Another Malaysian Airlines jet goes missing.

Different airline this time, and a much smaller plane but still. Makes you wonder what happened this year when every other recent year has gone so well in aviation.
 
I just recently flew through that part of the world, and I must say with the crazy amount of changing airspace it is not hard for a jet and ATC to have some pretty big communication issues. weak radios, most controllers speak very minimal english and only enough to get by. and they usually speak their native language when communicating with pilots that also speak it. so it is hard to tell what other jets are doing and their intentions.

I heard a jet and ATC get into it because he flew into Japanese air space yet the pilot spoke very poor english along with the controller and did not speak Japanese.

So that is my response to the how can ATC loose a jet, it is a lot harder than many think.

now for a jet to completely go black, the pilot would have to turn off all radios, radar, and stop squaking. squak basically sends out a signal that gets detected by other jets and ATC.

that is highly unlikely to happen without someone noticing.

The sad part is is that if a jet were to completely just fall off the radar immediately, it more than likely had a manifold fail or something else that caused it to explode in the air.

Even if the pilots were to both go hypoxic they would still be on radar and squaking so ATC could follow them until the plane landed/crashed.
 
Last time I flew Malaysian airlines, I didn't shower first. I figured I could just wash up on shore.
 
13277901:.RYAN66 said:
I just recently flew through that part of the world, and I must say with the crazy amount of changing airspace it is not hard for a jet and ATC to have some pretty big communication issues. weak radios, most controllers speak very minimal english and only enough to get by. and they usually speak their native language when communicating with pilots that also speak it. so it is hard to tell what other jets are doing and their intentions.

I heard a jet and ATC get into it because he flew into Japanese air space yet the pilot spoke very poor english along with the controller and did not speak Japanese.

So that is my response to the how can ATC loose a jet, it is a lot harder than many think.

now for a jet to completely go black, the pilot would have to turn off all radios, radar, and stop squaking. squak basically sends out a signal that gets detected by other jets and ATC.

that is highly unlikely to happen without someone noticing.

The sad part is is that if a jet were to completely just fall off the radar immediately, it more than likely had a manifold fail or something else that caused it to explode in the air.

Even if the pilots were to both go hypoxic they would still be on radar and squaking so ATC could follow them until the plane landed/crashed.
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That is the funniest thing I've read all year. Well done, I'm crying from laughing so hard.
 
13277901:.RYAN66 said:
I just recently flew through that part of the world, and I must say with the crazy amount of changing airspace it is not hard for a jet and ATC to have some pretty big communication issues. weak radios, most controllers speak very minimal english and only enough to get by. and they usually speak their native language when communicating with pilots that also speak it. so it is hard to tell what other jets are doing and their intentions.

I heard a jet and ATC get into it because he flew into Japanese air space yet the pilot spoke very poor english along with the controller and did not speak Japanese.

So that is my response to the how can ATC loose a jet, it is a lot harder than many think.

now for a jet to completely go black, the pilot would have to turn off all radios, radar, and stop squaking. squak basically sends out a signal that gets detected by other jets and ATC.

that is highly unlikely to happen without someone noticing.

The sad part is is that if a jet were to completely just fall off the radar immediately, it more than likely had a manifold fail or something else that caused it to explode in the air.

Even if the pilots were to both go hypoxic they would still be on radar and squaking so ATC could follow them until the plane landed/crashed.
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And wouldn't a ground based radar be able to pick the thing up if they tried? The actual metal hull, not the planes squack signals. I can understand a brief loss of contact, but this is the second plane that just disappears off the face of the earth an remains untraceable? I don't get it.

And yeah, what suddenly happened? We have higher tech stuff than ever, and we're just losing planes now? How was any year before this so successful?
 
13277901:.RYAN66 said:
I just recently flew through that part of the world, and I must say with the crazy amount of changing airspace it is not hard for a jet and ATC to have some pretty big communication issues. weak radios, most controllers speak very minimal english and only enough to get by. and they usually speak their native language when communicating with pilots that also speak it. so it is hard to tell what other jets are doing and their intentions.

I heard a jet and ATC get into it because he flew into Japanese air space yet the pilot spoke very poor english along with the controller and did not speak Japanese.

So that is my response to the how can ATC loose a jet, it is a lot harder than many think.

now for a jet to completely go black, the pilot would have to turn off all radios, radar, and stop squaking. squak basically sends out a signal that gets detected by other jets and ATC.

that is highly unlikely to happen without someone noticing.

