Anti Friction Device Toe Plate Problem

[backyardcracker]

Why does my AFD keep getting loose and making space between my boot and the toe piece?

It's that little plate under the toe piece wings, the bindings are Tyrolia Attack 11's



**This thread was edited on Nov 12th 2020 at 8:42:42am

 

[SFBv420.0]

maybe take the thingys to a professional

who knows what thingies go where to which parameters

 

[backyardcracker]

maybe take the thingys to a professional

who knows what thingies go where to which parameters

already did, i was told to just tighten it and hope for the best. that hasn't worked out seeing as i've had to bring a screwdriver with me on multiple trips to the slopes

 

[rubberpantaloons]

Yeah thats what you pay for when you get attacks, pretty much gotta adjust those afds after/before you ski everytime, just put your boot into the skis and pull the cuff back into like a wheelie with your hands and use a screwdriver to out the afd up a little bit, just enough that a business card can fit with a little bit of resistance. Pain in the ass for the most part but if you dont your gonna have some really fucking gnarly ejects if you dont. Get pivots if you have the option

 

[backyardcracker]

Yeah thats what you pay for when you get attacks, pretty much gotta adjust those afds after/before you ski everytime, just put your boot into the skis and pull the cuff back into like a wheelie with your hands and use a screwdriver to out the afd up a little bit, just enough that a business card can fit with a little bit of resistance. Pain in the ass for the most part but if you dont your gonna have some really fucking gnarly ejects if you dont. Get pivots if you have the option

yeah, i was worried it was something i might just have to deal with because of the like $230 price point.

was going to get pivots this season, but i'm gonna have to ride these out and get new sticks/ bindings next season instead cuz of where i am financially.

bob the builder in the park w all my tools ig

 

[rubberpantaloons]

yeah, i was worried it was something i might just have to deal with because of the like $230 price point.

was going to get pivots this season, but i'm gonna have to ride these out and get new sticks/ bindings next season instead cuz of where i am financially.

bob the builder in the park w all my tools ig

Dont stress, once u figure it out its like a 2 minute process after skiing, sometimes id forget to do it at home and be clipped into my skis fucking with the afd lmao. Pivots are def worth the extra 30 bucks but attacks are good too with the exception of that issue

 

[backyardcracker]

Dont stress, once u figure it out its like a 2 minute process after skiing, sometimes id forget to do it at home and be clipped into my skis fucking with the afd lmao. Pivots are def worth the extra 30 bucks but attacks are good too with the exception of that issue

that sounds good, shouldn't be too big of an issue

 

[Jesushadvishnus]

Would loctite be an option?

 

[rubberpantaloons]

Would loctite be an option?

[tag=261198]@DolanReloaded[/tag] i think he was telling me that might work but i didnt try it cuz the skis the attacks were on are fucked. Idk tho id be kinda sketched on taking out the afd

 

[Pipe_Munky]

Get your hands on some blue thread locking compound (NOT RED OR CLEAR). Liquid would be best and put it on the threads of the AFD adjustment screw. This will prevent it from moving.

Do not use red or clear as those are made for permanent application and you will not be able to adjust your AFD even if you wanted to.

 

[Ethan_pollock3]

either slide some jb wield up in there or throw em in the trash and buy pivots

 

[backyardcracker]

Would loctite be an option?

I'm thinkin something similar to loctite, but less permanent. If i can confirm that i'll be getting new bindings next season, might as well make these fuckers permanent, but if not i'd want to be able to adjust them. good idea

 

[backyardcracker]

Get your hands on some blue thread locking compound (NOT RED OR CLEAR). Liquid would be best and put it on the threads of the AFD adjustment screw. This will prevent it from moving.

Do not use red or clear as those are made for permanent application and you will not be able to adjust your AFD even if you wanted to.

perfect.

thank you, i'll definitely give this a try, even if it slows the movement of them unscrewing a little that'd be good

 

[clorox]

Get your hands on some blue thread locking compound (NOT RED OR CLEAR). Liquid would be best and put it on the threads of the AFD adjustment screw. This will prevent it from moving.

Do not use red or clear as those are made for permanent application and you will not be able to adjust your AFD even if you wanted to.

The thread locker I use for my quiver killers is bright red. It was my understanding that red is for something that has to thread in and out, where blue was more pasty and permanent. The tow hitch I installed on my car came with blue thread locker.

 

[animator]

already did, i was told to just tighten it and hope for the best. that hasn't worked out seeing as i've had to bring a screwdriver with me on multiple trips to the slopes

A shop told you to tighten it yourself rather than having a certified technician do it? I find that sort of hard to believe

 

[zag2zag]

My local shop has stopped selling Attacks sure to their unreliable and poorly designed AFD. I was shocked when they showed me the top toe lug shelf on the Attack2 13s, there is nothing there to hold your boot.

I strongly believe that if you have to use glue or self adjust your bindings, that they are to broken to continuing using. I had a friend nearly die due to a forward pressure issue on a binding a year ago when it ejected in the fall line at 45+ mph at the last roller of a groomer.

I went with STH 13s. Good luck.

**This post was edited on Nov 13th 2020 at 9:27:15am

 

[weastcoat]

Feed them to your dog and get pivots instead

 

[DominatorJacques]

Get your hands on some blue thread locking compound (NOT RED OR CLEAR). Liquid would be best and put it on the threads of the AFD adjustment screw. This will prevent it from moving.

Do not use red or clear as those are made for permanent application and you will not be able to adjust your AFD even if you wanted to.

^ This. Best advice.

 

[mott]

My local shop has stopped selling Attacks sure to their unreliable and poorly designed AFD. I was shocked when they showed me the top toe lug shelf on the Attack2 13s, there is nothing there to hold your boot.

I strongly believe that if you have to use glue or self adjust your bindings, that they are to broken to continuing using. I had a friend nearly die due to a forward pressure issue on a binding a year ago when it ejected in the fall line at 45+ mph at the last roller of a groomer.

I went with STH 13s. Good luck.

**This post was edited on Nov 13th 2020 at 9:27:15am

yup attack2s are a pain i wouldnt ever buy them again, they release when they need to but the afd is wack

 

[backyardcracker]

A shop told you to tighten it yourself rather than having a certified technician do it? I find that sort of hard to believe

They looked at it, and said if it continues to loosen, just give it a few turns

 

[Pipe_Munky]

The thread locker I use for my quiver killers is bright red. It was my understanding that red is for something that has to thread in and out, where blue was more pasty and permanent. The tow hitch I installed on my car came with blue thread locker.

Blue LocTite is the one that is made to go in and out. Red is more permanent. Could differ between brands but I've always used LocTite

 

[Greg_K]

Almost guarantee that the AFD height has never been set up properly to remove slack in the boot/binding before adjustment. Have had about 20 pairs of Attacks and never had an issue. This improper AFD set up issue is not only an Attack problem but also happens with Griffons and STH bindings too.

The key step that many techs and DIY people seem to miss is the step to eliminate slack before adjusting the AFD. Place the boot in the binding with the spacer/business card between the boot toe and AFD. Now pull HARD on the back of the boot cuff in order to “wheelie” the boot toe to eliminate any possible slack and THEN try removing the spacer/business card. You will find you will have to adjust the AFD up now that you have eliminated the slack. Adjust the AFD until the spacer/business card resists removal while still applying pressure on the rear boot cuff.

Properly adjusted AFD on the Attack2 will partly cover up(1/3 to 1/2 covered screw and every binding my differ slightly) the back toe mounting screws like shown in this pic on a regular alpine/non GW boot. Should only have to adjust for boot toe wear a few times a year if that.