eastcoastsoloMAN
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I agree, our society today is very addicted to things that do nothing but give us extra unneeded energy
All Americans are drug users
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Balto
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i remember one day one of my teachers wanted to see how my class could do if we al did not drink coffee, soda, or even smoke for those of us that do for 3 days. on the 3rd day every one was f'ed up. being a big coffee drinker not having that energy boost is a huge hit to me. so i agree that americans are addicted to lots of these
kepler.
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I'm a chronic smoker. I've probably smoked on average a joint a day for the past year. Last night I didn't smoke because I'm sick. Slept like a baby. I won't smoke till I get better and I will still be the same person as always.
I'm a straight A student, I have a job, currently talking to a banging girl that I really like. Purdue Univeristy will be paying for all but 3 grand of my tuition next year.
Am I a burnout? No. You like most people base their entire knowledge of marijuana smokers from the losers who smoke to get high, think they are addicted because they have no will power. Get out of your box and learn about how other people act instead of judging from the safety of your room.
I'm a straight A student, I have a job, currently talking to a banging girl that I really like. Purdue Univeristy will be paying for all but 3 grand of my tuition next year.
Am I a burnout? No. You like most people base their entire knowledge of marijuana smokers from the losers who smoke to get high, think they are addicted because they have no will power. Get out of your box and learn about how other people act instead of judging from the safety of your room.
skiblandford
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even me wow
popNfresh44
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good post, check tis out
dman1260
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i never took it as a personal attack. The way you are forming you arguments with such certainty and acting as though you are the ultimate authority of logic makes it seems as though you are belittling most peoples arguments. Beyond that, you are also claiming that it is ok to make an opinion, but the second someone does, for example in my first post where i said it is not right to allow people to die when we have the ability to do otherwise, you counteract that opinion by claiming that opinion in and of itself is not logical.
Also, on a "less logical" note, this is not how most people talk about things. The do not go around telling people there arguments aren't logical, they instead discuss their opinions and beliefs and learn from the experience. We know you understand the the proper forms of inductive and deductive reasoning and the logical fallacies and are probably a philosophy major, but you don't need to take all this so seriously and prove to everyone how logical you are.
Also, on a "less logical" note, this is not how most people talk about things. The do not go around telling people there arguments aren't logical, they instead discuss their opinions and beliefs and learn from the experience. We know you understand the the proper forms of inductive and deductive reasoning and the logical fallacies and are probably a philosophy major, but you don't need to take all this so seriously and prove to everyone how logical you are.
Hungry-Sloth
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If a drug is a substance that when consumed alters your mind state by blocking the transfer or uptake of neurotransmitters, then aren't there technically natural drugs in our system?
For example, an orgasm releases endorphins that work as painkillers...does this make sex a drug? Extreme sleep deprivation makes some people hallucinate...the lack of stimulants we get from sleep messes up the chemical process in the brain and causes the hallucinations.
and I wasn't talking about cucumbers specifically...that was just an example. And is there really a difference between the substance itself being considered a "drug" and the conscience or subconscience pschological impact of the consumption of the substance being considered a "drug"? Everything impacts you psychologically in some way. the angle at which your hair intercepts your periphial vision alone could determine your mindset.
And why can't a plant be a proverbial "drug addict"? It has a regulated system of intaking/outputting certain chemicals to maintain a healthy status...how is that not "behavior?" Isn't addiction the inability to squander certain behavior? Does this mean addiction and behavior patterns can only occur in sentient beings?
How can the chemicals themselves not be drugs? Our mind works on chemicals. Without chemicals, we simply could not mentally function. I guess this gets into the subject of where to draw the line between physical and mental. Any behavioral or psychological manifestation is the result of some chemical or neurological activity one way or another.
For example, an orgasm releases endorphins that work as painkillers...does this make sex a drug? Extreme sleep deprivation makes some people hallucinate...the lack of stimulants we get from sleep messes up the chemical process in the brain and causes the hallucinations.
and I wasn't talking about cucumbers specifically...that was just an example. And is there really a difference between the substance itself being considered a "drug" and the conscience or subconscience pschological impact of the consumption of the substance being considered a "drug"? Everything impacts you psychologically in some way. the angle at which your hair intercepts your periphial vision alone could determine your mindset.
