Abortion = solution

tandan83

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so i think abortion is a solution to many of our stupid problems today. i'm not saying abortion is an easy way out, nor am i saying it's right for everyone. i just think it's right sometimes. so let's hear it

don't take me as a joke i'm no comedian,, too many mental problems got me snortin coke and smokin' weed again

 
wow...i just realized i'm gonna get so much hate for this prolly. i gotttta stopl makin threads when i'm drunk

don't take me as a joke i'm no comedian,, too many mental problems got me snortin coke and smokin' weed again

 
oh it'll turn into a debate alright. it wont get anywhere though, any kind of ns debate is about as insightful as watching retarded kids fight over which kind of glue tastes the best.

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abortion is an easy way out, you're right. its also fairly disgusting. better yet, dont be an idiot and dont get pregnant! its not THAT hard!!!

abortion deals with an unecessary consequence for slopiness. and the age old 'rape and incest' claims are invalid - rape and incest account for less than 1% of the qbortion cases in the us. people should probably have it together enough to do it safely if they're doing it at all.

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^ya, its bullshit when hoes get nkocked up and get preggers, but from a guys point of view if i guy a girl pregnant i wouldnt want them to keep it (if this happened in the next few years) but for those few people who get raped etc... they should be allowed to get rid of the child

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- Dalton Trumbo, 1970

 
i agree with the need for abortion. i think its wrong to expect a girl who is 16 or 17 or even 14 to keep a child that they got from a failed contraceptive or one stupid night. not only will it fuck with their education and really their entire life, the kid, if born, will either be put up for adoption or be born into a family which is not old enough or mature enough, or even wealthy enough, to handle the problems of a new child. although i may feel differently if i was a girl as it's a "part of them" etc, the foetus is unlikely to feel pain and will definately not know that they are being terminated or that they ever existed.

cmon, bring on the hate.

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I am really split on the issue. I used to be pro-abortion all the way, but I have changed my views in the last year or so. I think that a girl havign a child before she is 18 would most likely ruin her chances, and the childs chances of a life as good as it could be. But then I wonder, is it better for this baby, who isn't even concious yet, to live and live out a not so great life, or to not live. I really hate the argument, the girl should own up to her mistakes and be responsible for them. If the girl looks upon her baby as a mistake she has to take responsibility for, she will not be a good parent nor will she make good decisions for the child. Right now I am going to have to go with that it is a personal decision that should be made by the woman involved. If she feels that aborting the baby is right for her and the child, then she should be allowd. I imagine it is no easy decision for the majority of women. Life is such a miracle that destroying it seems so wrong. She should still have the option.

When it comes to rape, there is no doubt in my mind that the the woman should be allowd to have an abortion.

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i can understand in case of rape or in case of illness of the kid.

if the sexual relation was agreed, i condemn it.

after all, it's about them and their conscience and the fact they killed.

they will have to explain God what they did one day.

Killing = bad

preventing to live = killing

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i also hate the argument. but i have two different examples that illustrate why i am pro-life...

i just recently learned that my aunt had an abortion when she was young, and it has taken its toll x100 mentally, physically, and emotionally. she had many miscarriages later on and was only able to have one child. her health deteriorated immediately, and she is in a constant state of pain and depression that is only getting worse, and it has been 30 years since the abortion. she is a strong pro-lifer now, and for good reason.

also, my longtime best friend now has an older sister because his mom didnt abort after she was raped, but rather put the child up for adoption. the baby got taken care of by a great family, and when she was around 20 or so, and my friend was about 14 (he had no idea he had an older sibling), the found her birth mother. now they all have a great relationship and are extremely close, and she has literally made them stronger. he was on his way to being a full out coke head, and she was a main factor in his choice to go to rehab and get help.

all in all, from what i have personally seen, abortions can and do have a seriously negative affect on those involved, and choosing life can be a positive decision in ways never imagined.

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I don't think we should talk about this on a forum with a wide range of people and their beliefs. Just talk about it with closer friends because someone's going to end up getting hurt.

