bfulmer
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12952697:zzzskizzz said:
1. derpity derp a derr
2. de derp de derp
3. durr durr durr
clearly, abortion is the best option for all mothers. de derp de derr
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1. derpity derp a derr
2. de derp de derp
3. durr durr durr
clearly, abortion is the best option for all mothers. de derp de derr
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12952850:bfulmer said:
I never said that, and way to make an intellectual post with real meaning. If you're a 15-year-old pregnant girl, or just a 25-year-old girl who was not ready to have a baby, and doesn't want to go through the stress of having a baby. I one hundred percent believe you don't have to do it. That's just my belief if you have a different argument feel free to make it. Derp
louie.mirags
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12952311:louie.mirags said:
12952524:El_Barto. said:
So, this poor chick should have went through with this pregnacy? And when I say poor I mean she has no financial backing from her family. She was in college on government money. I was making shit wages in the Navy as an E-3. It was a loveless relationship. It was her choice to have the abortion. I didn't make her make her, but that what I wanted too.
Fast forward 4 years and I'm about to graduate college. That would have never happen if I had to keep working to support her and the baby. I would be stuck living a shitty life in the military. I have multiple job opportunities that are awesome. She is hopefully suceeding in her goals as well. I never saw her again. But, you think we should have had the baby and it should have grown up with us taking turns raising it? That is no way for a kid to be raised.
alesssandra_g
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In the end, its the woman's decision. Sometimes shit happens and abortion is required ex. rape. Yes you could say that the fetus is a life and should be given the right to live, but in the end its the mothers decision.
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Grouch did you get a a chick prego or what.
TheBigApple
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If you have never been in such a position you shouldn't have an opinion.
lamadelrey
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I live by this:
Your body. Your mind. Your right.
I cant believe its 2014 and people still are arguing over this. I agree with that pinkname who posted the nun qoute, if you cant properly take care of another human being then you shouldnt. One should always have a choice, and I reckon people who use the "girls shouldnt use abortion as a form of contraception" are derping hard. I cant even begin to understand how traumatic an abortion would be like, and the mere thought of women actually getting abortions because they couldnt be bothered with protection is so dumb.
I can only speak for myself, but if I wasnt ready to have a kid (financially or mentally) I wouldnt hesitate to get an abortion, and I think its every girl's right to have that option without the government telling her what she can or cant do.
Also Sarah Silverman made a pretty funny vid a while back where she compared the "the fetus is alive!!!1!" argument with the fact that sperm is considered alive too, so technically youre a murderer everytime you masturbate.
Your body. Your mind. Your right.
I cant believe its 2014 and people still are arguing over this. I agree with that pinkname who posted the nun qoute, if you cant properly take care of another human being then you shouldnt. One should always have a choice, and I reckon people who use the "girls shouldnt use abortion as a form of contraception" are derping hard. I cant even begin to understand how traumatic an abortion would be like, and the mere thought of women actually getting abortions because they couldnt be bothered with protection is so dumb.
I can only speak for myself, but if I wasnt ready to have a kid (financially or mentally) I wouldnt hesitate to get an abortion, and I think its every girl's right to have that option without the government telling her what she can or cant do.
Also Sarah Silverman made a pretty funny vid a while back where she compared the "the fetus is alive!!!1!" argument with the fact that sperm is considered alive too, so technically youre a murderer everytime you masturbate.
caderobinson
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I am pro abortion but think the mother shouldn't just decide to go to abortion right away.
I mean say there is a women, who can barely pay for herself to live, and is really struggling to pay the bills. If she gets raped, its unfair to put her in a situation to bring a child into the world when she can't take care of the child. Thats unfair to the mother and child
I mean say there is a women, who can barely pay for herself to live, and is really struggling to pay the bills. If she gets raped, its unfair to put her in a situation to bring a child into the world when she can't take care of the child. Thats unfair to the mother and child
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12953692:shredtheshire said:
Jah young boombclad ianiode everyday i deink da bombay and drink the ionide. SHABBBO it s 10:40 in PIXXBURG BUT THE IONIDOE SHABBBO 150
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12953692:shredtheshire said:
Jah young boombclad ianiode everyday i deink da bombay and drink the ionide. SHABBBO it s 10:40 in PIXXBURG BUT THE IONIDOE SHABBBO 150
Abortion is wrong. Turn from your evil ways and repent of your sins.
12953921:Utard said:
You've never been to Canada so how can you have any validity, in your statement about how it is up there.
You can have opinions about laws but they're so complex and long, your opinion is probably misinformed and stupid.