And why can't a plant be a proverbial "drug addict"? It has a regulated system of intaking/outputting certain chemicals to maintain a healthy status...how is that not "behavior?" Isn't addiction the inability to squander certain behavior? Does this mean addiction and behavior patterns can only occur in sentient beings?
How can the chemicals themselves not be drugs? Our mind works on chemicals. Without chemicals, we simply could not mentally function. I guess this gets into the subject of where to draw the line between physical and mental. Any behavioral or psychological manifestation is the result of some chemical or neurological activity one way or another.
Hungry-Sloth
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Also, how can a plant not have a psychological manner? Sure, the concept is farfetched and maybe a little absurd, but just think about it.
How do you define the difference between a human being with feelings, self awareness, and mental capacity?
How do you define a plant without these things?
After all, doesn't our brain function entirely on chemical reactions? Our brains are just big piles of mush without them...
"Feelings" are the psychological result of interaction with all around environmental stimulation. When we are emotionally stimulated, neurological and chemical activity takes place in our brain to alter its state.
Don't plants do the same thing?
They change and react to its environment also. Yes, I realize they don't have brains and emotions, but perhaps plants have an grossly simplified system of chemical reactions version of the human mind. Perhaps this is why plants are the subject of every middle school science lab.
This is what I have always thought anyways. I have a pretty damn loose grasp on the subject as you probably have noticed and would love to hear some sort of response correcting my speculations.
How do you define the difference between a human being with feelings, self awareness, and mental capacity?
How do you define a plant without these things?
After all, doesn't our brain function entirely on chemical reactions? Our brains are just big piles of mush without them...
"Feelings" are the psychological result of interaction with all around environmental stimulation. When we are emotionally stimulated, neurological and chemical activity takes place in our brain to alter its state.
Don't plants do the same thing?
They change and react to its environment also. Yes, I realize they don't have brains and emotions, but perhaps plants have an grossly simplified system of chemical reactions version of the human mind. Perhaps this is why plants are the subject of every middle school science lab.
This is what I have always thought anyways. I have a pretty damn loose grasp on the subject as you probably have noticed and would love to hear some sort of response correcting my speculations.
pmills
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why?
"the concept is farfetched and a little absurd" just stop there -- you wern't ready for the rest of the thoughts in your head
"This is what i have always thought anyways. I hae a pretty damn loose grasp on the subject" right then, why even post anything at all.
"you'd probably love to hear some sort of response..." no i'd want to give one, but i'm not going to waste time explaining the difference between a brain and a cucumber to you.
go back to those middle school science labs and pay close attention
user098123
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Hmm well maybe because they don't want harmful drugs getting into the wrong hands? Prescription drugs actually fix a problem. Does Heroin? No, it makes you escape from reality. Could you do the same with vicodin? Sure, but that's not what it's designed for.
As for DMT, it doesn't help you fix anything that is wrong like taking Allegra or something to stop your allergies. There is a big difference between drugs like DMT and other prescriptions. DMT is highly toxic if you ingest too much, alters your state of mind which can be problematic, and is a pretty dangerous drug. It doesn't matter that it is produced in your body or not. It's illegal because of how potentially harmful it is.
As for DMT, it doesn't help you fix anything that is wrong like taking Allegra or something to stop your allergies. There is a big difference between drugs like DMT and other prescriptions. DMT is highly toxic if you ingest too much, alters your state of mind which can be problematic, and is a pretty dangerous drug. It doesn't matter that it is produced in your body or not. It's illegal because of how potentially harmful it is.
VT_FLO
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who are you to decide what I can and cant put into my body?
thats one thing that pisses me off about government...
I would like to know what the wrong hands are. please express yourself with more depth.
from the way i see it if more things were legalized and regulated there wouldnt be as much violence around them.
thats one thing that pisses me off about government...
I would like to know what the wrong hands are. please express yourself with more depth.
from the way i see it if more things were legalized and regulated there wouldnt be as much violence around them.
user098123
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First off, I completely agree that the government shouldn't be able to say what you should and shouldn't put into your body. However, certain things there should be an exception for.
