Anti drug argument

I don't think it's a coincidence that the people who seem most upset on this topic are the drug users themselves; diluted rationalization is all it is.
 
You are absolutely right. I have a little annecdote to go along with it...

I met this guy on the streets one night after last call. We chilled with him for some time and talked to him and asked him about his life. He told us about his family and his house and all sorts of stuff. During our conversation he smoked crystal meth in our presence, told us he was addicted to it. We saw him the next evening sitting on the steps of the homeless shelter alone. He had clearly lost everything.

Defending hard drugs is futile, because they simply are not good for you.
 
no idea waht you are talking about man. i started smoking weed 2 years ago or so, and just resently started doing it more. i took old pain killers from the drawer and started blowing them with a friend that already got in to some hard shit when he was younger (heroin, smoking crack crazy shit, anyway) so eventually traded some of those for an e pill and we took half of it one night (just because i was skeptical as fuck about it) and realized it wasnt that bad as i have been told my whole life. but if you always think things will be that way if you keep doing harder and harder shit you will be fucked sooner or later. so we eventually traded the rest of the pickles for an 80 bag of coke and 15$. so i tryed coke that night. it was a fun night. but i wouldnt do it every night. not even once a week. its just too fucking risky. so my girlfriend yelled at me for smoking weed so much and taking the pickles (i never told her i was blowing them, it was for the best) so just to make her happy i stoped. that was a few weeks ago and have smoked 1 night but other than that nothing. i havent drank in a llooooong time just because i knwo its bad as fuck for the liver and dont want to put my body through that all the time. so thats my story, and im going to have a shower after sitting around all day in my underwear on the computer and go skiing.
 
Be careful what you wish for.

I'll stick to recreational drugs to keep this easier.

Why are drugs ridiculed?

1) Because they negatively impact the human body.

2) The consequences of using most drugs is dire.

3) The repercussions of producing and selling them have the worst impact of all.

Caffeine is not illegal because it virtually impossible to avoid through consumption of certain things. These certain things that have been rooted in the human lifestyle for hundreds (even thousands) of years. Caffeine also does not have any noticeable effect on your brain's thought process.

Alcohol is slightly different. While it does not occur as easily as caffeine, it also deep long-lasting roots in human culture and lifestyle. This does negatively impact you thought process and reason ability. It also poisons the liver, but then again, most things do.

Smoking tobacco, grass, and marijuana are similar as well. Attitudes and uses for these vary from culture to culture and are not as universal. They are also generally not taken into the body by conventional means of consumption (i.e. eating and drinking). Tobacco (and some forms of grass and pipe weed) by themselves do not effect on your brain's thought process. Marijuana and similar inhalants DO effect the thought process and reasoning ability. All inhalants are damaging to the lungs, mouth, throat, and liver in one degree or another.

At about this point I would draw the line. Any other drug not mentioned above will cause long term irreversible damage to anyone...even when used un moderation.

Hallucinogenics, also called psychedelic drugs. Apart from naturally occurring substances like mushrooms and peyote, these are a fairly new phenomenon. Out of the dugs mentioned thus far...these are the worst for you. Taking drugs such as LSD can cause a brain hemorrhage (i.e. your brain literally bleeds). The effect of these drugs are immediate and negatively impact your core thought process. Again these also damages the liver. They also taint your spinal fluid and brain (i.e. every time you use these, you literary become stupider). These should not be legal due to the damage they cause on your brain and nervous system.

Narcotics and the rest. No way to get around these. They are newer sensation and are extremely dangerous and unhealthy. Things like opium, cocaine, meth, heroin all fall into this group. While under the influence, these can incapacitate you or drive you to completely irrational judgment and behavior. You're barely human in this state. Parts of your brain are either firing rapidly or shutting down. These kinds of drugs usually deteriorate your health very VERY rapidly. They kill you, whether slowly or outright. I believe that these should not be acceptable under ANY circumstances. Period.

