another stupid post about the iraq conflict

we aren't just looking for nukes, it's weapons of mass destruction, such as nerve gas and mustard goas and other missiles or bombs

-Chris Peck
 
ya nukes are wepons of mass destruction, none the less no proof of there existence, his other weponary is weak. he has small amount of 1950's fighter planes and tanks. Ever play splinter cell? its pretty cool

Timbo Jones isnt even my real name.
 
The U.S. is pretty confident that Saddam doesn't have nukes... but he'd be happy to get them. We also know he has been working on a nuke, but that's not our primary concern. It's the anthrax, nerve gas, chemical agents etc... that are much more readily obtained than a nuke. And from what I know there is a good chance he has one or more from that group... but not nukes.

- Brian

 
you guys dont know shit.....you just speculate based on what you have heard. you dont know what saddam does and doesnt have. you dont know that it would take them 10 years to make a nuke (or did you just call up saddam on the phone and talk to him about it?) and mustard gas and tear gas are not weapons of mass destruction morons. and we are worried about bioweapons more than we are chemical weapons because they are much harder to obtain than bio weapons are. plus anyone and their brother can whip up a batch of antrax, botulism, etc....

Taste Death. Live Life.
 
The thing that sux in general is that we are completly clueless to any attacks we could get,the only almost definate info ive heard about the next terrorist attack is that its gonna happen on the east coast.

Timbo Jones isnt even my real name.
 
timbo....you are seriously retarded. well in any case i hope the terrorists attack where ever you live so that it puts an end to your gay posts.

Taste Death. Live Life.
 
'plus anyone and their brother can whip up a batch of antrax, botulism, etc...'

So it's safe to say you... and your brother whipped up a batch the other night?

Or are you just saying stuff based on what you've heard... speculating was the term right?

- Brian

 
really JIB_THIS? who told you they knew they were going to be used for that? we also sell f-16s to countless other countries my friend, but guess what...if its used negatively then guess what?!?! we are clear to engage and eliminate. if i sell you a gun and then you shoot at me guess what buddy?!?! i am gonna return fire. your argument sucks! and guess what???? there wouldnt be mcdonalds all over the world if there wasnt a demand for them!!!!!!!!! somebody is keeping them in business!!! the muslim world has always resented the west because of our seemingly capitalistic means. its nothing new...and its either us or somebody else. and since it is us(THE USA)that take on the role of top dawg we are faced with the shit storm. you have to understand we(USA) didnt equip anybody with weapons whether it was the taliban or saddam for FREE. we sold them....and if they didnt buy from us then they would have bought from somebody else. and either way we(USA) would have gone in and helped things if the weapons were being used in a negative manner. so either we make some money and then act as humanitarians or we dont make money and we still act as humanitarians. the choice is easy for me to see.

Taste Death. Live Life.
 
SUpilot making fun of someone online is like the special olympics, even if you win your still retarded

Timbo Jones isnt even my real name.
 
nope it is true....anyone and their brother could whip up a batch. its been done by students at colleges all over the world. anyone with some sort of knowledge or internet connection can make it and that is why it is so dangerous. you dont even need a expensive lab to do it. whip up some anthrax and put it in an aerosol can and there you go...you have a bioweapon capable of killing masses of people.

Taste Death. Live Life.
 
SUpilot call alkida there number is 1800 EAT SHIT

ands tell your mom to shave her back

Timbo Jones isnt even my real name.
 
I think I just realized that we have the same opinion on iraq, yet we're arguing over how we came to that opinion? I don't know... I read your post about selling weapons and came to that conclusion.

