't do it if you are doubting yourself. Do it on a day where you really feel comfortable and good, and send it. It could be the first day of the season, it could be the last, or somewhere in-between, just don't rush it. Also, it may help, if you don't think about it as your first flip, and you have done many others before, and this is just another trick in the park.
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Thanks guys!
 
Don't know why nobody mentioned it but if you can get access to an airbag you need to make that your priority! Seriously, it helps allot. The first time you flip on skis its gonna feel a little awkward so just being able to get that feel in an airbag helps allot. That's how I learned all my corks/flips. If you can, practice on the bag maybe 10 times in a row then that same day go find a jump similar to the bag jump in the park and send it! good luck
 
13456154:G-raff. said:
Don't know why nobody mentioned it but if you can get access to an airbag you need to make that your priority! Seriously, it helps allot. The first time you flip on skis its gonna feel a little awkward so just being able to get that feel in an airbag helps allot. That's how I learned all my corks/flips. If you can, practice on the bag maybe 10 times in a row then that same day go find a jump similar to the bag jump in the park and send it! good luck
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I tried my first backflip onto an airbag and tore my meniscus..
 
Start frontflips first

Start of with some front rolls on the pist, try to push with your skis (ninja flip) . get to feel comfortable and send it on a smallet kicker the exact same way you did the frontrolls just set it a bit harder. Tuck and try to spot your landing like you would on tramp.
 
13454684:david-alex said:
Thanks a lot! Sadly there is no powder where I live :/ (east coast problems). my suggestion really depends how far north or south you live on the east coast, me living in DC this is reasonable. now that that is out of the way why not try to go to liberty university they have a whole snowflex mountain! they also have an air bag as someone previously mentioned. here is the link. enjoy!http://www.liberty.edu/snowflex/
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13456825:Bootyhunter said:
well that fucked up XD still new to here... so yeah sorry about that...
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Yeah it'd be cool but sadly I live in canada :/ it's kinda far although im saving to go to momentum next year. I'm just hoping to improve a lot during that week xD
 
Yeah that is quite a ways to go...im also saving to go to momentum or woodward at copper. I'm thinking of going to copper because ive got a cousin in colorado that im going to be trying get him to come too.
 
Honestly, to get your confidence up I would recommend trying switch rodeo 5s, on a smallish jump. They are extremely easy, I landed mine first try. It really helps build your confidence to try other flips, and go onto bigger jumps. Other than that, it's all commitment.
 
13457475:SladeSki said:
Honestly, to get your confidence up I would recommend trying switch rodeo 5s, on a smallish jump. They are extremely easy, I landed mine first try. It really helps build your confidence to try other flips, and go onto bigger jumps. Other than that, it's all commitment.
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Thanks! That's what I was thinking of doing too since I'm really comfortable riding switch. I'll trying to get pumped up in the early season and throw it as fast as possible so that I can clear some more flips this season
 
13457826:david-alex said:
Thanks! That's what I was thinking of doing too since I'm really comfortable riding switch. I'll trying to get pumped up in the early season and throw it as fast as possible so that I can clear some more flips this season
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Yeah man, they're safe and easy and come around pretty easy. I do them on jumps as small as 15-20 feet sometimes, just for fun. I'd recommend a nice mellow 30'. Get the speed down, and try not to think about it when you're dropping in, just drop in saying "i'll send this shit", and you probably will. It's when you doubt and get scared that bad shit happens, confidence is everything.
 
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