Now, aprat from the actual drugs themselves, they create an indirect, but extremely negative effect on society. This is aside from the family and peer dilemma. It goes much further than that. I don't think many of you here can fathom the kind of violent force that drug trafficking creates. People like Pablo Escobar have killed thousands to simply maintain his "business." Thousands are killed by violence every year in places like Columbia, Afghanistan, Venezuela, and the Philippines...all just for drugs. It happens here in the US and Canada too. Did you know that drug traffickers grow hidden marijuana crops in places like Sequoia National Park, the Canadian Rockies, and in the wildernesses of the Pacific Northwest. They protect these crops with FULLY AUTOMATIC RIFFLES. Hikers and unweary passerbys have been threatened and even killed because they stumbled upon these crops. This even happened with prohibition, and is the precise reason why it was abolished. However, rum-running did not threaten the very stability of a county and economy. Many drugs however have.
 
Actually, the opium poppy came from Mesopotamia and Egypt roughly 5000 years ago. I am against opium because it is more often used to make far worse things than simply a smoking additive.
 
Pretty much I'm with the Quinny dude on this one. Weedheads are not walking around breaking into cars fiending for a fix, methheads are. Crackheads are the ones runinn the streets with guns in their hands, robbing people and homes to support their addiction. As a friend of mine said "Weed deals are done with handshakes. Coke deals are done with guns" I smoke weed, and this next part is not a "ALL PRAISE ME!" sorta thing.. but I smoke pot, I have a near 4.0 GPA, I don't drive when I'm entirely too high, I work, and I manage to keep my life in order. How many people do this who smoke weed? Well maybe that's the issue, but let's be realistic.. to place weed into athe same category as coke, heroin, or any of the hard street drugs is absurd. LSD and the other psychadelics are what they are... and have been taken since fairly new times and are not healthy for you, but if someone wants to see cool colors and see shit, so be it.. I'm not stopping him.

I go back to be very anti-prohibition TO A CERTAIN POINT. Do i think everyone should walk around smoking a joint? NO, because not everyone will be able to control their use and WILL become that low life stereotypical stoner that you hear about. Be real with what you're doing, be real with yourself. Take responsibility for what it is you do and choose to do. And for those who don't use... that's more than fine with me... but don't raise yourself up simply because someone wants to light up a spliff every once and a while. I find it relaxing, very mellow, and thought provoking... not to mention very peaceful. None of these things are too bad for me, or for the people who don't use. My use does not harm anyone, though I do admit I should not drive, although if I feel I'm at a point where I physically know I should not drive.. I won't. Weed doesn't stunt my decision making, alcohol does.

Basically, be anti-drug if you want, be pro-drug if you want.. but make sure your actions are simply your own and do NOT harm anyone else... Don't end up on the streets making a successful person pay for your ass. Don't shoot someone or break into shit because you're such a junkie you need a fix. There's limits... know them, and obey them.
 
i love it how jiberkid69 said that he wasnt trying to get anyone down but was just curious and then a bloody battle erupts
 
actually - the opium poopy only makes opiate related drugs i.e. heroine/opium/morphine

The cocaine is from the cocoa plant
 
you and quinny are both partially right:

opium is used to make codeine, morphine, and heroin (heroine is a female hero, like Xena)

cocaine comes from the coca plant (not cacao, which is what chocolate is made out of, which im sure you meant when you said cocoa)
 
That link you gave is misleading.

Have you ever met anyone that has tripped acid? You know what they mean when they talk about flashbacks? Flashbacks occur long after a person takes acid. It's when tainted spinal fluid that is stored in the spinal column is released. In effect the person has a mini-trip. Once you take acid, it never completely goes away.

The hallucination you experience is a side effect of your brain reacting to the substance. It's how your brain deals with the poison. Hemorrhages do not occur regularly, but they have happened. It depends both on the individual and the actual dose. Not just for LSD, but for all psychedelics.