I think the main reason alot of pretty hardcore drugs are illegal is because they don't want people to get ahold of them that have no idea what they do. You could go buy some Meth and have no idea what you're doing with it. Sure you could look it up on Erowid, but still, sooo many people would overdose and die and completely fuck themselves up. People wouldn't act responsibly. They don't want to make something easily available to people that they can fuck their lives up with. Sure it may be there body, but if some 18 year old kid goes out and picks up a ton of ecstasy, doesn't do it properly and kills himself, it affects not only himself but it ruins his family and friends.
That's why I think some drugs should still be illegal. Now things like weed? That's just plain stupid that it's not legal.
Other drugs, like prescription drugs, they have no idea how they may react on a lot of people and they could severely fuck up other people. They also don't know the long term affects on how it will affect certain people. If young teenage females start taking scrips that are intended for guys with who knows what, how do they know it won't fuck up tons of people later in life?
As to the wrong hands....would you like it if you were a parent and tons of hard drugs were super easy to get, and your children could get ahold of them without even trying? I would be scared as hell.
I think the main reason alot of pretty hardcore drugs are illegal is because they don't want people to get ahold of them that have no idea what they do. You could go buy some Meth and have no idea what you're doing with it. Sure you could look it up on Erowid, but still, sooo many people would overdose and die and completely fuck themselves up. People wouldn't act responsibly. They don't want to make something easily available to people that they can fuck their lives up with. Sure it may be there body, but if some 18 year old kid goes out and picks up a ton of ecstasy, doesn't do it properly and kills himself, it affects not only himself but it ruins his family and friends.
That's why I think some drugs should still be illegal. Now things like weed? That's just plain stupid that it's not legal.
Other drugs, like prescription drugs, they have no idea how they may react on a lot of people and they could severely fuck up other people. They also don't know the long term affects on how it will affect certain people. If young teenage females start taking scrips that are intended for guys with who knows what, how do they know it won't fuck up tons of people later in life?
As to the wrong hands....would you like it if you were a parent and tons of hard drugs were super easy to get, and your children could get ahold of them without even trying? I would be scared as hell.
afton_steeze
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you can't put caffeine and marijuana in the same class. at all.
and personally i think the main reason marijuana hasn't been legalized yet is because one cannot assume that everyone is going to use marijuana responsibly. and how is one to determine that one does, in fact, use it responsibly? there are those who use illegal drugs in a safe way, and those who don't. how can the government allow the use of illegal drugs, when the usage by some is going to cause harm to other citizens? personally i think the most important job of the government is to protect and maintain the welfare of their country. because the use of marijuana is going to inhibit judgment, and cause irresponsible decisions that could effect their own life and/or the lives of others.
while many seem to "benefit" from the use of marijuana and other illegal substances, its not worth it for the government to legalize.
and personally i think the main reason marijuana hasn't been legalized yet is because one cannot assume that everyone is going to use marijuana responsibly. and how is one to determine that one does, in fact, use it responsibly? there are those who use illegal drugs in a safe way, and those who don't. how can the government allow the use of illegal drugs, when the usage by some is going to cause harm to other citizens? personally i think the most important job of the government is to protect and maintain the welfare of their country. because the use of marijuana is going to inhibit judgment, and cause irresponsible decisions that could effect their own life and/or the lives of others.
while many seem to "benefit" from the use of marijuana and other illegal substances, its not worth it for the government to legalize.
pmills
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no way!!!!!
if you really want to make it MORE difficult for drug users to be able to get drugs, you legalize it and control the distribution. It's harder for kids to get Alcohol than it is for them to pick up a bag of drugs---any drugs... why??? because the black market doesn't give a fuck. If you decriminalize drugs put regulations on them and remove the negative propaganda, you can create a safer environment for drug distribution, drug education, and drug use.
comparison:
Black market:
-age restrictions -- none (sole discretion of the drug dealer --- and if steppenwolf is right, the pusher man don't care)
- quality assurance -- none -- you go to buy some E, but end up with crystal meth, or a cut of this a cut of that
-safety -- none-- with drugs being illegal you'll have on the dealer's side cartels wagering war on the protectors of the law, war means violence, war means not safe. You've also got users who will be running from the law, high speed pursuits, violence, etc etc...