The sad part is is that if a jet were to completely just fall off the radar immediately, it more than likely had a manifold fail or something else that caused it to explode in the air.

Even if the pilots were to both go hypoxic they would still be on radar and squaking so ATC could follow them until the plane landed/crashed.
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My head hurts now.
 
Nothing like seeing this thread after I just dropped my brother off at the airport. atleast hes only flying over the continental US
 
13277913:DrZoidberg said:
And wouldn't a ground based radar be able to pick the thing up if they tried? The actual metal hull, not the planes squack signals. I can understand a brief loss of contact, but this is the second plane that just disappears off the face of the earth an remains untraceable? I don't get it.

And yeah, what suddenly happened? We have higher tech stuff than ever, and we're just losing planes now? How was any year before this so successful?
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This is what I don't get either. I know nothing about aviation, but you'd think with all the technology, and how successful flight has been. WTF is going on now. Shouldn't there be something that is trackable?
 
13278333:twoodwardo said:
This is what I don't get either. I know nothing about aviation, but you'd think with all the technology, and how successful flight has been. WTF is going on now. Shouldn't there be something that is trackable?
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My theory: Asian cultures are below average in regards to the aviation industry.

References: History

Supporting References: Recent history
 
13278396:Dustin. said:
My theory: Asian cultures are below average in regards to the aviation industry.

References: History

Supporting References: Recent history
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AirAsia was pretty decent, until yesterday they kept a clean safety record throughout its years of operations.

Flightglobal's Ascend Fleets database shows only a minor incident (no injuries to passengers nor crew) involving the carrier on 25 May 2007.
 
Maybe I'll take a flight with them if this drives the prices low enough. I bet if you book the day after these stories break you could get a fucking deal.

There should be a travel option like that. Search airlines that have recently had horrific publicity for crashing, burning, or losing planes and killing lots of people. Check.
 
I was in Chicago for work and talked to a retired pilot at a bar who now teaches pilot communication to the major airline companies.

He said that a majority of all plane crashes are caused from poor communication with the pilot/co pilot/air traffic control etc. He also said in Asia Captains have too much power and they rarely get questioned by their co pilots even if they are wrong, which then results in more mistakes.

I just thought it was interesting /coolstoryhansel
 
13277981:NinetyFour said:
The crew over at CNN is going to be fired up no doubt.
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sooo many hashtags and theories from fucking joe schmoes that shouldn't even have a word in situations like this. cant wait.
 
13278401:omnidata said:
AirAsia was pretty decent, until yesterday they kept a clean safety record throughout its years of operations.

Flightglobal's Ascend Fleets database shows only a minor incident (no injuries to passengers nor crew) involving the carrier on 25 May 2007.
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I'm not talking about a single airline, that would never make sense.
 
He said that a majority of all plane crashes are caused from poor communication with the pilot/co pilot/air traffic control etc. He also said in Asia Captains have too much power and they rarely get questioned by their co pilots even if they are wrong, which then results in more mistakes.

Quoting to support my previous point because it's completely true. They suck, and this is a big reason why. Remember the pilots who plowed an airliner into the San Francisco ground after staring at the runway for 5 minutes?
 
13278634:General_Ripper said:
I was in Chicago for work and talked to a retired pilot at a bar who now teaches pilot communication to the major airline companies.

He said that a majority of all plane crashes are caused from poor communication with the pilot/co pilot/air traffic control
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Of course he told you that. If he told you the truth that it was something else, he wouldn't have a job.
 
13278941:JenniferGarner said:
Of course he told you that. If he told you the truth that it was something else, he wouldn't have a job.
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He was retired after like 30 years of being a pilot, and brought back by the major airlines who are paying him enough to get him out of retirement. You don't get pulled out of retirement and payed because you have some bullshit ideas/experience. Seemed pretty knowledgable and I would say as good a source as any not to mention one hell of an interesting dude to have a drink with.
 
13278941:JenniferGarner said:
Of course he told you that. If he told you the truth that it was something else, he wouldn't have a job.
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Your a hard one to agree with.
 
13278918:Dustin. said:
He said that a majority of all plane crashes are caused from poor communication with the pilot/co pilot/air traffic control etc. He also said in Asia Captains have too much power and they rarely get questioned by their co pilots even if they are wrong, which then results in more mistakes.