They actually do burn out your brain to an extent. I've seen it happen.
 
I have never seen anything to suggest that acid flashbacks have anything to do with the spine or brain hemorages. Link?
 
Meth DOES hurt other people. The labs that produce it can fuck up the area around it. It can hurt people in other apartments, or people that buy the house after. Meth is one of those things that do fuck up this country.
 
It's debated. There is actually nothing conclusive that indicates what causes flashbacks. Thats just one theory. Another theory is that it is a psychotic episode or a misfire in the brain. Another is the idea that it is a perpetual thought stored in the subconscious memory.
 
if you want a reason not to drink than take me for an example. i pissed on a kid while he was fucking sleeping once. other than that i don't have any good stories. but yeah, its not like your gonna fuck up your life so long as you can keep your basic common sense. i mean, i see skiing as way more risky
 
As for hemorrhages, it's also debated for LSD, but it also includes other drugs. Remember LSD is not the only hallucinogenic substance out there. LSD incenses the heart rate and can occasionally, as a consequence, change the blood flow and stimulation in the brain.
 
This is a dependant on the person. LSD can be completely harmless once, but fatal another. LSD is a perfect example of rolling the dice. Rolling dice to see if it has negative effects. I know someone that had wayyy too much and literally thinks he is a glass of orange juice. He has been placed into a mental assylum and can no longer interact with anyone. Go to an assylum and ask them how many people are in there for drug overdoses.

Mushrooms and LSD are POISONS!!! This is automatically drawn to the liver. There is no way that this can NOT have a negative effect on your liver.
 
Little known fact:

In the 1960's the government wanted to experiment with LSD as a possible "soldier" enhancing drug. They set up an area with which they would test these with 2 groups of soldiers. They gave them all guns with blank rounds in them and told them they were going on a training mission. They slipped LSD in their drinks the morning of the mission. The men took their mission too far with the LSD affecting them. I think 10 people died because the LSD caused them to freak out and fight hand to hand when they realized their guns didn't work

The people we are fighting in Iraq also use this tactic. They often shoot up with adrenaline or take LSD to give them superhuman soldier capabilities. With the drugs in them, they literally fight til they die. They can't feel pain and can sometimes be shot 5 or 6 times before they die. They fight ravagely because of these drugs.
 
my bio teacher made a really point on why not to smoke weed, basically goes like this.

its pretty much established that 1. smoking weed is bad for you, at least to some extent, and 2. not all people who have smoked up have enjoyed it.

so he basically said that, he wasnt gonna try something that hes either not gonna like and waste money on, or at 'best', really like something thatll be detrimental to his health, and that he'd end up doing more.

i dont have any problem with other people doing it though, i pretty much just find them funny for the most part. the only time i really got bothered by people on drugs was back when a bunch of guys who were on shrooms came to my house, and absolutely reeked of sweat and other terribleness.
 
i dont do it because i was raised not to do it, this is an impossible argument because the kids who dont do it have their reasons for it being bad and the kids who do it, insist that its fine. i think kids who blaze ALL the time are fucking stupid, like sure every once and a while isnt bad but is it just because they need the high?

could they live without it?

thats one question that always bewilders me is how they all say, "i could quit right now". i want to see some kid who blazes like 1 time a day or whatever, quit, right away, and stick to it.
 
congragulations wyatt u sounded relly smart. but ya i saw this one documentery called "GRASS" i didnt see much. and the whole race thing. it was also cuz the mexicans were bringing it in and they did it the most. so you were also supporting the mexicans.

o ya and jibberkid. nice icon
 
you are soooooo fucking dumb man. first off... almost impossible to o.d. on these, people have taken thumb prints of lsd that consist of hundreads of doses.

two don't be fucking retarded show me one spec of evidence showing "brain bleeding" or "spinal fluid tainting" and dip shit they don't fuck with your organs...

sorry i just can't stand people talking bs.
 
after finishing this thread out wow... people are un real i can't believe the orange juice story... every one and thier brother knows that one.

and you guys are dumb as hell and no nothing about psychedelics...
 
