Ahmets big announcement...

14528398:J_Steez said:
nah. just not interested in your weird essay

This topic requires considerable thought because it is nuanced and complicated. The reason this idea has actually gotten so out of hand is because it hasn't been given considerable thought by many. Rather, it is adopted haphazardly by individuals who lack critical thinking and that is the crux of the issue. Why would I adopt the ideals of this movement if the individuals who compose it cannot back it up with a well thought out argument? I would happily adopt this ideology if it was well developed. It actually folds quite quickly under scrutiny. Downvote me all you want. If you're going to reply to my comment, then make an effective argument. Doing nothing more than downvoting me and calling me weird isn't an effective argument.
 
i try and live my praxis and get my news from independent unbiased sources (ie. upstream, it could happen here, popular front, poor proles almanac, and journalists i follow on substack). ive done fire for the fs for the past few yrs and it's helped me see how i wanna live my life. leave as little impact as possible and try and be kind to yourself and others as you can, no ones perfect :)

we live in a society manufactured to be exploitative, that's just material reality for the however many billion ppl live on planet earth.

im v interested in history and educating myself so i can live in a way that i dont have to exploit others. the usa is objectively a white supremacist nation. take a nuanced approach to history in a dialectical way and youll see what im talking about. a majority of the founding fathers owned slaves. i aint brainwashed bud, im just privileged as fuck and find philosophy and new frameworks through which to see the world, fascinating.

i understand where youre coming from because leftist theory aint super accessible and is hella taboo to talk about but saying that im essentially the same as ahmet (him being openly super transphobic) because im talking about real world implications of how our economic and social systems are set up to take advantage of ppl? sounds a bit unhinged dawg

and since you dont understand the current political climate of the united states (ie facism and white supremacy and capitalism) i doubt youd have came across dialectics, so heres a definition

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14528429:binto said:
There is some crazy comments from both sides in this thread, but your one takes the cake bud.

"Fascist", "Capitalism", "white supremacy"??? What makes you think you're any different than OP? Do yourself a favour and turn off the news bud, it's brainwashing you.
 
there is literally no 'universal truth'. the only constant in nature is chaos

14528473:Craw_Daddy said:
Fibonacci formulated a different method of multiplication the product is still the same in the end. The method that your phone uses to multiply binary numbers and reflect them back to you as decimal numbers is completely different from the method that Fibonacci devised but at the end of the day that number is still the same. No matter what method you use to multiply the result will be the same because multiplication is a fundamental and universal truth. In that same vein, it is a universal truth that there are two distinct sexes in humans and thus there are two distinct genders.
 
using big words doesnt change that youre a bigot lol

14528592:JAHSHUA said:
This topic requires considerable thought because it is nuanced and complicated. The reason this idea has actually gotten so out of hand is because it hasn't been given considerable thought by many. Rather, it is adopted haphazardly by individuals who lack critical thinking and that is the crux of the issue. Why would I adopt the ideals of this movement if the individuals who compose it cannot back it up with a well thought out argument? I would happily adopt this ideology if it was well developed. It actually folds quite quickly under scrutiny. Downvote me all you want. If you're going to reply to my comment, then make an effective argument. Doing nothing more than downvoting me and calling me weird isn't an effective argument.
 
14528648:fucintight said:
using big words doesnt change that youre a bigot lol

The pride people take in being stupid is remarkable. I am not a bigot. I simply will not be forced to believe in an erratic fantasy constructed at the hands of mislead utopian children.

 
you used a ben shapiro tt ???? pls dude, youre doing my work for me

14528743:JAHSHUA said:
The pride people take in being stupid is remarkable. I am not a bigot. I simply will not be forced to believe in an erratic fantasy constructed at the hands of mislead utopian children.

 
14528592:JAHSHUA said:
This topic requires considerable thought because it is nuanced and complicated. The reason this idea has actually gotten so out of hand is because it hasn't been given considerable thought by many. Rather, it is adopted haphazardly by individuals who lack critical thinking and that is the crux of the issue. Why would I adopt the ideals of this movement if the individuals who compose it cannot back it up with a well thought out argument? I would happily adopt this ideology if it was well developed. It actually folds quite quickly under scrutiny. Downvote me all you want. If you're going to reply to my comment, then make an effective argument. Doing nothing more than downvoting me and calling me weird isn't an effective argument.

