Andri or Wacko

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Wacko (Jackson) Wells made history with the first quad 16 back in September (with steeze)

As you must know, Andri Ragettli tossed the second ever quad (18) at Nine Knights a few days ago

Although Andri's had that extra rotation and was more defined, there are opinions saying Wacko's had the style. Andri did stomp it (which was CRAZy), but personally i didn't really like the last 3 flips. Both are insane skiers who are pushing the boundaries of the sport.

What do y'all thank
 
Both were sick for sure, but something about Andri's last two rotations being straight up backflips really took a lot away from it for me. Don't get me wrong, it's insane that he did it, but Wackos just looked better to me. I guess it's comparing apples to oranges anyways.
 
I like the style of the sw quad 1620 but Wacko didn't go as corked on the last one. Andri's was a super legit quad so I'll go with that one.
 
I don't really care if wacko's wasn't as flippy, it looked better. Not really into the spin to win anyways so...
 
13804633:BWalmer said:
Both were sick for sure, but something about Andri's last two rotations being straight up backflips really took a lot away from it for me. Don't get me wrong, it's insane that he did it, but Wackos just looked better to me. I guess it's comparing apples to oranges anyways.
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you can actually compare apples to oranges quite easily, they are both fruits, they are both round, both contain nutrients, they can both be juiced, they both belong to the plantae kingdom.... you get the idea
 
13804633:BWalmer said:
Both were sick for sure, but something about Andri's last two rotations being straight up backflips really took a lot away from it for me. .
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really? interesting. one of my first thoughts was how textbook cork 3 the last two corks were. especially in the shot from below him

not my favorite style of things but i thought he absolutely nailed it and needless to say he stomped it perfectly
 
13804694:Oxcilic said:
I like the style of the sw quad 1620 but Wacko didn't go as corked on the last one. Andri's was a super legit quad so I'll go with that one.
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Totally agree, Wacko was very wobbly at the end, could barely be considered corked. Andri was definitely corked - almost too flippy, some angles looked more cork others more flip.
 
13804644:ski.the.east said:
Wackos 100%

Andris was cork 7 to 3 wackflips, impressive for sure, but not even remotely as cool
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Yeah but wackos was sw 1620 where he lifted his one leg a little bit each time, not really a quad imo
 
13804712:SofaKingSick said:
really? interesting. one of my first thoughts was how textbook cork 3 the last two corks were. especially in the shot from below him

not my favorite style of things but i thought he absolutely nailed it and needless to say he stomped it perfectly
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Those aren't cork threes in anyway. They are wack flips, aka flat 3s, aka off axis back flips.
 
13804712:SofaKingSick said:
one of my first thoughts was how textbook cork 3 the last two corks were
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idk what video you're watching or what you're smoking but those rotations were pretty damn far off from a cork 3. It was a cork 7 into 3 textbook wackflips
 
13804820:hemlockjibber8 said:
Those aren't cork threes in anyway. They are wack flips, aka flat 3s, aka off axis back flips.
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13804861:ski.the.east said:
idk what video you're watching or what you're smoking but those rotations were pretty damn far off from a cork 3. It was a cork 7 into 3 textbook wackflips
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Are you guys serious? ""Wack flips"" are basically backies with your chest opened up to the sky, falling off to the right side like you'd do in a rodeo. The last two on this are dipped to the left, chest to the floor 3s.....like the exact opposite. You wanna hate so badly you're not even bothering to make sense

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13805096:SofaKingSick said:
Are you guys serious? ""Wack flips"" are basically backies with your chest opened up to the sky, falling off to the right side like you'd do in a rodeo. The last two on this are dipped to the left, chest to the floor 3s.....like the exact opposite. You wanna hate so badly you're not even bothering to make sense

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o2Q5jtt
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Blowing it on the screen grabs, shit..I blame my phone. Here are the links at least
http://imgur.com/bFENlfQ
http://imgur.com/o2Q5jtt
 
They both did quads (wackos was way cooler tho). That's craaaaaaazy. How legit they were is up for debate. But something to remember is that wacko decided midair that he was gonna go for quad.
 
imo wacko's wasn't really a quad.

the last "cork" in his looks like a "cork" 3 done by some grom kid where he just ducks his head down and sucks his knees up... not corked at all
 
In my opinion I think that tricks are 10x more dope when the "flip" is wobbly rather than a straight invert. Thats why I think that Wacko is such an OG for doing a quad the way he did. Andri is still a badass for doing what he did.
 
13805097:SofaKingSick said:
Blowing it on the screen grabs, shit..I blame my phone. Here are the links at least
http://imgur.com/bFENlfQ
http://imgur.com/o2Q5jtt
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Man how fried are you.

