Accidental Bombing in Kandahar

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Lanemeyers

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I'm not about to go shooting my mouth off regarding the above incident, however, all that I've heard and read about the accidental bombing has been the American pilots making up excuses as to why it happened. e.g. 'we we're on Amphetamines, our goggles were hindering our view, etc.

First off, I don't think I'd be flying a jet at Mach speeds if my sight was impaired, or if I was tired. Would you drive a car down a road with your eyes closed? Or if you were on speed? With bazookas strapped to the nose of your Buick?

Secondly, instead of fighting over this, and finger pointing, how are we going to prevent such a tragedy from happening again? It is always ours, and theirs, first concern to 'cover our asses' and it is sickening when this takes the forefront after a loss of lives, prior to an apology....

I know this is old news but due to the court hearings currently underway, I thought I'd bring it to the surface again to see what others thought. American and Canadian views....

Thanks, peace....

jonas

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well if you watch the video tape it seems like it's not the fault of the pilot and more the fault of ... ground control? - whoever was on the radio with them. The told them a few seconds after they had bombed them that they were canadians. they should have said to hold off for further information.

-Mike

'Isn't 14 legal for everyone?' - Dave Pauls
 
Ugh, these things happen, but they seem to be getting less and less in frequency...

The only way to prevent this kind of stuff is to keep pilots better informed, better rested, and off stimulants. Also, mabye rely less on instrumentation and computing and more on sight.

-Andy

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But did Ground Control admit mistakes? And I heard the pilots say that their goggles hindered their view, and they were on amphetamines.... Lots of confusion no doubt when in the air but nonetheless, seems a touch careless when flying a jet and dropping bombs....where's the credibility?

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This here has been the typical response, and I hesitate to say 'American response', but:

'Ugh, these things happen, but they seem to be getting less and less in frequency...'

Specific protocol should be put in place to prevent these things from happening. If not, we should be flying planes and dropping missiles.....

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i agree with jonas here. i mean how can thi be taken so lightly. no offence to you andy. but your only comment was 'well these things are becomming less and less' which is good of course. BUT THEY SHOULDNT HAPPEN IN THE FIRST PLACE! there should be a set of things to follow before droping a bomb. like making sure the target is what is intend to be. not some inocent people who in turn are trying to help the american's in their war/fight against terrorism. jonas is right from many typical (not all) american responses to this incident they are all passive. ready to set the blame on something other than themselves. people make mistakes sure. live up to it though. dont be blaming it on something else. if your in the wrong. your in the wrong.. its not like canada will now fight against you. like what we're going to send in the penguins? and cover you with maple syrop?

i dont know so much
 
I mean, 'if not, we shouldn't be flying planes, etc....'

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duuhhh what does this red button do? i think ill push it

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If we had cleaned up our mess back in 1991 we wouldn't even be discussing this. We killed more of our selves in desert storm then the enemy did so if your one of the UN forces from another country you just might to duck when you see American troops. We don't mean to shit just happens.

 
Fuck you guys. My responce is absolutely true. 'These things happen' is absolutely true. Its not a good thing. But they do happen. There is no such thing as something that goes completely perfect. I'm not blowing it off.

You fucking critical assholes.

-Andy

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Ugh.

Commander of the Silent Army

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I got so battered last night that I had to send my clients around the corner so I could run behind a tree to be sick. Unfortunately I fell into a snow hole under a pine tree and the impact of falling into an eight foot deep trench made me vomit on myself-love Bawbsy....
 
wow, has anyone seen the footage? its crazy, the reacted way to fast, didn't give any chance for control to tell them to back off, but the pilots sure felt bad afterthough, you cn tell by there voices right after control told them to disengage.

'proud citzen of the NS Isle'

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I haven't heard too much about this... haven't seen the tapes or anything... All I can say is, the only sure way to stop things like this from happening is... to stop dropping bombs.

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go to Canada.com and go to national news, it will let you see the footage

'proud citzen of the NS Isle'

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i don't want to be a bitch andy but you're wrong. Friendly fire rates are becoming more and more common. For example gulf war about %24 of american casualties were friendly fire. I can't remember the exact statistics but i know in the afghanistan campain this number was even higher. And it's not technology thats failing, it's those controlling it. For example if you remember the big prison revolt in afghanistan. A american soldier had forgot to reset his GPS intrument to the right position and ended up calling an airstrike on his own position. I'm canadian and i'm not all that sure if the pilots should be on trial, but I do think that there should be something done. Kami's solution may yet be the best one.

