All you Bush lovers-WAKE UP...read this

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So we don't have a nucleure (however the you spell it) war by attacking a country that has nukes and doesn't seem to care if they stay alive or not....i see!

If we just left everyones ass alone, not only would the world be a less violent place but other countries might like us more. An Iraq person sees it this way;Sadam has so much propoganda that they don't even know he is doing bad stuff. here is the us bombing the country and killing a lot of people that, if they knew the whole truth would gladly be on our side. meanwhile we give them a meiger food supply that doesn't really give them crap, just to make us look good. while at their point of view, it is so mieger that they see it like we are just giveing them food so we can say we are giveing them food in the papers and shit. those poor bastards (the Iraqi people that is) don't give a shit about this war thing. They just want some food. We sould be putting almost all our resources into giveing them food. once they are happy and no longet have a fucking pain in there stomach then they can have time to realize that Sadam is a peace of shit and actually do something about it them selves. this is what we must do if we want people to like us and get along with us without violence. this is what we must do if we want to be rocognoised as a good loveing country and not just a bunch of rich bastards that only care about them selves...there is a rebellion in Russia right now, do we give s shit about it, of cores not, it has no realtion to is at all. Fuck, quite frankly I'm glad we arn't healping out there because we would probaply either be on Russia's side (the wrong one) or we would put some asshole dictator to power that would make the people in his country struggle and suffer, meanwhile giveing the usa tones of cash. (we actually should healp out there, but with neither of those intentions in mind-which is impossible because that {the above} is what our goverment leaders would do)

and yes I know that I contridict myself when I say to leave people alone and to not leave people alone. what I mean is to leave them alone in terms of milatary force and shit like that. We can still healp them out be giveing the people in the country resources

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Just a few points dude

1) Russia has had a reballion for decades

2) How the hell do you know what the Iraqi people want or feel

3) Just 'coz you hate Bush doesn't mean that other people have to or that he's wrong

4) How is Russia's side the wrong one?

You make some weird points there bud. I still fail to see anything about what that has to do with people who like Bush. And don't be so arrogant as to assume or make judgements or generalisations as to the way other people feel, you can't possibly have any idea.

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it is quite simple the russian goverment wants to one that country (I am spaceing the name of it right now) and that country wants to be independent so it can make it's own fucking laws and be more free to do what it wants. have you heard the Iraqi people say anything at all weather they care or not? why-because they don't. It's a fact they are poor. all poor people worry about is weather they have food or not. it is all they can worry about

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if it is popular it is not cool so I do the unpopular thing to be cool-'some shit face in the hall'

 
LOL, they don't exactly have the first Amendment over there. And another thing, you aren't really speaking on any premises w/ factual facilitation, you're pretty much just talking emotionally, it's ok I was 13 once.

 
Ok well maby I'm not avery good speeker, however I am 16.

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if it is popular it is not cool so I do the unpopular thing to be cool-'some shit face in the hall'

 
We need to BOMB Iraq now, and tell them that we don't mess around. If we wait they will eventually get bombs big enough to hurt the US, and Sadaam won't hesitate to use them. So basically we need to force our way in and fuck them up. Also to show other countrys what the US is made of.

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Far out, some of you guys are IDIOTS! All you're worried about is yourselves. No wonder the world hates Americans, most of you are arrogant ego-centric assholes!

America has no right what-so-ever to be in Iraq. No right at all, zipo, nothing, absolultey squat. You can bring up old treaties and shit if you want but the low down = no. Why would you go and bomb another country that is working itself out? Iraq has been relatively quiet for a long time now. Saddam even agreed to disarm by the date that Bush set. So Bush makes a settlement date, Iraq agrees to it and he's still going to invade. What does that tell you about America huh?

Why is he so obsessed with bombing Iraq? Why not go into the Middle East and Israel, somewhere help and intervention is actually needed and would make a difference.

So what if Iraq has bombs big enough to hurt the USA. So does Britain, Russia, North Korea, France, India, Pakistan, China, Israel, Egypt, Libia, Germany and so on. And not too many of them particuly like America anymore. I think you guys have a whole lot more to worry about than little old Iraq.