You realize when you come around out of a straight backflip you're belly down like a cork 3. You took screen grabs from the side in the best spot to prove your case, it's gonna look completely different from a side angle especially when you take them when he is coming out of the backflips. The angle from the back that shows the first 3 is best for judging how flippy it is.
 
Also wacko's was way more boss. If you've ever tried a sw cork 5 you'll know what I'm talking about here if not just move on. But the very first sw cork 5 I tried I got to come around to my feet, it was slung like crazy and super flippy. Now 2 seasons later I still don't have them exactly how I want them. It's so damn hard to just do like a sw wobble 5 compared to a really flippy one. Let alone doing 4 wobbles I can't even wrap my head around that. 3 cork's + 1 wobble will forever be doper than 1 cork +3 backflips in my mind.
 
13805468:M.M said:
Man how fried are you.

You realize when you come around out of a straight backflip you're belly down like a cork 3. You took screen grabs from the side in the best spot to prove your case, it's gonna look completely different from a side angle especially when you take them when he is coming out of the backflips. The angle from the back that shows the first 3 is best for judging how flippy it is.
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Disagree. The screen grabs I posted are floppy but are 100% not a straight back flip or wack flip. If any of you think they are then let's not bother arguing trick names haha

Agreed on the wobbles tho, they're scary and hard and wacko's is a really weird and cool way to go about doing a quad. I prefer it to the flippy nature of a andri's but my posts above were just expressing my respect for how corky it was for a forward quad 18
 
13805483:SofaKingSick said:
Disagree. The screen grabs I posted are floppy but are 100% not a straight back flip or wack flip. If any of you think they are then let's not bother arguing trick names haha

Agreed on the wobbles tho, they're scary and hard and wacko's is a really weird and cool way to go about doing a quad. I prefer it to the flippy nature of a andri's but my posts above were just expressing my respect for how corky it was for a forward quad 18
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as in not corky at all? please explain how at least the last two of Andri's weren't wack flips.
 
13805783:hemlockjibber8 said:
as in not corky at all? please explain how at least the last two of Andri's weren't wack flips.
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naw dude wack flips are those things that are basically backies but falling off to the right side, a lot of times with a japan. the last two on andri's were dipped down to the left 3s. you could argue that his last two rotations were ""basically"" backies i guess...

im not saying they were the most textbook corks ever and i get why people say it's too flippy for their taste but idk im impressed
 
13805835:SofaKingSick said:
naw dude wack flips are those things that are basically backies but falling off to the right side, a lot of times with a japan. the last two on andri's were dipped down to the left 3s. you could argue that his last two rotations were ""basically"" backies i guess...

im not saying they were the most textbook corks ever and i get why people say it's too flippy for their taste but idk im impressed
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There is no doubt that I too am impressed.
 
13805835:SofaKingSick said:
naw dude wack flips are those things that are basically backies but falling off to the right side, a lot of times with a japan. the last two on andri's were dipped down to the left 3s. you could argue that his last two rotations were ""basically"" backies i guess...

im not saying they were the most textbook corks ever and i get why people say it's too flippy for their taste but idk im impressed
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I don't think a whackflip absolutely needs to be to the right. I thought whackflip was a derogatory term for whack looking flat 3's that basically are backflips with a japan.
 
13806190:jakelewiski said:
I don't think a whackflip absolutely needs to be to the right. I thought whackflip was a derogatory term for whack looking flat 3's that basically are backflips with a japan.
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i mean, such a colloquial term's definition is up for debate i guess, but ive never seen anyone describe a down to the left rotation as a wackflip. always a backflip ish rotation usually with a japan like you said. which falls over to the right side, not the left. stomach up rather than down

not arguing, just explaining what i said. we all know it doesn't matter, just ski nerd talk here
 
13806195:SofaKingSick said:
i mean, such a colloquial term's definition is up for debate i guess, but ive never seen anyone describe a down to the left rotation as a wackflip. always a backflip ish rotation usually with a japan like you said. which falls over to the right side, not the left. stomach up rather than down

not arguing, just explaining what i said. we all know it doesn't matter, just ski nerd talk here
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I don't think you are explaining yourself well. You can wack flip (or 'flat 3'/off axis backflip) tweaked to either side. Think about doing a japan with the other hand.
 
13807082:SofaKingSick said:
..? Ive made it pretty clear I'm just impressed how well it was done

It was a quad 18 dude. Saying "lol" just doesn't cut the mustard
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I believe he was simply pointing out that you literally said how "textbook" of a cork 3 it was, and then said "I'm not saying it's textbook." It's a bit contradicting.

Everyone agrees both are sick...some just like different styles than others. One thing I will say though, people can say that Wacko doesn't really do a 4th cork (I really disagree with this, if that's not an off-axis spin I don't know what is), while no one can say that Andri didn't complete 4 corks/flips.
 