You can absolutely have an opinion, about getting stabbed. But how can you tell someone what getting stabbed is like? Here what you should do, take a knife and put it through your neck. Then people will take your opinion much more seriously.
Utard
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12954226:zzzskizzz said:
That somebody who's actually experienced an event has a more valid opinion than somebody who's just speculating is a totally different claim than "If you have never been in such a position you shouldn't have an opinion."
Come on now, a member of a physics forum with an IQ of 141 should know this
paige.
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Another problem with making abortion illegal is that these regulations are a very slippery slope. For instance multiple women have been charged with homicide after they miscarried. A miscarriage is already traumatic enough, my mother had a stillbirth and 25 years later is still affected by it. Imagine being forced to go through a trial after that and being vilified by your community?
For example this girl was 16 and could possibly face life in prison because the medical examiner found slight traces of cocaine in the stillborn baby's blood and decided that was the cause of death, despite no evidence that cocaine would have this effect and the UMBILICAL CORD BEING WRAPPED AROUND THE BABY'S NECK.
http://www.propublica.org/article/s...of-murder-and-disputed-case-law-on-fetal-harm
The article also mentions:
"Those who share such worries point to a report last year by the New York–based National Advocates for Pregnant Women (NAPW) that documented hundreds of cases around the country in which women have been detained, arrested and sometimes convicted — on charges as serious as murder — for doing things while pregnant that authorities viewed as dangerous or harmful to their unborn child.
The definition of fetal harm in such cases has been broad: ... an Iowa woman was arrested and jailed after falling down the stairs and suffering a miscarriage; a New Jersey woman who refused to sign a preauthorization for a cesarean section didn’t end up needing the operation, yet was charged with child endangerment and lost custody of her baby."
It's important to note that in many of these cases there wasn't even a miscarriage - the kid came out fine and the women are still getting arrested.
Apparently Utah is looking to pass a law where a woman is criminally responsible for the loss of her child if she does anything that could be considered intentionally dangerous - this article specifically mentions skiing or walking on an icy sidewalk as qualifying as intentionally dangerous activities.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...urder-charges-after-miscarriages-1913019.html
For example this girl was 16 and could possibly face life in prison because the medical examiner found slight traces of cocaine in the stillborn baby's blood and decided that was the cause of death, despite no evidence that cocaine would have this effect and the UMBILICAL CORD BEING WRAPPED AROUND THE BABY'S NECK.
http://www.propublica.org/article/s...of-murder-and-disputed-case-law-on-fetal-harm
The article also mentions:
"Those who share such worries point to a report last year by the New York–based National Advocates for Pregnant Women (NAPW) that documented hundreds of cases around the country in which women have been detained, arrested and sometimes convicted — on charges as serious as murder — for doing things while pregnant that authorities viewed as dangerous or harmful to their unborn child.
The definition of fetal harm in such cases has been broad: ... an Iowa woman was arrested and jailed after falling down the stairs and suffering a miscarriage; a New Jersey woman who refused to sign a preauthorization for a cesarean section didn’t end up needing the operation, yet was charged with child endangerment and lost custody of her baby."
It's important to note that in many of these cases there wasn't even a miscarriage - the kid came out fine and the women are still getting arrested.
Apparently Utah is looking to pass a law where a woman is criminally responsible for the loss of her child if she does anything that could be considered intentionally dangerous - this article specifically mentions skiing or walking on an icy sidewalk as qualifying as intentionally dangerous activities.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...urder-charges-after-miscarriages-1913019.html
12954324:Utard said:
Again you can make an opinion, but there's no way you can make an educated informed decision on it, if you haven't looked at it from all sides. Especially with abortion religious people have an extreme biased when trying to form their opinion. I don't understand why this is such a hard concept for you to wrap your head around. You can have an opinion on anything that doesn't make it a good one.
Utard
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12954538:zzzskizzz said:
I don't know who you think you're arguing against here? The original post I was calling out claimed that unless you've been in the position of having to decide whether to get an abortion, you shouldn't have an opinion about abortion. You and I both agree that statement is bullshit. Nobody here is arguing that experience doesn't increase the validity of an opinion, nobody here is arguing that you can have a good opinion about something without looking at it from multiple points of view, and nobody here is arguing that all possible opinions are valid. Is your reading comprehension really this bad?
broto
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i personally think that abortion can be a really selfless thing to do - sacrificing your emotional stability for your unborn child's. many pro-lifers who are so because of religious affiliation (i'm not saying anone here fits that description)fail to recognize the consequences on the child. even if you're pro-life, i think it's important to realize that each and every situation is unique and a single law shouldn't embody them all. it should be left up to the woman. period. it's her child, her body, her mind that has to deal with the consequences.
