Alternative to Full Tilts for Freestyle

There is no such thing as a freestyle boot really, it’s just whatever boot fits your foot the best. Some pro slopestyle skiers use ski racing boots.

I think the best thing to do would be to go to a good bootfitter - do some research first

though, because many “bootfitters” are really just boot salespeople.

So make sure the bootfitter you are going to has been certified (by Masterfit University, for example) or at least gets good reviews.
 
14248099:apc.fr said:
Try again bud. that's literally what the boot fitter is for.
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Disagree I like to have some knowledge about what skis, boots, or bindings I'm going to buy before I go to a shop and and ask for recommendations so I can compare my knowledge with theirs makes it easier for the shop and they appreciate you doing your homework.
 
14248128:oldspicewalrus said:
Disagree I like to have some knowledge about what skis, boots, or bindings I'm going to buy before I go to a shop and and ask for recommendations so I can compare my knowledge with theirs makes it easier for the shop and they appreciate you doing your homework.
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Lol
 
14248085:oldspicewalrus said:
I don't need custom boots just ideas
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A bootfitter isn't gonna give you a "custom boot" they're just gonna help you try on boots and understand what is gonna work for you and what isn't. I have a fisher rc pro 110. No idea what the fuck it's made for, but I like the fit and the flex so it works great for freestyle for me. This isn't a debate like skis where you can buy one that's drastically wrong for what you want. If the flex is what you want and it fits your foot, odds are it's going to be the best option
 
14248128:oldspicewalrus said:
Disagree I like to have some knowledge about what skis, boots, or bindings I'm going to buy before I go to a shop and and ask for recommendations so I can compare my knowledge with theirs makes it easier for the shop and they appreciate you doing your homework.
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You don't know more. If you go to buy a boot with an "idea" of what you want. You are literally wasting your time going. Just buy a boot off the internet and then make another thread complaining about your boot.
 
14248189:Session said:
You don't know more. If you go to buy a boot with an "idea" of what you want. You are literally wasting your time going. Just buy a boot off the internet and then make another thread complaining about your boot.
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I guess I need to reword the point of this forum, it was just to get a couple of names of other boots other than full tilt in order to see what I should be looking for online. I have only bought my boots online because it is a cheaper and then I bring them to a bootfitter to get fit. Hopefully this can clarify what I am trying to say.
 
14248194:oldspicewalrus said:
I guess I need to reword the point of this forum, it was just to get a couple of names of other boots other than full tilt in order to see what I should be looking for online. I have only bought my boots online because it is a cheaper and then I bring them to a bootfitter to get fit. Hopefully this can clarify what I am trying to say.
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I mean we all know what you want, but you're looking at the whole picture wrong.

I've got a narrow AF foot, med/low instep, a high arch, tiny ankles and a weird sixth toe thing on the right foot. I need a boot that fits those parameters, and that's what a boot fitter knows. He/she can look at my foot, see the anatomy, and match that to a boot shell and hopefully stock liner.

You're asking for freestyle orientated boots, but haven't mentioned anything about your foot anatomy. That's really why all you'll get for answers is "go to a boot fitter". From your posts it's obvious you don't know what you want or how to ask for it.
 
14248221:apc.fr said:
I mean we all know what you want, but you're looking at the whole picture wrong.

I've got a narrow AF foot, med/low instep, a high arch, tiny ankles and a weird sixth toe thing on the right foot. I need a boot that fits those parameters, and that's what a boot fitter knows. He/she can look at my foot, see the anatomy, and match that to a boot shell and hopefully stock liner.

You're asking for freestyle orientated boots, but haven't mentioned anything about your foot anatomy. That's really why all you'll get for answers is "go to a boot fitter". From your posts it's obvious you don't know what you want or how to ask for it.
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So I never should have posted this in the first place?
 
14248225:oldspicewalrus said:
So I never should have posted this in the first place?
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More or less.

In a world where you live in Texas and can't make it to the mountains for a fitting, do this:

Step 1. Figure out your foot shape. Phone scanner apps, that thing they have at shoe stores, etc. Gain an understanding of the anatomy of a foot and what your foot shape is.

Step 2. Figure out your booth minimum requirements. Pretty much just flex, and if you'll be touring.

Step 3. Now post. Ask about boots that work with your foot shape and meet your minimum requirements. Include the above knowledge in your post to show you understand that foot shape is the thing that decides your boot, not whatever a freestyle boot is or isn't.