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well the second time you made some good points. do you have a 2nd personality or something. however I don't think we should worry about any of that. contrys may pose a potentle threat but if we leave them alone they will leave us alone. you are right about N. Koria, and they hate us just as much as Iraq, but what do we do: just sit on it. you know why: because not as many Ignorant Americans know that about north Koria and Bush is simply messing with Iraq to make the people, the Ignorant, Arogant people of america happy. the poeple couldn't possibly know what they will get out of this in supporting the USA in it's quest to destory Sadam

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if it is popular it is not cool so I do the unpopular thing to be cool-'some shit face in the hall'

 
Ya. Everyday I realize more and more why the world hates Americans. We are a country that has been breeding idiots day in and day out for the past 200 years. Whereas in other ocuntries, the idiots die and can''t reproduce. So now America has SUPER-IDIOTS!

Ya, I'm an american, and despite not hating america, i hate america. Weird...

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However though, Iraq has stated that they will not attack unless they are provoked. They haven't attacked America so far, why would they now? They have had no reason to, they still don't. Just like America has no reason to attack them. So what is Bush doing? Yeah, he's now provoking them. If that's not provoking then I don't know what is. And Iraq having weapons of mass-destruction is nothing new. They have for quite a few years now.

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And do you also find it interesting that only 13% of Americans aged between 15 and 21 even know where Iraq is? That's terrible!

You're right Stevie, a nation of SUPER IDOITS! However some of them are okay, like most of the fulla's on this site.

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yeah if we just left iraq alone everything would turn out ok cause Sadam is such a nice guy. Im sure if we just left him alone every one in iraq will live happily ever after. you are fucking dumb. Half the people on this site would for some reason rather see bush die than sadam. What im wondering is, what did you guys think of that dumbass clinton?

 
I think Clinton is just as much a retard...

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and why exactly is clinton such a retard? he's smarter than any 2 of your combined, so shut up. in his speech here last week, he spent a while explaining why instead of going and bombing anyone who opposes us, we should spend more money on foreign aid (recalled the marshall plan). as we are the most powerful and wealthy country on the planet, we have a certain amount of social responsibility. but then again there are the republicans who say to hell with everyone else, I'm gonna get mine. like clinton said, we should be making friends and not more terrorists. This doesn't necessarily apply to the Iraq situation, but it would be nice if our foreign policy took this philosophy a little more seriously.

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And you can't see right thru that little politician facade? Dude, clinton was a man that decided to launch 75 Cruise Missles at unidentified targets in the middle east in 1993.

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War is the last thing i want, i think most people feel the same. There is one thing i gotta say. As much as i dislike Bush, I have to agree that Sadam is evil. George W. may be crazy, but he isn't truely evil. I suggest that anyone reading this go do some reseach on Sadam and his sons. They are sick. I know i wouldn't want to live in a country where i feared my leader everyday, but i also wouldn't want some supercountry coming over and telling us who out new leader is. Sadam is evil. When his sons were growing up, Sadam would take them to local sheep farms and they would gut and kill the sheep with knives, just to watch them die, and put the farmer out of money. When his sons were like 12 and 13 he let them execute their first war prisoners. The older one kept pulling the trigger until he was out of bullets, then asked for another clip. It just keeps getting worse. I think giving another country the right to choose thier leader is cause enough to over throw Sadam. As for those other countries that have nuclear capabilites such as germany, Britain, france, india, etc. The reason none of them have used them against the u.s. is mutually assured destruction. I the reason i feel Iraq should not posess those weapons is that i don't feel he is afraid to let his country get blown up as long as he is in his cozy underground bunker, safe from the fallout. That's my 2 cents, everyone has their own opinions, and i can see just causes in most of them all, but i think what i wrote is what i agree with the most. I would love to hear some contrary opinions to mine, the thing is i am basing everything i believe on what i have read, and i feel is true. Any new facts would be greatly welcomed. ~ReeF

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IMO, I do believe that his nuclear weapons are nothing more then a scare tactic. He may be crazy, but he is intelligent enough to know that this day and age, that if he uses those weapons, that his country will be leveled, and wether or not he survives in his underground bunker, is completely trivial.

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well it works. nuclear bombs scare the fuck out of me. I thnk they all should be banished to space. Let countries fight with fists. not bombs. Or maybe a ski comp. But then the u.s. wouldn't be on top.

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nothing will ever become of iraq. its just something ted turner is making bush do so he can update cnn.com

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they pussies removed my post because i said the only bush i like is between the 2 legs of beautiful women. those fuckers

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Actually you're all fools saying 'saddam is evil blah blah' because he wouldn't be in power and have the weapons and shit he does if america didn't supply him with all that to keep a handle on the oil. Then Iraq started invading a neighboring country and suddenly 'they have committed atrocities'. PFFT.