I 100% agree with you that this is a nuanced and complicated issue. But your poorly written novel grossly oversimplified multiple issues and completely lacked nuance. You are obviously indoctrinated and incapable of recognizing that the world is more complex than your weird little reality. True critical thinkers approach issues with curiosity and acknowledge the limitations of their understanding and conclusions. Critical thinkers also don't need to tell everyone how smart they are like you have down consistently in your posts.
 
I am honestly annoyed that everyone treats this issue as a simple binary with a yes or no answer. No one is saying that fully grown sex-assigned males should be able to transition and immediately compete in women's sports. That is obviously not fair in the majority of sports. This is a relatively new issue in sports, and much more research is needed to make the best guidelines possible. Current regulations are based on the best evidence we have right now, even if that data is incomplete. Regulations for each sport and athlete will evolve as new research becomes available. Whatever changes need to be made should be data-driven instead of relying on preconceived opinions and biases.

That being said, lay off the trans athletes. They are following current guidelines, and it isn't their fucking fault that current regulations aren't perfect. If you have an issue, take it up with governing bodies of every sport, but don't target these athletes. These athletes are just trying to survive out there. You can be empathetic to the struggles trans people face even if you disagree with current guidelines.
 
spittin facts

14528845:alpha.moose said:
I 100% agree with you that this is a nuanced and complicated issue. But your poorly written novel grossly oversimplified multiple issues and completely lacked nuance. You are obviously indoctrinated and incapable of recognizing that the world is more complex than your weird little reality. True critical thinkers approach issues with curiosity and acknowledge the limitations of their understanding and conclusions. Critical thinkers also don't need to tell everyone how smart they are like you have down consistently in your posts.
 
14528845:alpha.moose said:
I 100% agree with you that this is a nuanced and complicated issue. But your poorly written novel grossly oversimplified multiple issues and completely lacked nuance. You are obviously indoctrinated and incapable of recognizing that the world is more complex than your weird little reality. True critical thinkers approach issues with curiosity and acknowledge the limitations of their understanding and conclusions. Critical thinkers also don't need to tell everyone how smart they are like you have down consistently in your posts.

I’m pretty fuckin smart.

I am not indoctrinated into any belief system. And I agree, the world is complex beyond comprehension which is humbling.

however, what is not complex is gender. Gender is based on a biological reality. This is not a commentary on mentality: I understand there can be men who have very very feminine characteristics and mentalities. And vice versa. Nonetheless, sex is based on biology. Anyone who attempts to argue there is no such thing as physical gender is delusional. I have no idea why we are letting men undergo sex changes and then beat the shit out of women in a boxing ring (there’s a dude doing this who has broken multiple chicks’ faces / bones). He of course is labeled as brave and heroic by the believers of this movement.

so in regards to your point, what is your argument for this movement? Give me a good reason why men should be able to suddenly identify as women and overtake female sports? Once again, I am not for or against anything until it has been rationally proven. In regards to this movement, I would have been for it if it made sense, so please make an argument for it making it sense.

So it’s okay for a man to switch sexes and then break womens faces in the rings? That’s okay with you?

it okay with you for children not to be able to drive cars, buy alcohol, cigarettes etc until 16-21, but it is okay for them to choose their sex at age 4 and undergo surgery at the encouragement of their parents? That’s okay with you? Prove your point.
 
14528846:alpha.moose said:
I am honestly annoyed that everyone treats this issue as a simple binary with a yes or no answer. No one is saying that fully grown sex-assigned males should be able to transition and immediately compete in women's sports. That is obviously not fair in the majority of sports. This is a relatively new issue in sports, and much more research is needed to make the best guidelines possible. Current regulations are based on the best evidence we have right now, even if that data is incomplete. Regulations for each sport and athlete will evolve as new research becomes available. Whatever changes need to be made should be data-driven instead of relying on preconceived opinions and biases.