'we need lectures from people, not from soviet canuckistan'-american 'intellect'
 
Make Music, Not Babies! or something like that.....

Commander of the Silent Army

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I got so battered last night that I had to send my clients around the corner so I could run behind a tree to be sick. Unfortunately I fell into a snow hole under a pine tree and the impact of falling into an eight foot deep trench made me vomit on myself-love Bawbsy....
 
that is a typical american response! yeah these things happen but not to another country giving you their military support to help you avenge the deaths of the people in sept 11 or was it that afganistan has a shitload of oil benieth it? that's still kinda shady!

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Fuck you all, Canada fucking sucks. It's filled with whiny assholes who take what people say way too fucking seriously. Here's an American responce for you. 'Good that the bombs killed those fucking Canadian bastards, thats less that we have to worry about when we're integrating the country as the 51st state'

Fuck you Canada.

-Andy

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Oh yeah, and Afghanistan doesnt have oil underneath it you dumb cunt. Who's more misinformed now? Huh?

-Andy

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Andy, you're coming off as a real asshole man.

Canada rocks the house.

And the whole entire continent that Afghanistan sits on is extremely rich in oil and gold deposits...actually.

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Oh, I'm the asshole now am I? You're the one with all the fuck America bullshit for the last couple months. I'm sick of reading it. So I'm feeding you your own damn medicine. Pissed off misinformed posts.

-Andy

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haha, keep digging Andy.

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i agree with andy... but not so offesively. it REALLY sucks that those people were kill. but they seriously thought that the canadians were firing on them. they didn't have time to wait around, they easily could have been shot down if it really was enemy fire. as far as the prosecution of these pilots--more americans have been killed by friendly fire during this 'war' and nobody has gone to trial because they are accidents. it's sad, but accidents happen. to all the canadians out there: i'm sorry this shit happened, i wish it was prevented.

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the only thing I have to add to this converstation, and excuse me if it has been brought up before, is 'how would things be different if the roles were reversed?' If Canada had accidentally killed innocent US troops I doubt that the US would treat the situation with such passiveness. As always this is just my opinion.

'...if it weren't for harvey we would all be in the freeze forum.'

 
there;'s a big difference between the way nik (the good way)handled it and the way andy did.

Andy you got some serious issues with putting youself in other people's shoes. it really shouldn't be hard but if some canadian pilots killed american soldiers how would you react if our whole country felt like this. 'oh well we'll try to work on things for the future' - which is basically what you said.

keep fighting generalizations with generalizations andy I'm sure you'll win an argument, probably when we all decide to stop responding.

-Mike

'Isn't 14 legal for everyone?' - Dave Pauls
 
it's ironic how you're criticising people for stereotyping americans yet you're conforming to the stereotype.

-Mike

'Isn't 14 legal for everyone?' - Dave Pauls
 
Exactly right Mikey.

And America would have seen it very differently if someone else had 'accidently' killed their troops, and especially if they had an 'oh well' attitude.

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What the fuck did I generalize? Explain that to me. I didn't stereotype anything. If I said 'Damn, those beaver hat, plaid wearing, Canadians sure got what was coming' Then I'd be stereotyping. But all I said was that these things happen, and I offered some sympathy. And you dumb fucks jumped on me for it. I'm tired of that shit. You guys are all dumb fucks as far as I'm concerned and I'm tired of arguing politics with people who twist words, ignore half of an argument, use opinions and not facts to 'prove' something. And people who generally don't understand what the hell they are talking about.

You know what? The whole thing wouldn't have happened, had the Canadians had their facts straight and not shot at the planes. If I were shot at, I'd probably shoot back too. It doesn't matter who is shooting at you. But SOMEONE is shooting at you.

-Andy

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I agree w/ andy. Usually i don't get angry about this shit, i just listen to peoples shit and make my point w/ facts and logic, but come on, how can you jump on him for saying this happens sometimes, it just does. I don't consider myself a typical american pig, either, i have lived out of the country for a long period of time and have friends from all over europe. So let me maybe present a few facts of my own and not just knee jerk reactions.