- Brian

 
If I sell someone a gun, then they use it to shoot at me, I have a 'right' to shoot back...Ok, fine. Of course, don't sell them the gun, and chances are they won't get one from anywhere else, because there's NO OTHER COUNTRY that manufactures/exports weapons like the US. You're right, if there's no demand for McDonalds/Disney/any other US 'culture' maker, there's no market for it, so they don't expand. I wasn't clear enough about that. The problem that so many people have with the west(The US in particular, even most of Europe and Canada) is that they CREATE a false need/demand for their 'cultural' products. It doesn't help that US 'cultural products' are much much much cheaper than producing your own(Example, buying one episode of an american made tv show in say, africa, is cheaper than producing ONE MINUTE of your own tv show...). Many people resent that, and other things about the west, particularly the US, and turn it into a hatred towards western civilization in general. Now, on the topic of the whole selling of weapons then making money, then looking like humanitarians when you go back and undo the harm you've done: Would they have bought weapons somewhere else? Perhaps, but it's pretty unlikely, considering that the US is by far the #1 country in the world when it comes to making them. And YES, the US(and other arms suppliers, I'm sure there were other SMALL ones.) knew of what was being done with them. So, what you're saying, SU Pilot, could basically be summed up in this commom playground situation: Some smartass kid(the US) gives the bully(iraq) rocks to throw at the wussiest kid there, then he(The US) thinks it's ok. 5 years later, when the three kids are in high school, the kid(The US) who screwed the wussy kid(whoever, it doesn't matter) goes back to the bully(Iraq), who by now is inevitably slow, corrupt, and likely to get beat up, and kicks the shit out of him, to the point where the bully(Iraq) is in a coma. Is the kid(The US) who beat up the bully a hero, or even a good guy? No, but he might be a moron, and perhaps even a hypocrite. Going around solving the problems you had a huge part in creating doesn't make you a hero, or a humanitarian. Let's not forget that this war isn't about humanitarianism, it's about making sure that the US doesn't get attacked. The question no one has been able to answer so far, is this: Attacked by what? The terrorists you waged war on, then forgot to finish the job, much like the first Gulf War? The missiles and chemical/biological weapons that Iraq supposedly has, when they have no means of delivering them into your country? Think about it...

And whoever corrected me about the Soviet Union thing was right. I should have known better. The Soviet Union tried to invade Afghanistan, not Russia. The difference is that the Soviet Union was communist, which starts off a whole other debate...

Message to: Jib_This

Message from: NewO

Date Sent: 2003-02-11 17:33:01

ur a dumb shit

'i'm not too bright sometimes, when i turn my mind off school'

Nolan, after I reminded him of what a verb in the past tense was.
 
well even though we have different opinions and somehow you know for sure that nobody else would sell to a rogue nation if we hadn't, your analogy of the school yard was of no relevance in regards to the US Iraq conflict. think about it, ha. it was funny to read, but maybe you just meant it as a joke to spark up some humor in the thread. you have to separate what you WANT to believe and what you know(or in everyones case here what you have heard). you state opinions based on what you THINK might have happened etc....am i not right? what I have stated is not opinionated. they are clear cut facts of economics. that cannot be denied.

Taste Death. Live Life.
 
Oh, and yes, I do know that the Russia is the same country as the Soviet Union, minus a few breakaway republics. Just in case someone felt like pointing that out.

Message to: Jib_This

Message from: NewO

Date Sent: 2003-02-11 17:33:01

ur a dumb shit

'i'm not too bright sometimes, when i turn my mind off school'

Nolan, after I reminded him of what a verb in the past tense was.
 
I think you missed something there. I don't know for sure that no one else would have sold weapons to a 'rogue nation', but what I do know is that the US did more than just sell them weapons. They armed them because it helped them out. They armed Iraq because they didn't like Iran at the time(that's changed to a certain extent, now the US is trying to use Iran as a base for some of its invading forces), and they armed Bin Laden(who was known as a terrorist at the time) because it saved the US the trouble of sending its own troops in to defend afghanistan from the communist Soviet Union(a whole other debate, like I said before). You also unfortunately missed the playground analogy too. Let me repeat the point: Going in to 'fix' the damage and problems you've had a HUGE hand in causing doesn't make you a hero, or a humanitarian. It makes you something else, and different people will have different opinions on that is.

And no, I do not state opinions based on what I 'Think' might have happened, I've had to study this conflict, and others, from a communications/foreign policy/cultural/left wing(I'll admit it...) point of view, as I've studied many other things from the same point of view. I wouldn't come here and write down a bunch of crap if I wasn't at least somewhat educated about what went on before it happened, and what's going on today, as I'm sure you wouldn't either. If you don't like what I'm saying, that's ok. But try countering it by attacking the evidence, not the author. I had to learn that the hard way, and it's a shitty way to lose an argument.