That being said, lay off the trans athletes. They are following current guidelines, and it isn't their fucking fault that current regulations aren't perfect. If you have an issue, take it up with governing bodies of every sport, but don't target these athletes. These athletes are just trying to survive out there. You can be empathetic to the struggles trans people face even if you disagree with current guidelines.

There's such thing as personal responsibility and character. It's not the government's job to completely guide your thinking unless you're a helpless lemming. By your line of reasoning, if there were government guidelines to murdering someone else and it was legal, then it would be okay to murder someone else. People who entirely outsource their thinking to bureaucracy are lacking in intelligence and as a result, are also very dangerous. When individuals shirk their own moral responsibility and outsource their thinking to the government, we end up with situations like Nazi Germany.
 
14528898:steeze_louise said:
epic memes u just can't handle them, I try to contribute but u block my threads

9/10 of your memes are cringe and remind me of my 14 year old self who binged feminist rage and ben shapiro compilations on youtube
 
14528898:steeze_louise said:
epic memes u just can't handle them, I try to contribute but u block my threads

""epic memes""

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14528846:alpha.moose said:
That being said, lay off the trans athletes. They are following current guidelines, and it isn't their fucking fault that current regulations aren't perfect. If you have an issue, take it up with governing bodies of every sport, but don't target these athletes. These athletes are just trying to survive out there. You can be empathetic to the struggles trans people face even if you disagree with current guidelines.

Biological women who have an issue with it are taking it up with governing bodies, and are starting to see policy changes making things more fair for them. That doesn't mean other people should not be welcome to express their opinion on it, though. People say "why do you care it doesn't affect you." Well, why do you care about systemically racist policies that do not affect you as a white person? Its a really dumb argument.

Also, this isn't trans women "just trying to survive out there." Its trans women inserting themselves into women's spaces and then crying TrAnSpHoBe if anyone says a word about it. They are perfectly welcome to compete in men's divisions, where a lot of them have enjoyed long, successful careers already.
 
14528925:bustedpivot said:
Biological women who have an issue with it are taking it up with governing bodies, and are starting to see policy changes making things more fair for them. That doesn't mean other people should not be welcome to express their opinion on it, though. People say "why do you care it doesn't affect you." Well, why do you care about systemically racist policies that do not affect you as a white person? Its a really dumb argument.

Also, this isn't trans women "just trying to survive out there." Its trans women inserting themselves into women's spaces and then crying TrAnSpHoBe if anyone says a word about it. They are perfectly welcome to compete in men's divisions, where a lot of them have enjoyed long, successful careers already.

Never said you can't have an opinion even if you aren't a woman. You can disagree with the current rules and advocate for change without being transphobic. My point is that even if you disagree you can treat trans people with dignity and respect.
 
this website has become a woke cesspool of ideological nonsense, thats why no Pro's come here anymore. EHeath thinks he's a newschoolers god who has superior opinions than anyone else, anyone who objects to his, or his cult like followers must be downvoted and lambasted. When someone comes writes something longer than a paragraph, with fair points and real world examples you simply respond with "Too long, didnt read". Its simply because you have no basis for your argument whatsoever. Then continue to throw out a couple key words such as Bigot, transphobe, fascist, or white supremecist. Ya'll have the viewpoint of either 100 percent for us, or 100 percent against us. If you are against this neoliberal nonsense then you must be a right wing nazi, and if you are right wing you are racist. I dont blame you, because this isthe propaganda thats been shoved down your throat without you being able to see it.

I guess these days its becoming a more rare ability for someone to see through propaganda. Propaganda makes you believe its okay to give kids double masectomies, chemical and physical castrations, hormone blockers, in the name of "saving these kids". Propaganda makes you believe that men can declare themselves women, and when you identify as a woman, then its a fair playing ground to compete against other women. Propaganda makes you believe that every white person is inherently racist. That Biden is competent when hes clearly suffering from dimentia. Makes you believe that covid was one of the most dangerous diseases in history and wearing a facemask is going to save your grandma. Makes you believe Big pharma is your friend and trying to save you as they force entire populations into taking dangerous substances while obtaining record profits. That teaching sexuality to kindergarteners is normal. That anyone who doesnt fall for your side is the enemy, and even black politicians with conservative views must be white supremecists. Do you guys really not see how absurd all this is?! Do you just dig yourselves deeper into this ideology just to prove how not racist you are to score social points with your peers?