i'm also a firm believer in "the more things outlawed the more outlaws run." outlaw abortion and people will still find ways to do it. but it'll be less regulated, less safe, more expensive, and more risky. the last thing a woman seeking an abortion needs is a higher chance of it not working, a drain on her finances, etc. they will only exacerbate (hehe) the problems that most likely convinced her to go the route of an abortion anyways.
however, an area where i am pinned is the fact that someone has to carry out these abortions. should we be forcing doctors to do things they don't believe in? things that may scar them for life? it's the same situation with assisted suicide and a very thin line.
i'm also a firm believer in "the more things outlawed the more outlaws run." outlaw abortion and people will still find ways to do it. but it'll be less regulated, less safe, more expensive, and more risky. the last thing a woman seeking an abortion needs is a higher chance of it not working, a drain on her finances, etc. they will only exacerbate (hehe) the problems that most likely convinced her to go the route of an abortion anyways.
however, an area where i am pinned is the fact that someone has to carry out these abortions. should we be forcing doctors to do things they don't believe in? things that may scar them for life? it's the same situation with assisted suicide and a very thin line.
Funkadelic
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12954355:paige. said:
I know this has absolutely nothing to do with your argument, but if a woman does drugs while pregnant she deserves to face charges, regardless of if the baby died of the umbilical cord being wrapped around its neck or not. If cocaine is found in a baby's bloodstream after birth the mother should be in prison and the child turned over to child services. In my opinion. That is beyond selfish.
12955075:Utard said:
Didn't read the original post that you quoted just pointing out you realize that there are people in Washington whose opinions change this law and make it possible or not. You can have an opinion on a certain topic but if you haven't experienced it or look at it from all sides you shouldn't really be voicing and you can make an opinion but it shouldn't be an opinion that will affect the outcome. If that doesn't make any sense to you and Then I guess I don't understand what you're trying to say.
I am sure hardly anyone on this site has had to go through with the decision.
Once there is the decision, and issue at hand, your views change, you mind set changes. Who knows what way, who cares.
But you can talk whatever you want how and have your views now, but once it happens, that can all change.
Once there is the decision, and issue at hand, your views change, you mind set changes. Who knows what way, who cares.
But you can talk whatever you want how and have your views now, but once it happens, that can all change.
Heart
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Abortion keeps unwanted children from being born and lowers crime rates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect
jaythemans
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12951369:El_Barto. said:
Using that logic then the Plan B pill is also abortion. Do you believe that?
louie.mirags
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12956378:SkiBum. said:
Find my post for my story
lamadelrey
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Since I havent had time to investigate how this new NS system of embedding/quoting is working I doubt this will work, heres the link:
=3m14s
Watch the whole thing if you want (I know alot of people dislike Sarah Silverman, but this is pretty funny AND informative), but at 3.14 the part I was refering to above starts.
Watch the whole thing if you want (I know alot of people dislike Sarah Silverman, but this is pretty funny AND informative), but at 3.14 the part I was refering to above starts.
12956445:louie.mirags said:
I am not reading any stories or getting involved any further. I don't want to read up anymore or have any other opinions in my mind. I know what I am doing Monday. I know what my girl is doing Monday.
This past week has been rough.
I could care less anyone's opinions, because once it happens, and you have the option, it all changes.
louie.mirags
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12956580:SkiBum. said:
I hear ya man. My story was an abortion one and now 4 years later...
VT_FLO
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Lol, my girlfriend and I had a pregnancy scare and she got all mad at me for not saying immediately that I wanted to keep a baby and support it blablabla I'm so horrible for even considering an abortion. Fast forward 24 hours when I had thought through how my life would go and I said "I know that we wouldnt be able to follow our dreams and we would both have to settle for careers that we didn't want but I would do this if we had a baby and we would struggle with our families and have help." 10 minutes later "well maybe I would have an abortion." Then she got her period.
women be fickle.
women be fickle.
papermache
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If an abortion is murder then a blow job is cannibalism
louie.mirags
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12960608:Clameltoe said:
So raising a baby when you're not ready financially or monetarily is better than aborting. LoL
louie.mirags
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12961044:louie.mirags said:
Whoops I meant financially or mentally
Wallisch_pl
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Yes.
12961364:broto said:
More than he has now. A woman can keep the baby even if the father doesn't want to, and ends up getting stuck with child support for the woman. If a man wants her to keep the baby desperately and is willing to take care of it on his own she can still abort it.
There's the "It takes two to tango" and then there's the "It's my body fuck yo couch". IMO you can't have it both ways.