Message to: Jib_This

Message from: NewO

Date Sent: 2003-02-11 17:33:01

ur a dumb shit

'i'm not too bright sometimes, when i turn my mind off school'

Nolan, after I reminded him of what a verb in the past tense was.
 
keep your opinions. your entitled to that. america is evil. we want to take over the world. you know what....i think we need to come up with a list of all of the humanitarian contributions that each country has made to the rest of the world and it should also show bad things countries have done. I CAN GUARANTEE YOU 100% THAT THE USA WILL HAVE THE MOST OFFSET RATIO OF ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD(GOOD:BAD). its easy for everyone to bitch and moan about the imperialistic american bastards and their stupid president (I HEARD DUMB PEOPLE GRADUATE FROM YALE), but man if people are in trouble then its like where the hell is the USA???????....why aren't those bastards helping us??

Taste Death. Live Life.
 
If you go back and read, you'll notice a few things. I've never called the US 'evil', 'evil doing', or 'evil doers'. Those terms are part of what is known as 'loaded language', which is used by those in power(usually) to resonate with the public, make them remember other things/people that were 'evil'(IE it's an interesting, easy, and deceitful way of drawing parallels between those you are calling 'evildoers' and genocidal maniacs like those who've been in power in Germany, Cambodia, and other places). You'll also notice that I've never gone ahead and said something like 'Bush is evil' or 'Bush is stupid'. First off, I don't know whether or not he is evil(whatever that means), and secondly, calling him stupid is too easy(He didn't know that Brasil was home to the second largest African population, after Africa, of course, and actually asked Brasilian leaders whether or not they had black people, like the US. Just one example...), not to mention that it doesn't bring anything to the discussion.

Has the US done many good things, humanitarianly speaking? Sure, so have a lot of other countries. And yes, the US and its industries are the first to try and exploit the third world markets around the world. Guess what, that leads to bitterness, anger, and eventually hatred and violence. Yes, part of the problem is religious bias. Yes, part of the problem is western profiteering. But the biggest problem is that we just don't seem to care for anyone other than ourselves, and don't seem to care about anything but our own interests(I might have just repeated myself...). Once again, I sincerely believe that the world's countries need a frank, open, and comprehensive discussion about the problems it faces, with EVERY COUNTRY BEING INCLUDED, and every country having a fair shot at discussing what their problems are. Hopefully, we'd get a comprehensive plan with solutions in place to solve the biggest problems, and promises to come back and work on the other ones. But I guess that's too complicated to happen...And if the world wonders where the US is when it's in trouble, it's because the US put itself in that position, militarily and financially.

Of course, it's not quite that simple, but if you want a 20 page research essay, organize a scheme thereby which I'd get a university course credit, and I'll write you one.

Message to: Jib_This

Message from: NewO

Date Sent: 2003-02-11 17:33:01

ur a dumb shit

'i'm not too bright sometimes, when i turn my mind off school'

Nolan, after I reminded him of what a verb in the past tense was.
 
'the US and its industries are the first to try and exploit the third world markets around the world'---that is definately not fact. that is your opinion, which is clouded by the fact that you have negative feelings towards the US. Admittingly we do exploit markets, BUT other countries do TOO just as readily, if not more, than the USA does. you also depict america in regards to its capitalistic means and unfortunately that is why many people hate americans. do you think americans endorse actions made by microsoft and nike?....of course NOT!!! we disprove of it just as much as you non-americans, if not more. survival of the fittest isnt it? people generalize and stereotype all americans as a result of what their corpers do, which is too bad. americans are good people and we want to help people just as much as the next person. if not going to war was an option then surely we would take it. unfortunately (alas NATO finally sided) that is not the case and there are other countries also supporting the US...soon to be UN actions. 130,000+. 130,000+. are you not human?

Taste Death. Live Life.
 
uhh, i don't even know what you're arguing anymore, but i thought i'd come in and add my 2 cents. feel free to tell me that i'm an idealist, cynic, or whatever other descriptive term you feel appropriate to attach to my views..

but ya, 1 - saying that other nations also exploit 3rd world markets, and that therefore it isn't as bad that the US does it is completely ridiculous. in my opinion, this is the root of the problem. our lifestyles need to be adjusted in order for our survival. end of story. 2 - the US seemed to have everything under control.. until the bush administration came onto the scene, and decided it would be a good idea to take funding from all areas, except the military. (what was it, something like a $3B increase in funding?). now, n korea gets very little, if anything.. and alas, they're becoming a dissident state.

so what's my point? i don't know.. i'm against war. i'm against the never-ending conquest by the USA. i'm against the supposed installation of a democracy in the middle-east. (one which, might i add, has very little chance of becoming stable, given the instability of the entire region). all in all, i'm siding with france nationalists when they express opinions that are backed by experiences of war. these experiences bring knowledge. knowledge that GWB/US is enitirely lacking. our world is slowly becoming rotten.. unfortunately one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch in this case. (my apologies for the cliche)

 
Here's where I get lost...