-information -- unreliable at best -- you go to your dealer to pick up something nice for the weekend, the dealer tells you you've gotta take 'x' amount, do a little this do a little that, whatever, probably from personal experience (at least the person is alive to tell you what they did). But it's doubtful that drug dealers will be completely honest with the buyer... example on how drug dealers are full of bullshit -- every time they get 'new' drugs they are 3 or 5 times better than the last time they had the drugs... if that were the case the next bag of chronic you buy should be so potent that you get high just from smelling it. (do you understand what i'm saying)
can you think of any other concerns to compare? post em up.
now vs. a decriminalized system
age restrictions-- yes and effective (at least insofar as the quality of id checking) don't think someone under the age of 25 should be able to take acid, easy, only 25 year olds can buy it. You can put strict punishments up for sale to minors, or buying drugs for a minor. I'm going to get $30,000 fine for buying a kid an 1/8 of pot, even if i think the kid should be able to smoke it, it's not really worth it for me to 'stick it to the man' and buy the kid some pot.
-quality assurance -- you won't have to be afraid of getting bunk shit if drugs were sold over the counter, when was the last time you were afraid that the bottle of captain was going to be anything other than 70 proof rum? With this you'll also get measured 'doses'.
safety-- the danger applies to the drug salesmen, we've already seen california put in pot vending machines, and we've seen people hold up the vending machine... but overall, i've got to say it'll be safer than what we have today...
information -- if drugs are decriminalized, you can get rid of the negative propaganda surrounding drug use. you can have actual science provide legitimate information about the dangers risks and effects. you'll have the measured doses -- while they may not be accurate for EVERYONE, we've still managed to figure out what constitutes a 'normal' dose for pretty much everything -- prescriptions to cereal. If you're afraid of something, the BEST thing you can do is learn more about it. Once you've learned about something then you can rationalize your fear. remember the girl on the Maury show who was afraid of pickles? Simply because you're afraid of something doesn't make it dangerous. Now if they did research on pickles and found that if you have too much dill on your pickle and it opens up a demon portal to the underworld and beasts would run out and destroy the world, maybe you could justify the fear. basically what i'm saying is fear with out knowledge is just emotion, and shouldn't be used as evidence as truth of something.
if you really want to make it MORE difficult for drug users to be able to get drugs, you legalize it and control the distribution. It's harder for kids to get Alcohol than it is for them to pick up a bag of drugs---any drugs... why??? because the black market doesn't give a fuck. If you decriminalize drugs put regulations on them and remove the negative propaganda, you can create a safer environment for drug distribution, drug education, and drug use.
comparison:
Black market:
-age restrictions -- none (sole discretion of the drug dealer --- and if steppenwolf is right, the pusher man don't care)
- quality assurance -- none -- you go to buy some E, but end up with crystal meth, or a cut of this a cut of that
-safety -- none-- with drugs being illegal you'll have on the dealer's side cartels wagering war on the protectors of the law, war means violence, war means not safe. You've also got users who will be running from the law, high speed pursuits, violence, etc etc...
-information -- unreliable at best -- you go to your dealer to pick up something nice for the weekend, the dealer tells you you've gotta take 'x' amount, do a little this do a little that, whatever, probably from personal experience (at least the person is alive to tell you what they did). But it's doubtful that drug dealers will be completely honest with the buyer... example on how drug dealers are full of bullshit -- every time they get 'new' drugs they are 3 or 5 times better than the last time they had the drugs... if that were the case the next bag of chronic you buy should be so potent that you get high just from smelling it. (do you understand what i'm saying)
can you think of any other concerns to compare? post em up.
now vs. a decriminalized system
age restrictions-- yes and effective (at least insofar as the quality of id checking) don't think someone under the age of 25 should be able to take acid, easy, only 25 year olds can buy it. You can put strict punishments up for sale to minors, or buying drugs for a minor. I'm going to get $30,000 fine for buying a kid an 1/8 of pot, even if i think the kid should be able to smoke it, it's not really worth it for me to 'stick it to the man' and buy the kid some pot.