The reason the friendly fire stats are getting worse is because we haven't fought anybody since vietnam that could actually kill our troops, and i don't mean just american troops i mean coalition forces. yeah maybe the rate of people killed by frindly fire in '91 was 45% or whatever that guy said, but that's b/c only like 140 people died total. if the iraqis (sp?) could acyually kill our troops this statistic wouldn't be so great. further we are obviously gonna fight a war w/ similar tactics no matter where it is (remeber i said similar, not the same). this is gonna cause about the same amount of friendly fire incidents over a 3 month period (desert storm) as any other conflict. thus since the friendly fire incidents are about the same over any three month period but our enemies haven't really managed to kill anybody like in previous conflicts the rate of deaths by friendly fire will increase. if that doesn't make sense to you, don't try arguing.

It just pisses me off b/c I feel these two people that volunteered to defend our way of life, Canadian and american both (don't kid yourself into thinking canada's safety and success isn't tied directly to the US) are being put on criminal trial b/c the victims are canadian and not american. I understand the pilots should be punished but this is the frist time a criminal trial has ever been used for a friendly fire incident, yet many americans have been killed by other americans b/c of friendly fire. Even general Lee was wounded by friendly fire in the civil war, this is not a new thing. i just feel it would not have gone this far if the US was not trying to appease canada.

Also, don't forget these 4 canadians were in the armed froces to fight a war, they knew the risk they were taking. it's not like they were driving their car and someone dropped a bomb on them, they were fighting a war, even more so, they had rifles and were practicing shooting at night, possibly into the air (it hasn't been proven that they were or were not firing into the air), and the pilots had been briefed that they would be fired at by al queda troops.

Okay here is my last rant that will probably make everybody want to yell at me, but i'm gonna say it anyway. Canada has benefited from the actions of the US for a long long time. We have lost many americans in conflicts to protect and extend (notice i even admitted we may fight to better) our interests. and canada has ultimately benefited as well. However, canada hasn't lost a person in conflict since the korean war. now they lose 4 troops on accident, in an incident that is indeed as much a part of war as killing the enemy is, and we want to throw them in jail for 64 years to please canada. BULLSHIT.

I am deeply sorry for the families and friend of the 4 killed and canada as a nation, and i don't even have a problem w/ the nation as a whole being upset and saddened, i am just as angry w/ my own country for putting these two soldiers on criminal trial. i just don't think they deserve to be tried as criminals and thrown in jail for 64 years. so now maybe you understand my point of view.

 
'Fuck you all, Canada fucking sucks. It's filled with whiny assholes who take what people say way too fucking seriously. Here's an American responce for you. 'Good that the bombs killed those fucking Canadian bastards, thats less that we have to worry about when we're integrating the country as the 51st state'

Fuck you Canada.'

Hey Andy, thanks a bunch man! I've skipped over so many posts in the last months that I wanted to burn you on! But didn't cause I felt sorry for you regarding the thread when you gave us your sympathy sob story. But now.... you can go fuck yourself. I didn't want this thread to turn into this but.... I have lost any respect I had for you!

P.S. Seriously go fuck yourself!

Jonas

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I got so battered last night that I had to send my clients around the corner so I could run behind a tree to be sick. Unfortunately I fell into a snow hole under a pine tree and the impact of falling into an eight foot deep trench made me vomit on myself-love Bawbsy....
 
yeah i've got to agree with jonas here on this one andy. i knew you back in the day when you were having all those troubles. and i tried to stand by you and be supportive. and lately (i know this is the net..) your been posting shit towards my country. (i.e. your fuck you canada post) mike mentioned you should try and be in the other shoes. now if i directed a post just to say that americans are fat and dumb and an overpopulated hick country. everyone would flip on me. u esspecially. i dont appreciate you saying that my country sucks. because we dont. and you are stereotyping. yor not the only prson in this thread to do so. but still. and to whoever the guy was. yes canada does lean on the us for support. we never denied that. but honestly this thread was directed at an incident that an american set of pilots accidentally killed four candians.. and andy's first comment basicly said what people didnt want to hear. the 'typical' american response. yes things happen. things do happen! OK GOOD WE ALL KNOW THAT.. but last time i checked your country is fighting this war. INSTIGATING THIS WAR. please if you can give me reasons as to why this war should happen?? but im talkig about way in the beginning after sept 11. like yes osama. go find him. do what u need to to get him. but now why is your country going to disrupt the world. please. try to reason that out.

i dont know so much
 
sorry andy, afganhistan has the world's largest untapped oil resource underneith it!

Viva la Resistance!

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For every person there is a story...

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Where did you get that information. I thought the only United States interest in Afghanistan was about the trans-afghan pipeline that wanted to be build. Not about Untapped oil. And don't bring up oil, because I already crushed people in that argument before, and all I have to do is post a simple link to my earlier posts showing my facts and statistics I gathered, and you'll quiet yourself on that subject.