Ok, Bush obviously doesn't care about the UN, so he will move without permission. He HAS troops in the area, and so do his supporters. The American people are almost totally united in the war effort, and Iraq doesn't stand a chance against the American war machine. Bush can only initiate minor skirmishes until he gets a united congresss (er something, gimme a break, I'm not American), and he won his mid-term (?) election by a landslide, so that's no problem. So why doesnt he move now? What's stopping him? Is he trying to *GASP* JUSTIFY *GASP* his motives? Is he trying to look the hero? Why these many months in limbo? Perhaps someone can give me some reasons.

One more thing. Give me ONE major humanitarian act that the US has performed in the last 10 years. Well, uhh, you invaded Afghanistan! And liberated all the people! Well, you killed more civillians than terrorists, and you left the country in shambles. You left it so that terrorists could just walz right back in and take over. Canada is at least showing some sense by sending peacekeeping forces over to try and REBUILD the country.

One more thing. US based corporations probably account for more than 90% of all exploited children/people on the planet.

One more thing. I don't understand people's reconing about this war. The idea that is thrown around quite a bit is that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. Well, if that justifies the war than lets all attack the United States! First of all, they haven't complied with THEIR OWN deal to limit the amount of functional nuclear warheads, and they have kept the only known strand of smallpocks alive (if it werent for you guys, smallpocks would be eliminated from the planet). I don't know about you guys, but I think that THOSE are weapons of mass destruction...

 
'i'm siding with france nationalists when they express opinions that are backed by experiences of war.'

French nationalists... war experience... What war experience exactly? Indochina? Or maybe WWII? What am I missing.

- Brian

 
You know, I had a HUGE rant all written, and then I killed it. I'm going to keep it simple.

130 000+ Kurds killed, with American weapons, American money, American satellite imagery, and American/world complicity(that means that you were in on it. Yes you were, cuz the world knew about it and NO ONE, including your righteous government, did ANYTHING ABOUT IT. To make it worse, you sold Iraq weapons TO MAKE MONEY). Yet now those 130 000 people are an excuse for war???What about doing something about it BEFORE they were all killed???

If not going to war was an option, the US would take it: Why is war an option? The small stockpile of weapons Saddam Hussein may have? He can't use them against you, he has no way of hitting your country. Of course your government is worried about innocent civilian deaths, but then it wasn't 10-15 years ago, was it? NO, it wasn't. The terrorist threat? There's ZERO proof that Hussein and Bin Laden have ANYTHING to do with each other, and a lot of evidence, including their respective religious differences, that they in fact DO NOT WANT to have anything to do with each other. The recent Bin Laden tape said NOTHING about them being allies, but it did reiterate Bin Laden and Al-Quaeda's hatred of the West. The fact that terrorists could get a hold of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, then plan some kind of horrible attack on the US? Fine, I'll give you that one, but remember this: Russia has the biggest stockpile of weapons grade nuclear material, and it's under pretty crappy security. They barely pay their scientists, when they do at all, and to make it worse the US pledged and signed off on millions of dollars worth of disposal help, to get rid of that material. Then, the US reneged on its commitment, leaving tons of nuclear material almost ripe for the taking. Didn't know that did you? Is the US planning on blowing the shit out of Russia to destroy a threat from weapons of mass destruction anytime soon? Don't think so...

Do many people hate America because of its capitalistic, imperialistic tendencies? Yes. Am I one of them? Not really. I don't like how the system works, I think it could do more to serve the needs of more of the earth's population, and I think it could do more to let local cultures develop. But do I hate it? No, that would be stupid and hypocritical of me. It's that system that has brought me 99% of the opportunities I have today, including the opportunity to go skiing 3-4 days a week(when I'm not injured, of course), not to mention the rights I enjoy, including the right to bitch about it wherever I want, whether it be on a street corner, in a lecture hall, or online @ newschoolers.com. It's also that capitalistic/imperialistic system that gives me so many problems/opportunities to make things work better in the future, and I'd like to believe that I can make a difference in regards to those.