13805835:SofaKingSick said:
naw dude wack flips are those things that are basically backies but falling off to the right side, a lot of times with a japan. the last two on andri's were dipped down to the left 3s. you could argue that his last two rotations were ""basically"" backies i guess...

im not saying they were the most textbook corks ever and i get why people say it's too flippy for their taste but idk im impressed
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Dude....you keep going on about "to the left" and "to the right"....those descriptors don't have fuck all to do with whether something is a whack flip, a rodeo, or a cork.

It honestly sounds like you are pulling your rotation and axis knowledge from an overly simplified video game. The direction on that axis left/right has nothing to do with anything.

If anything, their position relative to the ground and/or the landing is relevant but you are digging a deep hole.

A whackflip is a description of a flat 3 that isn't much of a flat 3, but more of a backflip with the lower body slightly kicked off laterally to either side, often with a japan grab because of how the grab accentuates the off axis aspect.

A corked rotation is one in which the feet don't necessarily go over the head for a full invert and are more akin to essentially tilting the head/upper body back up towards the takeoff (not explaining how it's set, more describing how it looks mid cork) in a reclined/horizontal like position and spinning like a barrel roll or a spinning top that has tipped over.

People have forgotten that d-spins exist, and a lot of people think that a corked rotation means that they are doing a flip while spinning and it isn't true.

Imo, wacko does a clear quad cork rotation. You can argue that he isn't as off axis as you aesthetically like, but he is rotating off axis and distinctly goes off axis 4 times.

Andri also does a quad, but the rotation is a lot more like horgmos first triple at x games where the rotation for a couple corks are very much on a singular upright axis.

Both tricks are fucking nuts, but I can't read some guy repeat over and over that something isn't a whackflip because his feet went to the left vs right or vice versa, wtf.
 
13806195:SofaKingSick said:
i mean, such a colloquial term's definition is up for debate i guess, but ive never seen anyone describe a down to the left rotation as a wackflip. always a backflip ish rotation usually with a japan like you said. which falls over to the right side, not the left. stomach up rather than down

not arguing, just explaining what i said. we all know it doesn't matter, just ski nerd talk here
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Dude....what are you on about? How does a Japan necessarily fall off to the "right"? Further, are you talking lookers right or skiers right? This makes zero sense. Some people do whackflips by dropping their right shoulder and throwing a backflip and grabbing the left ski with right hand Japan and some people throw whackflips by dropping their left shoulder and throwing a backflip and grabbing their right ski behind the binding with their left hand.

The act of going for a Japan grab while throwing the hips forward, arching the back, and looking up creates the whackflip and depending on which shoulder drops and which hand you reach with determines which way left/right your feet go, it's not a side exclusive trick whereas to grab with the other hand has a whole other name or something.
 
I second that. Casual knows what hes talking about. I blame the x games for everyone thinking corks need to be inverted, they have some of the worst commentary when it comes to calling trick names.
 
13807473:casual said:
Dude....you keep going on about "to the left" and "to the right"....those descriptors don't have fuck all to do with whether something is a whack flip, a rodeo, or a cork.

It honestly sounds like you are pulling your rotation and axis knowledge from an overly simplified video game. The direction on that axis left/right has nothing to do with anything.

If anything, their position relative to the ground and/or the landing is relevant but you are digging a deep hole.

A whackflip is a description of a flat 3 that isn't much of a flat 3, but more of a backflip with the lower body slightly kicked off laterally to either side, often with a japan grab because of how the grab accentuates the off axis aspect.

A corked rotation is one in which the feet don't necessarily go over the head for a full invert and are more akin to essentially tilting the head/upper body back up towards the takeoff (not explaining how it's set, more describing how it looks mid cork) in a reclined/horizontal like position and spinning like a barrel roll or a spinning top that has tipped over.

People have forgotten that d-spins exist, and a lot of people think that a corked rotation means that they are doing a flip while spinning and it isn't true.

Imo, wacko does a clear quad cork rotation. You can argue that he isn't as off axis as you aesthetically like, but he is rotating off axis and distinctly goes off axis 4 times.

Andri also does a quad, but the rotation is a lot more like horgmos first triple at x games where the rotation for a couple corks are very much on a singular upright axis.

Both tricks are fucking nuts, but I can't read some guy repeat over and over that something isn't a whackflip because his feet went to the left vs right or vice versa, wtf.
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holy shit dude don't shoot

i know trick naming very well. we can disagree on the colloquial shit-talking term "wackflip" and continue living our lives in harmony.

i was impressed that his forward quad 18 was pretty corky considering the circumstances. i also enjoyed wacko's weird wobble thing.
 
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