Just something to add, my buddy was out in Breck this season training with his national team. He became good friends with this chinese guy who is competing in pipe but had only been skiing for 2 months before doing his first unat double 12. He could also do quintuple (5x) lincons on the supertramp at woodward. I guess my point is, if you have the right background, i dont think its actually that difficult to throw dubs and all sorts with a mute grab.