Quoting to support my previous point because it's completely true. They suck, and this is a big reason why. Remember the pilots who plowed an airliner into the San Francisco ground after staring at the runway for 5 minutes?
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I can totally see this being the case in many far eastern cultures. I'd be stoked as hell if this was just all about piss poor pilots making bad decisions, and that the planes just crashed, but I can't shake the feeling in my gut that there is more to these disappearances. Didn't see anything in this article that said that the transponder was switched off, but it definitely was in the first Malaysian jet. There is no reason to switch off the transponder other than to prevent ATC from knowing where you are going. Anyway, I can't think of any other reason. I know there is no evidence of this happening on the Airasia flight yet, but if everything was still working the plane should be pretty easy to find especially in the area they believe it went down. The searches supposedly resumed this morning.

Related question for you guys: There is so much info online about these different flights. I read some stuff and then check what people are saying about the source to see if it's credible. There is some info floating around that the 370 flight may have been a high tech high jacking. The claim is that the certain things were switched off and back on that could not have been done from the cockpit. Someone would have had to climb down into the Electronics / Equipment Bay and switched them off and on manually. Apparently pilots are not trained on how to do this. Anyway, how do you savvy individuals sift through the bullshit to get to the facts?
 
13279074:cobra_commander said:
I think that the fact that this was an airbus than Air Asia flight. same type of aircraft that went down on the hudson.
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That was US airways 1549. Same exact type of plane, but what brought it down was the engines ingesting a flock of geese at low altitude. This one reminds me more of air France 447, which disappeared over the Atlantic.

Supposedly this air Asia flight flew directly into or over a massive thunderstorm, which generally is a no go. Could also explain why the plane hasn't been found where it was supposed to be. Thunderstorms can knock things around in strange ways.
 
13279085:fujarome said:
That was US airways 1549. Same exact type of plane, but what brought it down was the engines ingesting a flock of geese at low altitude. This one reminds me more of air France 447, which disappeared over the Atlantic.

Supposedly this air Asia flight flew directly into or over a massive thunderstorm, which generally is a no go. Could also explain why the plane hasn't been found where it was supposed to be. Thunderstorms can knock things around in strange ways.
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Scare Bus planes have less redundancy than those held up ion production by Unions in Seattle. They also give the control system the final say in what goes on, not the pilot.
 
13279085:fujarome said:
That was US airways 1549. Same exact type of plane, but what brought it down was the engines ingesting a flock of geese at low altitude. This one reminds me more of air France 447, which disappeared over the Atlantic.

Supposedly this air Asia flight flew directly into or over a massive thunderstorm, which generally is a no go. Could also explain why the plane hasn't been found where it was supposed to be. Thunderstorms can knock things around in strange ways.
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Scare Bus planes have less redundancy than those held up ion production by Unions in Seattle. They also give the control system the final say in what goes on, not the pilot.
 
I fucking hate air planes and fucking hate flying. Fuck that shit and everything being written in this thread.
 
13279120:cobra_commander said:
Scare Bus planes have less redundancy than those held up ion production by Unions in Seattle. They also give the control system the final say in what goes on, not the pilot.
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They do rely more upon the computer, but in most cases with Airbus crashes, the problem has been the pilot doing something wrong.

Take AF447 again for example. The plane knew how to fix the error and even the other pilots knew. Yet for some reason the pilot in command kept pulling back causing the stall to continue.
 
13278461:theabortionator said:
Maybe I'll take a flight with them if this drives the prices low enough. I bet if you book the day after these stories break you could get a fucking deal.
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I've flown with AirAsia, it's already extremely cheap. I think it cost me like $18 to fly from Kuala Lumpur to Singapore, even though it's like a 40 minute flight that's still dirt cheap.

On another note, 2014 actually had the fewest flight crashes in decades. But this doesn't exactly say a lot since the number of passengers on those aircraft can fluctuate immensely. Poor communication seems like a logical reason for the commercial aircraft that have disappeared. Anyways it's pretty sad to hear of this happening, my thoughts are with the families of those who were on board.
 
Missing AirAsia flight: teams retrieve bodies from Java Sea

Indonesian search and rescue teams begin recovering bodies as officials say scattered debris is from missing flight QZ8501.

Teams searching for the missing AirAsia flight QZ8501 have begun recovering bodies from the Java Sea, as Indonesian officials confirmed that scattered debris found nearby came from the plane.

A major search and rescue effort involving at least 30 ships and 15 aircraft from nine countries has been looking for the aircraft since it vanished early on Sunday morning while carrying 162 passengers from Surabaya, Indonesia, to Singapore. The findings mark a breakthrough on the operation's third day.

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/30/missing-airasia-flight-qz8501-teams-retrieve-bodies-java-sea

Well, at least it has been found...
 
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