-Andy

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Holy shit guys AFGHANISTAN DOES NOT HAVE ANY OIL UNDERNEATH IT!!!!!!!!!! However, if you can read a map, you can see that Afghanistan is near the Caspian Sea and Dauletabad oil field (owned by Turkmenistan). Here is a fact for you guys. Total oil reserves of the Caspian Sea region, estimated at above 200 BBL (billion barrels), exceeds that of Western Europe and or the United States (110 BBL) and puts it in second place after the Middle East (700 BBL). Oil prospects in Afhganistan has to do with running a pipeline through Afghanistan from the sea. Everyone with interests in this including Muslim nations agree that a stable Afghanistan is needed for this to be plausible. Once again Afghanistan does not sit on oil, but it does border Turkmenistan, which is also bordered by Iran, and Uzbekistan. NO OIL FOR AFGHANISTAN! Every leader in western Europe has wanted part of the Caspian sea, even Hitler. American's aren't the only ones going after oil over there, if you don't believe me look at this.

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I know this doesn't have so much to do w/ the specific post topic but it has been brought up million times before, so I decided to incoporate it.

Here's the problem w/ the Khandahar situation. The people who prepare the flight and mission briefings for the pilots left out the fact of that there was Canadian ground training going on in the region. The reason they were left out was that these briefings are usually lengthy and cumbersome 40 page plus briefings. But also Khandahar and the airport near by are known to be friendly regions. What a horrible situation that was presented for all parties really. The pilots were ill-informed, and had to be reactionary to the situation that seemed to be escalating. And I'm hearing that people say that American's would be bitching if the Canadian's had killed us. Ok this is where I differ. I don't believe that at all. The American public is used to hearing about friendly fire casualties and disasters of situations of America on America. We understand it has happened in the past, and it will continue to happen, because human beings are fallable. Americans are glad that other nations wish to fight with us in coalition forces, and I believe that a friendly fire incident from any coalition force (even from a different nation) would be accepted by the general public as 'this stuff happens.' 'This stuff happens,' is an American statement because it has happened to us, we are familiar with it, and we expect it again. So I guess we can really only expect Canadians to react to it adversely because they are not as familiar with it. But seriously guys quit making shit up, like there is oil under afghanistan.

 
I think rob (pipe_munky) was the only one to say there was oil. that really doesn't matter though it has nothing to do with the bombing.

and Andy you're wrong in every way.

a) You said 'Canada fucking sucks. It's filled with whiny assholes who take what people say way too fucking seriously' - generalizing.

b)I said 'it's ironic how you're criticising people for stereotyping americans yet you're conforming to the stereotype.' Read that again andy. you're being the angry selfish american that the world thinks you are.

I remember when you told me Canadians didn't cover a beach on D-day. don't talk to me about ill informed fact.

-Mike

'Isn't 14 legal for everyone?' - Dave Pauls
 
Andy youve helped me out with comp problems a lot and ive really respected that, but i think maybe you have spent to much time in front of your computer. Maybe its time to go out in the real world, what you said about canadians was just plain retarded, i have lost what respect i had given you, so im saying fuck you man. go off with your bum buddy Bush

'proud citzen of the NS Isle'

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'This stuff happens,' is an American statement because it has happened to us, we are familiar with it, and we expect it again. So I guess we can really only expect Canadians to react to it adversely because they are not as familiar with it.' -Gravtec

nice american statement, you guys should put that on your flag.....you're merely putting words in our mouths.

Also, what's more important, saving the lives of human beings or the fact that soldiers are bored of reading a 40 page plus briefing?

This stuff happens, hmmmmm... Plane crash, thousands die.... 'this stuff happens'

Commander of the Silent Army

Viva La Resistance!

I got so battered last night that I had to send my clients around the corner so I could run behind a tree to be sick. Unfortunately I fell into a snow hole under a pine tree and the impact of falling into an eight foot deep trench made me vomit on myself-love Bawbsy....
 
Sorry if that sounded cold....

Commander of the Silent Army

Viva La Resistance!

I got so battered last night that I had to send my clients around the corner so I could run behind a tree to be sick. Unfortunately I fell into a snow hole under a pine tree and the impact of falling into an eight foot deep trench made me vomit on myself-love Bawbsy....
 
I know its a physical impossibilty, but maybe, just maybe, we could go to war less? Ahhh, it'd never work, forget it.