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in certain cases abortion is the solution. my friend for example......his gf is pregant and they cant fucken stand each other but the reason theyre together is cuz of the preggoness and it might not even be his and him being a dumbass like he is talked her out of getting an abortion and now hes so fucken stressed out all the time cuz he cant stand her

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Abortion is a right that women have if they don't have the capability or the desire to carry a baby. A feotus is a cell, it has no feeling no intelligence or pain. So I am for abortion.Its a question of human rights.

Responsability,what's that?
 
I disagree. I find posting NS is a great way for me to clarify my beliefs with myself. By writing them down I am able to figure out what it is that I believe. There is also no pressure for my beliefs to be accepted or not. I don't care what anyone but like 20 people on here think of me. It is also interesting to read others opinions. If you get hurt by reading others comments on an internet forum, then you aern't mature enough to be posting on the topic anyways.

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Not getting pregnant is SO easy. There are so many ways of contraception it's almost ridiculous to accidently get someone pregnant. Unless you're a lazy fucking idiot and get a girl pregnant, you deserve that kid. It's not the kid's fault.

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with issuse like this, maturity isnt an issue when you become offended. People become very offended when abortions are talked about in real life, so why cant they be offended on the internet in an online community?

I havnt ever really put alot of thought into the abportion thing, because i have never had to deal wiht abortions, nor will i personaly be faced with the option of having one anytime soon. The most i have done is is for class when they force you to debate both sides. Personaly, i dont think that i have any right what so ever to join in the debate because abortions dont cause me any kind of physical or any real mental strain, at least not the same way that a woman would experience it. If i got my partner pregnate, and we werent ready for a child, the decision would be completly her's to make. I dont even think that i should get a say.

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It is a woman's decision, and I understand the reasons for why some people are pro-life, but you have to understand what a woman is going through. Obviously, if a woman is having/ had an abortion, she made her OWN decision whether or not to go through with it. Abortion is not a thing you can take lightly and just say "Ok whatever, I'll do it". You have to make a lifelong decision. And as for a 16 year old girl who is in the position of abortion/ adoption/ keeping the baby, it is a HARD decision, most likely. And she should be able to HAVE the option of being able to abort the baby. It is a woman's decision, and people protesting outside abortion clinics (they piss me off SO much) can't do anything about that. If you're pro-life, that's awesome, but don't hate on the pro-choicers.

 
I am goign to have to disagree with the "it's solely a womans choice". This is only in certain scenarios. Like if a 16 year old couple conceive, I think the man should have a say in whether the child should be aborted. If the man wants to take care of and raise the child, but the woman wants to abort, I think the man should have the right to the child as well.

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So it's ok to "terminate" someone as you so eloquently put it, as long as they don't know what happened? So for instance I come into your room while your sleeping at night with a 12 gauge shotugn and blast you in the face before you wake up, its ok? Sure you wouldn't feel anything and you wouldn't be awake long enough to realised what happened.

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How often does that really happen though? Plus, it's her body. I suppose if the guy had a really good argument, it could happen, but in what circumstance would this happen? The woman would be the one going through pregnancy and birth and all that as well.

 
also, a guy can pretty much change his mind at any time... a girl cant. A guy cant raise a child for the first 1 and a half too 2 years anyways, Breast feading does get in the way of that. A guy, to the best of my knowalge cant breast feed an infant. bottels and supliments sure, but its been proven that babies who arnt breast feed till around 2 years of age are generaly unhealthier as adults and their IQ suffers because their brains dont get all the fats that it needs for development. So the girl would have to make almost a 3 year commitment to the child if the guy wanted a healthy and somewhat intelegent child.

There isnt anything that leads me to belive that a man has any say in an abortion, unless he is the doctor preforming it.