God have mercy on your soul...

I pray that you don't think you can't od on acid. You sir are a complete moron for believing this.

Some kid I know had a huge sheet of LSD. There was like 4 of them hanging out using the tabs. He got really tripped out and wanted them to wash him down with a hose because he was extremely hot. He still had acid sheets stuck to him and they hosed him down. Acid can go through the skin pores too so he got a wayyy too heavy dose and now he sits in an asylum thinking he's a glass of orange juice. He can't have anyone touch him or he thinks he will tip over and spill. One of the most messed up things I have ever seen.

So please, don't be like this kid and think you are invincible. I got a reality check. While drugs don't hurt some people's minds, they absolutely destroy others.
 
Yes, I know nothing. I have only witnessed this kid who lived 3 miles from me. You can come to the asylum in Dover, NH and ask to see Matt Richardson.
 
im basically what would be called straightedge, but drugs dont bother me at all really. well i mean like weed and shrooms. meth and coke and all the "hard" stuff isnt cool. i honestly dont know why i dont smoke. everyone thinks im high al the time, and my brother is a pretty hardcore stoner to say the least. its just not my thing, but ive got no problem with people that do it. and if i did decide to smoke, i would be able too get good weed. and people cant trick me. my friends tried to make a trick bag and i could tell it was ake without even smelling it, so its not like im scared, i just dont want to.

im not a big fan of alchohol though. its mostly because of my dad. hes basically been drunk for the last 10 years straight. he got out of jail over year ago, and he was sleeping on my moms couch (my parents are divorced) untill about 2 weeks ago. we had to tell him when he needed to shower. he was always depressed. he wouldnt eat. he was paranoid. hes a mess. and its all from alchoholism. im not sayin EVERYONE that drinks is this way, but its just my reason for not drinking.
 
It might depend on the person and how addictive their personality is, but weed is not a physically addicting drug. To prove my point, I will use myself as an example. This past summer, I was smoking quite a bit. I'd say about once or twice a day all summer. Then winter comes around and I get drug tested for ski racing. I quit about a month before the test and it was easy. Ya, I wanted a joint every now and then, but I knew that it wasn't worth it to smoke so I didn't. So all winter I havn't smoked and it's been fine. I plan on starting smoking again soon, but not because I have to or I'll start shaking. I just like smoking and don't see anything wrong with it.
 
I'm in college bud. I've see it everywhere first hand. You can't tell me anything about drugs being bad for you. I have a good friend that has done large amounts of shrooms and acid. I've known this kind a long time. I can see the change in him. It basically numbs him. Less sharp, more mellow, loss of reaction time, he even speaks slower than he used to. He went through a lot of fucked up shit when he was a kid, mostly family problems. He went to drugs. Psychedelics are his preferred medium. He's still a great kid and I hang out with him a lot, but I can clearly see him being deluded as a person. Bullfuckingshit they aren't harmful. I've seen it with my own two fucking eyes. I've personally had a very bad experience with...get ready for this...weed. Plain ordinary weed. Believe it? Of course not. You never would because your own perspective and scope is stubborn and limited. Drugs effect you mind in a profound way. The experience itself can feel amazing, but there is always the comedown. And if you have a bad experience, it will change your life in ways you can barely imagine. It's not to be taken lightly and shouldent be treated as such. Take your rose tinted glasses off.
 
straight edgers persecute others for drugs/sex/alcohol. But you've got the right idea. THe majority of this site chooses to look down on people for smoking, drinking etc. But half of them don't even have a legitimate opinion, and say things like, d.a.r.e. told me so or, ooooooo, look what teensfacts.org says. its bullshit. People that present good arguments, thank you. those that don't, try to learn more about your subject.
 
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