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Ok, I wasn't even being subjective when I mentioned the 40 page briefings. I was stating what happened. I didn't say this should have been done, or shouldn't have been done.

And my other comment... dude that's putting words in your mouth. That is a psychological argument. Obviously this is the reaction of you guys is it not? I'm offering my theory on why this American response exists, and why the Canadian response exists. I was trying to use some intuition. If you realized what I was saying you should see that it's just as hard for an American to put themselves in your shoes because of their past experiences, as it is for a Canadian to put themsleves in an American shoes because of the lack of this type of particular experience.

 
The problem exists that no matter what view I would take. People would shoot is down.

Canadians are JUST as blindly nationalistic as most Americans are. Just look at the responces. When I bash Canada, you people act as if I shot someone. However, you guys bash America in the same EXACT way, and everyone agrees. Double Standard. Thank you for helping me demonstrate that little point.

-Andy

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see when we (canadians) bash america, everyone understands even most Americans. Cause we all know how fucked up you guys really are. The whole world knows, but for some reason the states can't figure that out.But when yuo bash Canada everyone knows how peaceful and nice we are and all they see is some dumbass american trying to dis canadians. Sorry Andy life's a bitch we dis you cause we have many reasons to, but when you dis us there is no reason

'proud citzen of the NS Isle'

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Lanemeyers, to compare a malicious act that killed thousands of civilians to an accident that killed 4 people in a hostile environment is completely ignorant. you make me sick.

DAMN GLOBAL WARMING!
 
This is stupid, why persist in arguing when no one's gonna listen anyway? You all have your own opinions and that's fine but geez, the only one's that really have a non-biased opinion that is even slightly plausable or remotley correct is Gravteck, Andy and a couple others.

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i have a few things to say on this matter.

as far as the remarks made by andy, i find it difficult to read his opinions and take an objective view to his thoughts when he consistently calls me a fucking asshole simply because i am canadian. you must realize that by saying canada sucks and all canadians are fucks blahblahblah...you are launching a personal attack on me. i am canadian, that's where i was born and where i live. i'm proud of this fact and to attack me for it is childish.

second with respect to the accidental bombing.

i am a civilian pilot and my 2 best friends are fighter pilots in the canadian forces. this may not mean much but it does give me a slightly better idea than most as to what happens in the cockpit of an aircraft in an emegency situation. it sounds corny but the saying is true 'if you think you're dead'. of course this is not to be taken literally, but in certain situations instinct and training take over. this is the reason why psychological exams and intense training are required by most positions in the military. YES, the pilots were ill informed. YES, they should have known the canadians were conducting live fire excercises. NO, they should not be held criminally liable. some argue the controller told them to hold fire. however, in a self defense siuation the hold fire is sperceded by the right defend the aircraft. 39 seconds later the bomb was dropped. it has been suggested they should have waited for positive indentification. unfortunately in times of war, and have no doubt the U.S. is at war, indentification is not alwasy timely. this can directly affect the safety of the crews. think for a minute if they had been enemy troops and the aircraft had been shot down because they didn't act quickly enough. 10 seconds can be too long, they waited 39.

and finally, any view that the americans would sit back and accept this if the situation were reversed is misguided. this trial would have happened regardless of the nations involved. this is the political and social climate we're in right now. even ten years ago things were different, there was more confidence in the military and the government. things were not so ambiguous in '91.

this tragedy is unfortunate however it will happen again. once this problem is fixed another will arise, that is the nature of death.

some cougar at jozo's-

'what do i have to do to get your friend to come home with me'
 
When I said accept this, I wasn't saying just leave it be. Of course there should be a trial. There should always be some trial in a situation like that. I was just referring to the degree of public outrage.

 
maybe not so much a trial as something to ensure that it doesn't happen again?

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I'd rather have a public inquiry happening with a public hearing so that a conclussion could be made about who was at fault and what should be done to prevent it. From the way I look at it the pilots should have disengaged and let the troops be, but then again i wasn't up there so I don't know what it was like and therefore can't judge.

'we need lectures from people, not from soviet canuckistan'-american 'intellect'
 
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'and I believe that a friendly fire incident from any coalition force (even from a different nation) would be accepted by the general public as 'this stuff happens.' 'This stuff happens,' is an American statement because it has happened to us, we are familiar with it, and we expect it again'

not to pick on you gravteck but this is what you wrote albeit maybe not what you meant.

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