Just so you know, NATO didn't side to say 'we're going to war', they sided to say 'yes, we are going to put up forces to protect Turkey, one of our allies who will most likely get attacked if there is a war'. And soon to be UN action? Says who? There are 3 countries with vetoes that are vociferously oppose war with Iraq, that being France, Germany, and China. As long as one of those countries is willing to veto any UN resolution, there will be no UN led action on war in Iraq.

Last thing: Am I human? Yes I am. I know that 130 000+ Kurds were murdered, 10-15 years ago, with the complicity of the world, and the US government, in particular. I also know that the UN has imposed such crippling sanctions on Iraq that it has DEVOLVED into a country that is now worse to live in than it was before the first Gulf War. Saddam Hussein can't feed his people if he can't import food, can he? The iraqi hospitals cannot help people if they aren't allowed to import medicine because it could have a dual purpose(ie used for making weapons OR curing disease/helping in medical procedures), and finally, I realize that another war will RUIN Iraq and its people, and that much like in Afghanistan, the US government will almost abandon them once they are done 'rooting out evil'(I believe that's a direct Bush quote), instead of staying in like they claim they will now, to set up a regime more in touch with US needs. I'd write more, but I have other things to do, and I'm starting to feel like I'm just not making any difference at all.

Message to: Jib_This

Message from: NewO

Date Sent: 2003-02-11 17:33:01

ur a dumb shit

'i'm not too bright sometimes, when i turn my mind off school'

Nolan, after I reminded him of what a verb in the past tense was.
 
you make a good argument Jib (and you appear to have intellect unlike many fools here), but i guess we will never agree because it comes down to beliefs and our own interpretations of events that have taken place. i guess all we can do now is watch and see what events take place.

Taste Death. Live Life.
 
Dude, you're right. Whatever happens, I guess we'll get to see a kickass fireworks show.

Unfortunately we might be the ones blowing up...Scary thought isn't it?

Message to: Jib_This

Message from: NewO

Date Sent: 2003-02-11 17:33:01

ur a dumb shit

'i'm not too bright sometimes, when i turn my mind off school'

Nolan, after I reminded him of what a verb in the past tense was.
 
*I'd like to point out the lack of name calling, swearing, and stupidity in this thread. A couple of isolated 'poopy head' comments aside(let's face it, 'poopy head' is funny), there's been no real stupidity shown. Much disagreement, much arguing even, but no name calling or other such stupid things. It's kinda refreshing, isn't it?

Message to: Jib_This

Message from: NewO

Date Sent: 2003-02-11 17:33:01

ur a dumb shit

'i'm not too bright sometimes, when i turn my mind off school'

Nolan, after I reminded him of what a verb in the past tense was.
 
haha, alkida, that is some funny shit, haha, alkida, HAHAHA, crack up

~~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~~

#Cut the Jibba Jabba Crazy Fools! Start Skiing!#

*Be greatful, everyday, for snow, mountains, gravity and skiing*

@Talent Is Important, But Image Is God!@

%Jesus Is My Homeboy%
 
You know what's really really good?

Jello.

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A scholar's ink lasts longer than a martyrs blood - Irish proverb

''One should respect public opinion insofar as is necessary to avoid starvation and keep out of prison, but anything that goes beyond this is voluntary submission to an unnecessary tyranny.''

-Bertrand Russel

 
All of this arguing is of no consequence anyways. If a war were to occur, it would be over in 2 weeks. The US does not have the money to sustain it any longer. It would consist of strategic A to G strikes on Iraqi military bases and airstrips. American troops would be in Baghdad with hardly any resistance. I shouldn't even care, because I'm not worried about being conscripted into something I don't believe in.

I also resent SUpilot's remark about us all being fools. Oh my god, I don't condone the merciless slaughter of human beings! I must be a fool!

 
word to that anson, it would be a quick attack and the warfare would last under 2 weeks, we probably already have splinter cells and elite military groups right in bahgdad scoping it out.

Timbo Jones isnt even my real name.
 