So then they slap a trade embargo on them, and a bunch of old and sick people die because they can't get medicine. Gotta love U.S. foreign policy. You wana talk 'evil'?

How about all those people who end up suffering because we want 5 cents off the fucking banana?? oh wait or is it because we want a dollar a barrel less on oil lets go bomb the shit out of some countries, that'll do it. Bush is a moron, just like a Canadian official said yesterday. Clinton was wayyy better other than hittin that intern shit up. At least he gave a shit about the environment. Bush isn't helping the countries that need food etc. because he's a right wing bastard who would rather blow it on the military and gain political support from the 87% of the people who can't find Iraq on a god damn world map. Oh look! theregoestheeconomy WE'RE FIGHTING THE WAR ON TERRORISM.

fuck that shit. dont delete this guys im sure everyone is old enough to see potty language.

hey man, that dogs pissing on your 1080's!!!

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of course clinton bombed iraq - what would u expect the president of the united states to do after UN weapons inspectors go into iraq, only to witness truckloads of unidentified 'stuff' being shipped out the backdoor of a compound while inspectors are restricted to looking in the front door? sadam is evil, we know that.. but like the guy right before me said, it's the US' fault he's there! that's the most ironic and sickening part.. i think what should be learned through this is that FORESIGHT is necessary in life.

 
oh.. my... God... NOT AGAIN... Ok, listen, I will say it one more time for all you morons that keep rehashing the same thing. THIS IS NOT ABOUT FUCKING OIL! We do NOT get most of our oil from the MidEast. We get it from ourselves, and from countries like Venezuela. NOT IRAQ...

And to the dude that posted the damn thread.

You are a fucking moron. And both sides of the argument see that. Die.

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First of all, I'd like for all of you to check out the survey that PhattTim and I have both seen, on American teens and their knowledge of world geography.

Secondly, the agruement that started this post was retarded. You could have no possible clue what the Iraqi people want or feel, and you do not know what is best for them. Yes they need food, but haven't you thought about the fact that whatever the United States might drop into Iraq might be regulated by the government there? Hmm? Saddam could do whatever he wants with the food that is dropped, doesn't matter how much that is thrown at him.

Bush, I believe, does have reason to be in Iraq. The weapons of mass destruction, and the facilities used to produce must be removed/destroyed. It doesn't matter it Saddam says that he will have everything sorted out by whatever date that was set by the UN. The inspectors sent in there are merely a small group. Saddam can have his army move weapons and equipment from place to place, with the UN team just missing them. Saddam is not a stupid person, and he will do whatever he wants and thinks necessary to maintain his grip on the country.

Also, no one on this site, or in all of the United States for the matter has access to the information and intelligence that Bush and his government does. CNN is a joke, they show what the US government will let them show. The general public doesn't know that half of anything that is going on. As I have stated on this site many times before, Bush has many other reasons to go into Iraq, reasons that may not seem just to the average American, but I don't think he cares. He's a politician, politicians want re-election, and that means pleasing interest groups and donators. Those things aside, Bush still has a legitimate claim to having to go into Iraq. Saddam is unstable, and is more than likely to supply weapons to Al-Qaeda and other terrorists.

Bush may not be the smartest president the United States has ever had, but he has smart people around him, and together they know what they are doing.

Peace Out.

 
Bush ist just after Iraq's oil... pretty obvious, But I wouldn't mind having the weapons of mass destruction removed from saddam. Having saddam removed is different. Who will come in his place and who can keep the polpulation under control? Just look what happened in Afghanistan! No problem that the taliban is removed, but who is in power now and is he having control over his people?

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veteran, the other threads like this were long and angry so I didn't read them, so could you (in point form) give some of the other reasons?

many thanks.

and to everybody there who says that bush should take out saddam, cause he's evil and bad and whatnot, why is it only now that people are saying kill him? I mean, he's been in power a long time and surely the US had the power to oust him before? I don't know. Maybe it's something to think about.

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Sweetcoz, you know nothing. The 75 Cruise Missles were at 'terrorists' responsible for the bombing of WTC in 1993, not because UN Weapons Inspectors.