-quality assurance -- you won't have to be afraid of getting bunk shit if drugs were sold over the counter, when was the last time you were afraid that the bottle of captain was going to be anything other than 70 proof rum? With this you'll also get measured 'doses'.
safety-- the danger applies to the drug salesmen, we've already seen california put in pot vending machines, and we've seen people hold up the vending machine... but overall, i've got to say it'll be safer than what we have today...
information -- if drugs are decriminalized, you can get rid of the negative propaganda surrounding drug use. you can have actual science provide legitimate information about the dangers risks and effects. you'll have the measured doses -- while they may not be accurate for EVERYONE, we've still managed to figure out what constitutes a 'normal' dose for pretty much everything -- prescriptions to cereal. If you're afraid of something, the BEST thing you can do is learn more about it. Once you've learned about something then you can rationalize your fear. remember the girl on the Maury show who was afraid of pickles? Simply because you're afraid of something doesn't make it dangerous. Now if they did research on pickles and found that if you have too much dill on your pickle and it opens up a demon portal to the underworld and beasts would run out and destroy the world, maybe you could justify the fear. basically what i'm saying is fear with out knowledge is just emotion, and shouldn't be used as evidence as truth of something.
user098123
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I dunno about you, but at least in my area getting alcohol is way way easier than getting hard drugs. Making products legal to those of a certain age makes it much easier for people to get ahold of them at least with everything I've experienced. If they ever did legalize harder drugs, they could get into kids hands much much easier than they do now. I'm not talking about shit like weed or anything like that either.
Plus, another reason they shouldn't be legalized is because of the high addiction rates and their potential fatality. I'm perfectly fine with legalization of weed, as well as some of the other minor drugs, but things like coke, heroin, lsd, meth? No way. Tons and tons of people would be getting addicted and overdosing if anyone could go out and buy that shit.
Plus, another reason they shouldn't be legalized is because of the high addiction rates and their potential fatality. I'm perfectly fine with legalization of weed, as well as some of the other minor drugs, but things like coke, heroin, lsd, meth? No way. Tons and tons of people would be getting addicted and overdosing if anyone could go out and buy that shit.
Tasche
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Weed changes fundamental ways a person thinks in a much different way than caffene. If you can't make this distinction... Same with alcohol
Any way I recentally red a study that was done on san francisco sewer system that showed that nearly 85% of people are regular drug users. Illegal drugs so everyone really is on drugs.
Any way I recentally red a study that was done on san francisco sewer system that showed that nearly 85% of people are regular drug users. Illegal drugs so everyone really is on drugs.
user098123
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It depends what they used to test it. You can get drug tests that are pads of porous paper, and you rub them on someones clothes and then send them in to a lab. It will tell you what drugs they have been using, if at all.
Well, because of the detection levels of these 'drug tests' almost nearly 90% of people test positive for cocaine, which obviously isn't true. Alot of drugs leave traces that can be almost possible to remove and can be transferred around just by accidental contact.
Well, because of the detection levels of these 'drug tests' almost nearly 90% of people test positive for cocaine, which obviously isn't true. Alot of drugs leave traces that can be almost possible to remove and can be transferred around just by accidental contact.
BMB
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dude ive been on drugs since day one, man they injected me with shit to help keep me alive man, while i was on ECMO there was so much shit in me that i looked inflated, but it didnt stop there, i was on the nebulizer when i was three, then i started doin Advair and singulair, and flovent, then it was serevent, then Albuterol(still sometimes), then foradil aerolizer, now im back on flovent, keep in mind these are all for asthma, also protopic and triamcinolone acetonide for my lupus, man drugs are great man. drugs are great.
user098123
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like? I don't have time to watch your video. And I never gave out any facts really so I don't know what you are talking about.
user098123
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Don't have time this week at least, finals week. But I don't see how that is bullshit. Crime rate won't change I don't think, but how will hospitalizations rates for OD's not change? If all the major hardcore drugs became legal they would definitely increase dramatically. They might even out over time, but its just the fact that they would be in the hands of more people so the rates would naturally be higher.
afton_steeze
Active member
alcohol is a different kind of drug than marijuana. but never said alcohol should be legal, did i?
you can decide for yourself which is worse.
you can decide for yourself which is worse.
pmills
Active member
you're still under the impressoin that drugs are super hard to find and that people are just dying to go out and score some black tar, but don't becaues it's illegal. Thats bullshit. Almost any drug can be found in any city in America. The black market is more accessable than the legal market, and there are no regulations at all. If you really want drugs you'll be able to get them very easily as it is.
