tyler why are u such a douche, u tell me u work at a shop and know everythuing about every twin tiop ski, but u come on here making like 50 threads about which ski is better for park, the karma or the pipe cleaner? of course the pipe cleaner is better u little shit, learn ur crap b4 u come on here making the biggest noob threads. and line skis dont suck, line is the most progressive company on the market and they make quality skis, there just having problems because some punk rock fool is sueing them for putting his graphics ion a sick ski.