I enjoy jello. It's tasty.

Message to: Jib_This

Message from: NewO

Date Sent: 2003-02-11 17:33:01

ur a dumb shit

'i'm not too bright sometimes, when i turn my mind off school'

Nolan, after I reminded him of what a verb in the past tense was.
 
'The US does not have the money to sustain it any longer.' so wrong...so very wrong. please tell me you didnt say that based on your knowledge of the current state of our economy. P.S. i didnt prescribe you with the title 'fool' (it was in general), and i can say that a smart person would not take offense to that because they know they are smart. you on the other took offense, lol.

Taste Death. Live Life.
 
Yeah, pudding sets real quick. So if you hungry, you can be like 'I'm hungry' and then eight minutes later you can say 'Mmmmm Mmmmm... this pudding sure is good.'

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A scholar's ink lasts longer than a martyrs blood - Irish proverb

''One should respect public opinion insofar as is necessary to avoid starvation and keep out of prison, but anything that goes beyond this is voluntary submission to an unnecessary tyranny.''

-Bertrand Russel

 
Upon actually reading jib's post, I agree.

But one part that seemed very true was the paragraph about the US's economic system. I've long hated the US for the ignorant rich who rule it, but I've always also drawn a blank when questioned about where I fall, considering I'm an upper-middle class Canadian and raised teenager. Until recently, I haven't really been able to say why I hated America in my own words, until I discovered that it wasn't America that I hated, but rather the ignorance of the bourgeoisie; a plaugue to humanity all their existence. Or course, we can't just hate them, we have to try to educate them. But how?

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A scholar's ink lasts longer than a martyrs blood - Irish proverb

''One should respect public opinion insofar as is necessary to avoid starvation and keep out of prison, but anything that goes beyond this is voluntary submission to an unnecessary tyranny.''

-Bertrand Russel

 
SUpilot, you just called me a fool. Don't be a hypocrite. When I 'know that I am smart' I am just being overconfident and cocky. Quite a bit like the Americans. I hate America because I am a communist, and America condemned communism before they fully understood it. However, so did most of the world, so I guess I should spread the fun. In case you didn't notice, SUpilot, Iraq is far from the US, there is an Ocean in the way, along with many other countries. It takes cash to send soldiers, tanks, jeeps and whatnot that far, and it takes cold hard bones to keep em fed. That gets costly after a while. They should be spending the money on social healthcare and education rather than all that killing.

 
i didnt say it wouldnt be costly...i also didnt say we shouldn't be spending our money on more important things. i also didnt say you were a fool, you said i said you were a fool and that is okay with me...if you think you are a fool then more power to ya. also the US doesnt use Jeeps anymore either. i guess living in a communist country would be cool as long as you dont mind being somebody bitch, in which you have no chance to get ahead etc...(isnt capitalism great!). P.S. have you noticed the communists trends lately, lol?

Taste Death. Live Life.
 
AHEM!

I hope YOU don't think that you're smart...

My politial beliefs are communist. I sit at the extreme left end of the political spectrum. I live in Canada. The trend of communism eh? Did you know that China is a communist nation? Sure they are dirt poor, and overpopulated, but dear god let me tell, they are coming back. The GPD is far higher than any other country, and their GPD per capita is steadily rising. Western civilization is but a blip in the big picture. The biggest mistake Russia ever made was to switch to some piffy democrasy. The only reason that capitalism is so effective is that the mentality of the people is that of survival of the fittest. In stead of letting our homeless go hungry, our sick die, and out children go uneducated, we should share all, and live as one large family. Yes I'm a communist! Name ONE bad thing about it!

I don't really care what the US uses anymore, I'm not a fan of violence, nor do I plan to enlist in the military.

 
Im cool with that.communism can work out and has, but it sticks out in my head as being ran by dictators as china and russia have been. I've heard of farming communes and Hippy communes but those are smaller scale communists rather than contrys, but i dont know tha much about it

Timbo Jones isnt even my real name.
 
so you dont have a problem with working harder than everybody else and still getting paid the same as the laziest person?

Taste Death. Live Life.
 
I see the one negative that stands out in communism and it is the lack of freedom, the lack of electing ones own gov't.......and that sticks out to me greatly and that is why I would never be a communist

Taste Death. Live Life.
 
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