Provide a legitamit system where people can learn about drugs honestly, and can get them in moderated amounts you're going to have an overall safer experiance.
Example of your flawed logic:
You saw more people diagnosed with sirosis of the liver durring the 1920's durring prohibition than the years immediatly following the ban on alchohol, completely opposite from what you would expect.
People who are going to use Heroin, crack etc. are going to do so regardless of the law. I doubt there are really that many people itching to get a monkey on their back but don't because the law says not to.
if you want to live in the "land of the free" you really can't support paternalistic laws like the war on drugs.
Provide a legitamit system where people can learn about drugs honestly, and can get them in moderated amounts you're going to have an overall safer experiance.
Example of your flawed logic:
You saw more people diagnosed with sirosis of the liver durring the 1920's durring prohibition than the years immediatly following the ban on alchohol, completely opposite from what you would expect.
People who are going to use Heroin, crack etc. are going to do so regardless of the law. I doubt there are really that many people itching to get a monkey on their back but don't because the law says not to.
if you want to live in the "land of the free" you really can't support paternalistic laws like the war on drugs.
afton_steeze
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meow.
i understand your point, but my post had nothing to do with alcohol, ergo it was kind of irrelevant...
if you'd like to elaborate on your point, you can do so here if you want.
i understand your point, but my post had nothing to do with alcohol, ergo it was kind of irrelevant...
if you'd like to elaborate on your point, you can do so here if you want.
magic_steve
Member
load up the bong
crank on the song
let the informer call 9-1-1
crank on the song
let the informer call 9-1-1
afton_steeze
Active member
how much haterade have you had today?
and just because i happen to agree with a law regarding illegal drugs doesn't mean i am a) on the "government's cock" [that's just immature, come on now] or b) i am not thinking for myself.
i have an opinion that is based on the general well being of society, and you say i'm not thinking for myself? sorry bro, but thats just sad.
and just because i happen to agree with a law regarding illegal drugs doesn't mean i am a) on the "government's cock" [that's just immature, come on now] or b) i am not thinking for myself.
i have an opinion that is based on the general well being of society, and you say i'm not thinking for myself? sorry bro, but thats just sad.
Changethattape
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Shut up you fucking peice of shit. Yea im not as articulate as she is. But it doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize she has thought this through and formed her own opinion. Clearly you have SUCH a great opinion judging by the post you wrote.
And bro just because your still on your bitch moms tit doesnt mean the rest of us suck mom tit
And bro just because your still on your bitch moms tit doesnt mean the rest of us suck mom tit
yeah and i dont agree with it. o im sorry, she thought it through so well, i guess im not a rocket scientist.
im sorry your a pussy and dont understand the greatness of marjiuana but maybe if you opened your eyes and realized that the world would be a better place if more people did it then you would probably not disagree.
im sorry your a pussy and dont understand the greatness of marjiuana but maybe if you opened your eyes and realized that the world would be a better place if more people did it then you would probably not disagree.
Alright sorry i know i was a little harsh but i just hate it when people think the governemnt should have control over peoples lives. Its not the governments job to regulate what people can and cannot put in their body's. One if we keep it illegal as we are now, 1. the government loses a buttload of money trying to enforce the laws. 2. the blackmarket keeps profiting. 3. if they did legalize it, the government could tax it and make fortunes.
BvK
Member
He is himself, and every one can say, or believe what he wants. when people say "who are you to tell me?" i see complete irony. what you are saying is you have no right to say that. but you are also saying that only your opinion matters, because why should they be able to say something to you?
he is equal to you, so he can say whatever he want. and he has every right to say it. on the other hand you can also say what you want... just be carful, because "who are you to tell me' contradicts its self in multiple ways.
he is equal to you, so he can say whatever he want. and he has every right to say it. on the other hand you can also say what you want... just be carful, because "who are you to tell me' contradicts its self in multiple ways.