**This post was edited on Feb 23rd 2021 at 5:20:52pm
 
14248225:oldspicewalrus said:
So I never should have posted this in the first place?
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you should never have expected to hear the answer you wanted. public discourse isn't "ask a question, get the answer I wanted to hear."
 
14248232:apc.fr said:
More or less.

In a world where you live in Texas and can't make it to the mountains for a fitting, do this:

Step 1. Figure out your foot shape. Phone scanner apps, that thing they have at shoe stores, etc. Gain an understanding of the anatomy of a foot and what your foot shape is.

Step 2. Figure out your booth minimum requirements. Pretty much just flex, and if you'll be touring.

Step 3. Now post. Ask about boots that work with your foot shape and meet your minimum requirements. Include the above knowledge in your post to show you understand that foot shape is the thing that decides your boot, not whatever a freestyle boot is or isn't.

**This post was edited on Feb 23rd 2021 at 5:20:52pm
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I shouldn't really have to show an understanding, that is why I asked in the first place because clearly I did not have a perfect one. Thank you for actually leaving meaningful advice this time though, a lot more productive than your previous posts.
 
14248237:oldspicewalrus said:
I shouldn't really have to show an understanding, that is why I asked in the first place because clearly I did not have a perfect one. Thank you for actually leaving meaningful advice this time though, a lot more productive than your previous posts.
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Showing that understanding is how you skip getting reamed over needing to see a boot fitter. Asking what you asked in the gear talk forum, with where every other post on every other thread is "see a boot fitter" shows you didn't do ANYTHING up front and expected us to give you an answer you wanted. No wonder people are blowing you up. Myself included.
 
14248243:apc.fr said:
Showing that understanding is how you skip getting reamed over needing to see a boot fitter. Asking what you asked in the gear talk forum, with where every other post on every other thread is "see a boot fitter" shows you didn't do ANYTHING up front and expected us to give you an answer you wanted. No wonder people are blowing you up. Myself included.
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I asked it in ski gabber and it got moved to gear talk, jokes on you, maybe if you did ANY digging before this. Dude you really gotta relax.
 
14248249:oldspicewalrus said:
I asked it in ski gabber and it got moved to gear talk, jokes on you, maybe if you did ANY digging before this. Dude you really gotta relax.
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Oh you got me, I didn't also look at your post history before calling you out lolz.

Jong is a jong, even if this isn't tgr.
 
14248128:oldspicewalrus said:
Disagree I like to have some knowledge about what skis, boots, or bindings I'm going to buy before I go to a shop and and ask for recommendations so I can compare my knowledge with theirs makes it easier for the shop and they appreciate you doing your homework.
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Yeah as a fitter, I’m gonna hard disagree here. There is NOTHING I despise more than people coming in and wasting my time, talking about what they THINK they know, because they read something on a forum about Boot X fits some 14 year olds skinny ass foot. If you’re going to a fitter, sit down, be fucking humble, and listen to our recommendations. Good fitters, after seeing and measuring your foot, and asking you a couple questions about what you want out of your ski boots, should be able to present 2 or 3 options that will work with minimal customization (assuming you don’t have a wild foot shape that no boot will fit). Do not, and I repeat, DO NOT, go to see a fitter and start talking about the, “homework,” you did. If you really did your homework, and know your shit, you should be able to buy your shit online and there’s no reason you need a fitter. 99% of the time, that’s not the case, you don’t know what you’re talking about, and your wasting both your time and the fitters time. Don’t be a know-it-all because that is the easiest way to make a fitter realize that you’re a fucking idiot and that they shouldn’t be helping you.
 
Alright I get it, I asked the wrong question and then was dumb about it, didn't expect this amount of backlash. I was just joking around at the end, I've learned my lesson. Sorry NS :(. I don't see how saying just ideas was so awful but I guess I understand now.

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Agreed. Super annoying when I was a fitter too. Its like, I’m not going to sell you a boot that doesn’t fit because you’re going to:

1) come back and complain

2) complain to my boss

3) write a bad review

What’s even worse is when someone comes in with a FRIEND who “knows skiing/did his homework”.