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what about rape victims who become pregnent with the rapist child? what about when the condum broke? these things happen to lots of inocent ppl who tryed there best to protec there self. Not just hoes and sluts. abortion is good

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I think when it's rape, incest, etc, an uncontrolable situation, abortion is understandable. I believe if it is simple irresponsibility...that's a harder debate. I do believe it is a woman's choice since it is her body but there are just so many factors...such as financial stability. Could a 16 year old couple actually have the finances to raise a child as best they could? Probably not. I know a girl who has a child right now, originally planned to give up for adoption (the more noble option, I believe) who signed her daughter over to her parents to raise. Now her parents are raising this child while the girl parties every night. There is just a different situation for everyone...I don't think anyone should judge anyone else's decision as right or wrong.

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its a fucken choice. it shouldld be left as a choice. these anti abortion rallies at universitys and clinics is out of line. If they want to do it do it. abortions take place within the first 3 months of pregnancy. most get them in the first few weeks. I really dont have a problem killing a few cells which nine months from now are going to b e a baby. but a the time its just fucken DNA. I would rather a girl get an abortion then have more wellfare children with massive problems because there family life is shit and they mother drank smoked and ate crap all throughout there pregnancy. if you cant raise a child have an abortion. or adoption whatever.

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Right or wrong, it's always interesting to consider fresh perspectives on complex issues... I just wish people didn't have to get so angry and self-righteous about things. This debate seems to breed that. Anyways, I expect that if anyone actually reads this, it will do anything BUT end debate. Oh well...

Here are a few things to think about.

The basic positions are these. Pro-lifers human life begins at conception, and therefore fetuses are persons, and abortion is murder. However, not all killings of humans are murders, so the one doesn't follow from the other. More on that later. Pro-choicers believe that the fetus is not a person, but again, even if they're right, it doesn't follow that we can be cavalier about killing a fetus, as we cannot in many cases justify killing living non-persons. Conversely, even if a fetus is a person, abortion is still admissable in some cases, and even if it is not a person, it is inadmissable in some cases. The concept of whether the fetus is a person need not be the final determinant in this argument.

Many people have proposed criterion for that which constitutes a person. Mary Warren alleges that capacities for self-reasoning, awareness, complex communication, and other qualities make the person, and that a fetus falls outside of these requirements. Brody introduces the idea of brain waves. Michael tooley suggests that having a concept of self is the integral part, which entails that killing babies and old people is more justifiable than killing an adult dog, which is ridiculous. Paul Ramsey proposes gene structure. Throughout the arguments, pro-lifers offer conditions for personhood which fetuses satisfy, and pro-choicers offer others which they don't. So what can we say is typical of persons? We could include that the individual is descended from humans, has a head, eyes, is capable of movement, thought, doubt, jealousy, the ability to think and pervceive. The ability to draw conclusions and rationalize, to work in groups, to recognize other people as valuable, and so forth. The point isn't that counterexamples to these criteria exist. People who are irrational are no less people. there is no set of features that 'make' a person, only ones that are commonly found in people. It seems impossible, then, to determine conclusively whether a fetus is a person. It is notable, however, that a fetus has very few of these typical characteristics. The traditional pro-life argument is to emphasize things which make the fetus similar to us (it has 10 fingers), while ignoring glaring differences (it has gills and a tail).

Muslims date personhood as 14 days after conception. Aristotle said that 'ensoulment' occurred 40 days after conception (for males, it was 80 days for females). The opinions vary greatly. The bottom line is that a human develops gradually, and noone can definitively say when a 'person' appears. Therefore, this concept of personhood is not reliable enough to bear the weight of a solution.

For the sake of argument, let us assume that a fetus is a person. Judith Thompson points out that we cannot from this immediately decide that all abortion is wrong; we need the additional premise that killing a person is wrong. But killing a person is not always wrong, for example, in cases of self defense. Here comes a strange analogy. Imagine that a mad scientist had kidnapped innocent people and hypnotized them to jump out of bushes and knife people at random. If you were one of the people attacked, most would say that you have the right to kill that person in order to protect yourself from death or serious injury. This raises the question of how much damage can be done in self defense. You can't kill the hypnotized person if he has no weapons, and is likey to do nothing more than to tear your shirt. In an offense as serious as rape, or the loss of a limb, or death, however, one can justifiably kill. Of course, the injury inflicted in self defense should be the minimum necessary; even if the attacker intends to kill you, it is not right to shoot him when you have the option of running away. The whole idea is to avoid harm. Some cases of pregnancy offer a similar situation. The fetus may be innocent, but it may also pose a physical or mental threat to the woman's well-being. If the pregnancy presents only a slight threat to her interests, it does not seem moral to justify killing it. However, if the threat is on par with a severe beating or the loss of a limb, killing would be justified. This self-defense model suggests that the woman has a right to be freed from the fetus, not to demand its death, though there is not so great a difference in practice.