Its a dangerous time when objective truths become labeled as hate speech. When the party can make you believe 2 + 2 equals 5, the party knows that they have won. This is the orwellian society that 1984 warned about. A society that simplifies the english language under the term "Newspeak" in order to limit its peoples understandings and controls the minds and feelings of its population. A society that lives in perpetuall warfare at the whim of a government that makes you believe only they can protect you. Its an objective truth that a man is built differently than a woman, that is why we have a men and women categories. You kids are buying into one lie after another, and sacrificing whole generations of female achievements while spewing out the same lines you've been conditioned into repeating. People being selected and awarded "Woman of the year" cant even have periods for gods sake. Ya'll talk about misogyny yet this ideology has replaced worthy women with biological Men. That is misogyny. Ya'll talk about anti racism, yet you automatically jump to conclusions just by looking at the color of peoples skin and determining whether they have privelege or not. That is Racism. Ya'll jump at the thoats of pro lifers for standing up for the objective truth that a fetus in the wound is a human being and claim that you care about peoples lives. You think you live in a white supremicist, fascist US while disregarding that the US is falling into a socialist distopia. While anyone who has ever come from a communist country has called out all the signs of the same destiny for the US at the current plight.

One day I pray ya'll see through this insanity before its too late, because right now you are being used by the same corporations that have cause human suffering for ages. Whether its the industrial war complex, the big pharma complex, or the hypersexualization of children.
 
14528942:Lafam said:
this website has become a woke cesspool of ideological nonsense, thats why no Pro's come here anymore. EHeath thinks he's a newschoolers god who has superior opinions than anyone else, anyone who objects to his, or his cult like followers must be downvoted and lambasted.

i have stayed out of anything involving you ahmet, you could at least do the same for me. all ive done in this thread is call out trolls for being trolls.

what youre talking about exists on NS but it has nothing to do with me, there are cliques that go around up voting/down voting for sure, there are a group of 5-10 people who downvote me constantly for example.

I dont have a cult like following on here, i still get shit on and constantly called out by idiots, please refrain from bringing me into something that has nothing to do with me, thank you.

**This post was edited on Apr 12th 2023 at 6:23:21pm
 
14528942:Lafam said:
this website has become a woke cesspool of ideological nonsense, thats why no Pro's come here anymore. EHeath thinks he's a newschoolers god who has superior opinions than anyone else, anyone who objects to his, or his cult like followers must be downvoted and lambasted. When someone comes writes something longer than a paragraph, with fair points and real world examples you simply respond with "Too long, didnt read". Its simply because you have no basis for your argument whatsoever. Then continue to throw out a couple key words such as Bigot, transphobe, fascist, or white supremecist. Ya'll have the viewpoint of either 100 percent for us, or 100 percent against us. If you are against this neoliberal nonsense then you must be a right wing nazi, and if you are right wing you are racist. I dont blame you, because this isthe propaganda thats been shoved down your throat without you being able to see it.

I guess these days its becoming a more rare ability for someone to see through propaganda. Propaganda makes you believe its okay to give kids double masectomies, chemical and physical castrations, hormone blockers, in the name of "saving these kids". Propaganda makes you believe that men can declare themselves women, and when you identify as a woman, then its a fair playing ground to compete against other women. Propaganda makes you believe that every white person is inherently racist. That Biden is competent when hes clearly suffering from dimentia. Makes you believe that covid was one of the most dangerous diseases in history and wearing a facemask is going to save your grandma. Makes you believe Big pharma is your friend and trying to save you as they force entire populations into taking dangerous substances while obtaining record profits. That teaching sexuality to kindergarteners is normal. That anyone who doesnt fall for your side is the enemy, and even black politicians with conservative views must be white supremecists. Do you guys really not see how absurd all this is?! Do you just dig yourselves deeper into this ideology just to prove how not racist you are to score social points with your peers?