14248482:animator said:
Yeah as a fitter, I’m gonna hard disagree here. There is NOTHING I despise more than people coming in and wasting my time, talking about what they THINK they know, because they read something on a forum about Boot X fits some 14 year olds skinny ass foot. If you’re going to a fitter, sit down, be fucking humble, and listen to our recommendations. Good fitters, after seeing and measuring your foot, and asking you a couple questions about what you want out of your ski boots, should be able to present 2 or 3 options that will work with minimal customization (assuming you don’t have a wild foot shape that no boot will fit). Do not, and I repeat, DO NOT, go to see a fitter and start talking about the, “homework,” you did. If you really did your homework, and know your shit, you should be able to buy your shit online and there’s no reason you need a fitter. 99% of the time, that’s not the case, you don’t know what you’re talking about, and your wasting both your time and the fitters time. Don’t be a know-it-all because that is the easiest way to make a fitter realize that you’re a fucking idiot and that they shouldn’t be helping you.
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14248916:BradFiAusNzCoCa said:
Agreed. Super annoying when I was a fitter too. Its like, I’m not going to sell you a boot that doesn’t fit because you’re going to:

1) come back and complain

2) complain to my boss

3) write a bad review

What’s even worse is when someone comes in with a FRIEND who “knows skiing/did his homework”.
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Had this the other day. Sold a guy a Krypton 110 because he said he was a very aggressive skier, and out of the 3 I put him in, he said it was the most comfortable boot he’s ever been in. Comes back 3 days later, hasn’t even skied, saying, “my friend who works in a shop says that 110 is too stiff, can I have something softer?” I told him that 110 is where he should be for his height and weight, if he is an aggressive skier, and he goes, “well my friend says that 110 is as stiff as a race boot and that I should be in a 90 flex.”
 
Well why didn’t his friend sell him ski boots then if he knew so well? Lol

This reminds me of one time when a 5’2” 130lb lady told me she couldn’t consider Marker Squires because her din was 12. She told me the rental tech put her at a 12 the week before...

If she didn’t like Squires, fair enough, but there was no way she was a 12!

14248955:animator said:
Had this the other day. Sold a guy a Krypton 110 because he said he was a very aggressive skier, and out of the 3 I put him in, he said it was the most comfortable boot he’s ever been in. Comes back 3 days later, hasn’t even skied, saying, “my friend who works in a shop says that 110 is too stiff, can I have something softer?” I told him that 110 is where he should be for his height and weight, if he is an aggressive skier, and he goes, “well my friend says that 110 is as stiff as a race boot and that I should be in a 90 flex.”
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14248961:BradFiAusNzCoCa said:
Well why didn’t his friend sell him ski boots then if he knew so well? Lol

This reminds me of one time when a 5’2” 130lb lady told me she couldn’t consider Marker Squires because her din was 12. She told me the rental tech put her at a 12 the week before...

If she didn’t like Squires, fair enough, but there was no way she was a 12!
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Yeah no she was not at a 12 ????
 
14248955:animator said:
Had this the other day. Sold a guy a Krypton 110 because he said he was a very aggressive skier, and out of the 3 I put him in, he said it was the most comfortable boot he’s ever been in. Comes back 3 days later, hasn’t even skied, saying, “my friend who works in a shop says that 110 is too stiff, can I have something softer?” I told him that 110 is where he should be for his height and weight, if he is an aggressive skier, and he goes, “well my friend says that 110 is as stiff as a race boot and that I should be in a 90 flex.”
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Every shop should print out this image of Nicky Keefer in Redster World Cup 130s (with foam injection liners) at Nine Knights a few years ago and put it on their boot wall:

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Ski boots are an extension/reflection of your body and the forces you put into them. They don't know your gender, if you ski in powder or park, or have friends who are really, really good at skiing.

When a boot works for you, regardless of its marketing story, then you will be stoked on skiing.
 
Not to hijack this thread. Is there a good way of approaching the need for a bootfitter with a budget / desire to buy online? Can I just be like 'hey, I have a budget and probably need to get boots elsewgere but I'll slip you a 20 if you help me figure out what I need'?
 