Oh, and there's obviously a good reason why so few of the other countries support military occupation in the Iraqi area.

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Reasons to go into Iraq to oust Saddam.

1. Threat of BCN Weapons and likelyhood of supplying them to terrorists.

2. Oil

3. War; which entails a lot. Justification for military spending - therefore making companies that are given the contracts happy, therefore more campaign money. Also, war satisfies interest groups and think tanks etc in Washington. One more, is for some reason or another, War improves approval rating - which brings me to my next point.

4. Re-election.

5. Finish what his Dad didn't.

To answer your other question, it was convienient to have Saddam around to pose as the 'Evil Empire'. Again, justification for military spending. However, too much of that money went into hard goods instead of intelligence. They have know about Bin Laden since the late eighties, 87' I think, but did not think that much of it (Clinton is a retard), and didnt focus on that as much of a threat. It is obviously no longer convienient to have Saddam around because he poses too much danger, and he must know be removed.

 
andy you're cool and make great contributions to the site, but we're just supposed to take your word for it that this war isn't about oil? there aren't many people who would argue that oil has nothing to do with this war. sure there are other factors, perhaps more important, but it can't be denied that oil plays a part. we get a large portion of our oil from the mideast and we don't want a hostile iraq threatening that supply. there's no reason to believe that isn't the case

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can i say that these threads that try to pass for political treatises are the greatest entertainment. i am gettin tired of though. there ae only a few kids on here with any idea what they are talking about. if tey wait a few years and take some poly sci classes, they will either change what they say, or will have somthing substantial to back it with. right now 90 percent of the opinions on threads like these are rediculously shallow, and can only attempt to scratch the surface of the reasons that we are involved in iraq. i dont think anyone on here can figure that out... so can we can it with the attempts at political speech? most of ya sound like idiots.

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I'm majoring in history and political science focussing on internation relations. My opinions are not shallow.

 
thats fantastic cheif, you obviously are the exception to the norm... like the 16 year old kid who started this debachle-

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I'm majoring in poly sci now, so I've taken my fair share of poly sci classes. I usually don't like the powder board cause they're all old farts, but their political discussions are a lot better than those here. people know what they're talking about and show evidence to back it up. and because they're old farts, they have a lot more experience than most here.

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heres what this is all about: if Bush can generate enough war hype, people will begin to forget about how the major CEO's of this country are robbing people blind daily, which was a big news issue prior to the increased war talk. his plan is working pretty well for him actually.

and about the oil argument, i dont know that much about it, however, the 'so-called' reason for attacking Iraq is that they have nucleur weapons.....well basically that is bullshit because there are plenty of countries that hate us that also have nucleur weapons, so why not attack them?? Iraq is a target because they have something we want....OIL

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First of all, I'd like to thank SVHucker, anewmorning and jsof9 for bringing intelligent thought into this thread.

Secondly, anyone who doesn't agree that Oil plays a large part of Bush's decision to go into Iraq are retards, and I personally invite them to try and argue their point against me.

 
true many countries do have nuclear weapons. But those countries are not a threat to us like Iraq. who is one of the countries harboring terrorists that act upon us. So at sadaams word those terrorists could get access to those nuclear and biological weapons and cause much more destruction and death than the planes did when they hit our buildings. Also you can't ignore things like this when terrorists...bin laden...are making videos that say that more attacks will come. this just can't be ignored.

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It's allllll to hide the Martha Stewart scandal, Clinton wants to secretly bone her w/ some homestyle condoms that smell like petunias that Martha has handcrafted on her show, Bush being the genteal southerner that he is, respects this and is doing a favor for good old billy boy. This obviously proves that this is about oil, because Martha is the McGeyver of the domesticated household and can manufacture oil from household cooking supplies and the special turnips she grows in her garden.

 
gmram, im not saying your wrong, just that everything you're saying is exactly what the government is trying to make you believe is the truth....

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so north korea isn't a threat? they just announced they have nuclear weapons. I thought they were in the 'axis of evil?' why don't we go destroy their nuclear weapons? couldn't have anything to do with the fact that we don't get any oil from north korea, right?

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My thought as to hwy noone will tangle with North Korea is the fact that they are close allies with CHina. And China is the only nation that can match us closely when it comes to military.

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three things... gravtec is obviously a man of great insight and genius, second, the word 'tangle' was just used in reference to a fight...thats awesome. third, can we never have another thread about this?

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