Its a dangerous time when objective truths become labeled as hate speech. When the party can make you believe 2 + 2 equals 5, the party knows that they have won. This is the orwellian society that 1984 warned about. A society that simplifies the english language under the term "Newspeak" in order to limit its peoples understandings and controls the minds and feelings of its population. A society that lives in perpetuall warfare at the whim of a government that makes you believe only they can protect you. Its an objective truth that a man is built differently than a woman, that is why we have a men and women categories. You kids are buying into one lie after another, and sacrificing whole generations of female achievements while spewing out the same lines you've been conditioned into repeating. People being selected and awarded "Woman of the year" cant even have periods for gods sake. Ya'll talk about misogyny yet this ideology has replaced worthy women with biological Men. That is misogyny. Ya'll talk about anti racism, yet you automatically jump to conclusions just by looking at the color of peoples skin and determining whether they have privelege or not. That is Racism. Ya'll jump at the thoats of pro lifers for standing up for the objective truth that a fetus in the wound is a human being and claim that you care about peoples lives. You think you live in a white supremicist, fascist US while disregarding that the US is falling into a socialist distopia. While anyone who has ever come from a communist country has called out all the signs of the same destiny for the US at the current plight.

One day I pray ya'll see through this insanity before its too late, because right now you are being used by the same corporations that have cause human suffering for ages. Whether its the industrial war complex, the big pharma complex, or the hypersexualization of children.

Too long, didnt read
 
14528946:eheath said:
i have stayed out of anything involving you ahmet, you could at least do the same for me. all ive done in this thread is call out trolls for being trolls.

what youre talking about exists on NS but it has nothing to do with me, there are cliques that go around up voting/down voting for sure, there are a group of 5-10 people who downvote me constantly for example.

I dont have a cult like following on here, i still get shit on and constantly called out by idiots, please refrain from bringing me into something that has nothing to do with me, thank you.

**This post was edited on Apr 12th 2023 at 6:23:21pm

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14528942:Lafam said:
this website has become a woke cesspool of ideological nonsense, thats why no Pro's come here anymore. EHeath thinks he's a newschoolers god who has superior opinions than anyone else, anyone who objects to his, or his cult like followers must be downvoted and lambasted. When someone comes writes something longer than a paragraph, with fair points and real world examples you simply respond with "Too long, didnt read". Its simply because you have no basis for your argument whatsoever. Then continue to throw out a couple key words such as Bigot, transphobe, fascist, or white supremecist. Ya'll have the viewpoint of either 100 percent for us, or 100 percent against us. If you are against this neoliberal nonsense then you must be a right wing nazi, and if you are right wing you are racist. I dont blame you, because this isthe propaganda thats been shoved down your throat without you being able to see it.

I guess these days its becoming a more rare ability for someone to see through propaganda. Propaganda makes you believe its okay to give kids double masectomies, chemical and physical castrations, hormone blockers, in the name of "saving these kids". Propaganda makes you believe that men can declare themselves women, and when you identify as a woman, then its a fair playing ground to compete against other women. Propaganda makes you believe that every white person is inherently racist. That Biden is competent when hes clearly suffering from dimentia. Makes you believe that covid was one of the most dangerous diseases in history and wearing a facemask is going to save your grandma. Makes you believe Big pharma is your friend and trying to save you as they force entire populations into taking dangerous substances while obtaining record profits. That teaching sexuality to kindergarteners is normal. That anyone who doesnt fall for your side is the enemy, and even black politicians with conservative views must be white supremecists. Do you guys really not see how absurd all this is?! Do you just dig yourselves deeper into this ideology just to prove how not racist you are to score social points with your peers?