14249736:Notaskibum said:
Not to hijack this thread. Is there a good way of approaching the need for a bootfitter with a budget / desire to buy online? Can I just be like 'hey, I have a budget and probably need to get boots elsewgere but I'll slip you a 20 if you help me figure out what I need'?
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If you happen to know an overly-kind fitter, maybe. I know as soon as I hear the word, “online,” all of my effort goes out the window. People buying shit online only supports the conglomerate fuckheads at backcountry, REI, evo, whatever. Soon there’s gonna be no shops or reps or fitters or anything, everything is becoming more and more technology based. If you wanna buy online, suck it up and accept the risks of buying a boot that doesn’t fit. If you want someone to put in time and effort, saying, “thanks I’m gonna go buy this on backcountry.com now,” is like punching the fitter in the dick. You’re a clown if you wanna waste someone’s time, even if you think that telling them you’re gonna buy online before they fit you is gonna work. All of the fitters I know would make 0 effort or tell you to piss off if you came in and asked to be fitted so you could buy online. Touchy subject for me but people who do that are wack as fuck
 
14249785:animator said:
If you happen to know an overly-kind fitter, maybe. I know as soon as I hear the word, “online,” all of my effort goes out the window. People buying shit online only supports the conglomerate fuckheads at backcountry, REI, evo, whatever. Soon there’s gonna be no shops or reps or fitters or anything, everything is becoming more and more technology based. If you wanna buy online, suck it up and accept the risks of buying a boot that doesn’t fit. If you want someone to put in time and effort, saying, “thanks I’m gonna go buy this on backcountry.com now,” is like punching the fitter in the dick. You’re a clown if you wanna waste someone’s time, even if you think that telling them you’re gonna buy online before they fit you is gonna work. All of the fitters I know would make 0 effort or tell you to piss off if you came in and asked to be fitted so you could buy online. Touchy subject for me but people who do that are wack as fuck
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I get it man, that's why I asked...but not all of us can afford to drop $800 on new boots.
 
How do you determine correct flex? For example, I’m 178cm, 60kg, skinny, have normal range of ankle dorsiflexion and an aggressive skier. What flex rating is right for me?

14248955:animator said:
Had this the other day. Sold a guy a Krypton 110 because he said he was a very aggressive skier, and out of the 3 I put him in, he said it was the most comfortable boot he’s ever been in. Comes back 3 days later, hasn’t even skied, saying, “my friend who works in a shop says that 110 is too stiff, can I have something softer?” I told him that 110 is where he should be for his height and weight, if he is an aggressive skier, and he goes, “well my friend says that 110 is as stiff as a race boot and that I should be in a 90 flex.”
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There were a couple of shops in Aus that charged $50 for a fit because of this (that was put towards a pair of boots if you bought them). You can try, might work. I would personally just tip a good 6 pack.

14249736:Notaskibum said:
Not to hijack this thread. Is there a good way of approaching the need for a bootfitter with a budget / desire to buy online? Can I just be like 'hey, I have a budget and probably need to get boots elsewgere but I'll slip you a 20 if you help me figure out what I need'?
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14249933:severniy said:
How do you determine correct flex? For example, I’m 178cm, 60kg, skinny, have normal range of ankle dorsiflexion and an aggressive skier. What flex rating is right for me?
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There is no standard to boot flex. Our Hawx Prime 110 S is literally as stiff as another competitor's similar fitting 130.

You need to put the boot on and flex it. A boot that is too soft will "bellow" at the hinge points too much, allowing your knee to travel beyond the boot's toe (imagine a vertical line extending up from the toe of the boot, and your knee moves too far through it). A boot that is too stiff will prevent you from flexing forward enough and your knee will not properly reach the vertical line at the boot's toe, and you will be skiing in the back seat. Generally speaking, you want a small amount of forward flex that allows you to stay in athletic "ready" stance while skiing.
 
I rock my atomic hawk prime 130s for park & jumps as well, sooooo nice to do nose butters on, shin feeling is solid.

too soft boots just plain suck.
 
go to a boot fitter and try on a ton of different pairs till you find one that fits you feet well but dallbello salmons I found to just be nice all around
 
As a boot fitter, I’ll help anyone that needs assistance, even if they aren’t trying to buy boots right now, or with us at all. That doesn’t mean it’s not a low blow to do that, But my personal goal is to get as many people skiing as possible.

That said, I agree with everything that’s been said here. I ski rails and I’m in a Lange. Tried full tilts and hate them. Forget about the marketing you see for “park” boots. It’s all bullshit.
 
The only "homework" you should bring to a boot shop is an honest evaluation of your skiing style/ability and any personal info on what you loved or hated about a previous boot. That can help narrow it down for you. Anything else is irrelevant and you might hear the dudes laughing in the back.

Wish you luck OP, all the banter is really just trying to help you out.
 
Literally anything that fits, although i have had issues tring to ride park with tech fittings that were heavy for park riding. But just cause that was my experience dont be shy to try any boot that fits well for you
 
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