Its a dangerous time when objective truths become labeled as hate speech. When the party can make you believe 2 + 2 equals 5, the party knows that they have won. This is the orwellian society that 1984 warned about. A society that simplifies the english language under the term "Newspeak" in order to limit its peoples understandings and controls the minds and feelings of its population. A society that lives in perpetuall warfare at the whim of a government that makes you believe only they can protect you. Its an objective truth that a man is built differently than a woman, that is why we have a men and women categories. You kids are buying into one lie after another, and sacrificing whole generations of female achievements while spewing out the same lines you've been conditioned into repeating. People being selected and awarded "Woman of the year" cant even have periods for gods sake. Ya'll talk about misogyny yet this ideology has replaced worthy women with biological Men. That is misogyny. Ya'll talk about anti racism, yet you automatically jump to conclusions just by looking at the color of peoples skin and determining whether they have privelege or not. That is Racism. Ya'll jump at the thoats of pro lifers for standing up for the objective truth that a fetus in the wound is a human being and claim that you care about peoples lives. You think you live in a white supremicist, fascist US while disregarding that the US is falling into a socialist distopia. While anyone who has ever come from a communist country has called out all the signs of the same destiny for the US at the current plight.

One day I pray ya'll see through this insanity before its too late, because right now you are being used by the same corporations that have cause human suffering for ages. Whether its the industrial war complex, the big pharma complex, or the hypersexualization of children.

dude if you could just articulate ur thoughts like u just did, instead of making autistic posts of u cross dressing on IG to get ur point across, you would influence people so much more effectively. Trans people regardless of how you feel about them still deserve ur respect, just like any other human being....

i agree with a lot of what u just said, but the way you go about it sometimes is in such bad taste.

take care man
 
14528949:supremeblientele said:
dude if you could just articulate ur thoughts like u just did, instead of making autistic posts of u cross dressing on IG to get ur point across, you would influence people so much more effectively. Trans people regardless of how you feel about them still deserve ur respect, just like any other human being....

i agree with a lot of what u just said, but the way you go about it sometimes is in such bad taste.

take care man

watching opening segment from Eye Trip right now, trying hard to separate art from artist.

Help
 
14528946:eheath said:
i have stayed out of anything involving you ahmet, you could at least do the same for me. all ive done in this thread is call out trolls for being trolls.

what youre talking about exists on NS but it has nothing to do with me, there are cliques that go around up voting/down voting for sure, there are a group of 5-10 people who downvote me constantly for example.

I dont have a cult like following on here, i still get shit on and constantly called out by idiots, please refrain from bringing me into something that has nothing to do with me, thank you.

**This post was edited on Apr 12th 2023 at 6:23:21pm

You're right E Heath, and I'm sorry I called you out directly like that. The reason I did so is I constantly see your name on these threads and always seem to be calling the people that appear to be agreeing with my perspective out for being "bigots" or idiots or trolls. Some of them do, of course, post things to get a response out of their opponents here, and thats because its too easy to hit the trigger button and see their implosions of key word name calling. Again, I'm sorry to call you out directly.

For those saying that trans people "deserve my respect", again, you are putting individual people into groups as if they are all the same. This is such a horrible way to divide people and unfortunately this woke movement has divided Americans into more groups than ever before. Divide and Conquer. As for my respect, Men who join, then dominate womens sports do not deserve any respect. They should be embarrassed of themselves. Again, i want to remind you guys, I am not transphobic despite your conclusions. I'm against the insanity this has been taken to when doctors can mutilate childrens bodies, and feed them pills that fuck with some of the most important developemental processes a human being goes through. I'm against the teachers preaching their ideology in schools to their students, social media , and ad campaigns targeting young children to this delusion. Yes, it is a delusion. I'm against Parents that declare their kid to be trans before they can even read a book. IT's CHILD ABUSE, plain and simple.

There has always been some people that feel they are born into the wrong body throughout all of time, but nowhere near the amount we are seeing today, Its not coincidence that its growing, when it becomes popularized and rewarded. There are even places in california that are trying to give trans people monthly incomes!! There are men going to womens prisons, Men changing in womens locker rooms with young girls She dick out and everything, even Men breaking womens records in sports and all they have to do is tuck their dick and balls, put some make up on, and identify as a woman. Those ones do not deserve an ounce of respect from me. Maybe ya'll should take some time and actually ponder that before you answer back to defend this craziness.
 
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