Many take the third-person view of abortion; does the doctor have a right to choose between the life of the woman and that of the fetus? Some would say that if you saw an attack by one of the innocent hypnotized people on an innocent person, you would have no reason to kill either in defense of the other. Another question one might pose is, if one of the parties was a homeless bum, and the other a famous actor, would you intervene to save the one of more value to society? However, to put another spin on the third-person situation, suppose that you were an old person, and hired a bodyguard. We would probably not question the bodyguard for killing the attacker on behalf of his employer, as he is the agent by which the employer protects him or herself.

Now we come to the point where the pro-lifers are saying, 'given modern technology, cases where womens' lives are at stake from their pregnancy are rare'. How does this self defense policy work when we consider longer-range harms? The analogy is going to get a bit wierder here. Imagine that you were the greatest surgeon on the planet, and were attacked by one of these hypnotized people, who was not going to kill you, but to take you back to the hypnotist, who would then hypnotize you, causing you to forget everything you once knew about the medical trade. THis would destroy your career, which would result in an adverse effect on your family life, and, ulitmately, your happiness. I, at least, would say that you are justified in shooting the attacker if it is the only way to prevent this from occurring. You are, here, defending yourself from an injury to your life prospects. This can be paralleled with the effect of unwanted pregnancy on the woman.

Another argument is that to abstain from sex, or to use protection, are means to prevent pregnancy. Suppose that these hypnotized attackers only attacked at night, and you could avoid them entirely by submitting to the great inconvenience of staying home every night. Or, you could bring mace with you, to hold off the attacks. The first seems unreasonably limiting, and to say that the victim of the attack should submit to the consequences should her defense (the mace) fail, seems rather weak.

Many say that it is not possible to justify abortion without justifying infanticide unless a difference between an unborn child and a born child can be found. However, the self-defense model does not accord with this argument; after birth, a woman can defend herself by less drastic means than killing the infant, ie: running away (figuratively). Before birth, such options are not available, since the fetus depends on the woman.

Clearly, we abortion can be justified in some cases even if the fetus is a person. Let us now examine the situation if we deny this claim, and allege that it is not a person at all. Non-persons should get some consideration, even though they do not have the same rights as persons, and though their interests may be overridden by persons. Treatment of animals is a good example. We say that it is wrong to go about killing dogs and wild birds for no real reason. However, we can kill cows for food, or birds to keep them from destroying crops. Few people object to research on animals that might be positively torturous, if the result is beneficial to humankind.

How do we decide what we can do to non-persons? I cannot formulate a decent answer to this question. One cannot say that torturing animals is all right whenever the sum of its effects on people is good (when the torturer doesn't start harming people as a result of being more and more warped). But then, it would be all right to torture dogs in private, or if you died shortly thereafter. This isn't sensible. Whatever moral code we establish for the treatment of non-persons must be indefeasible. It must be a general rule, not a set of criteria to be considered on a case by case basis. Utilitarianism in this case does not hold water, because it is open to such criticisms as, if a person tortures animals on a desert island, he is not morally reprehensible.

Much of our moral code depends on our psychological disposition to treat personlike non-persons with greater sympathy. If we allowed for personlike non-persons to be treated in a way we would not want persons to be treated, it would undermine our system of ethics. Because of this, a mistreatment of certain animals is considered wrong in general; we see protesters arguing against the unintentional killing of Dolphins by tuna fishers, but not against the intentional killing of the tuna (which are less intelligent). This is a crucial point in the study of human moral systems, and so it should be crucial in the abortion debate. A fetus in the late trimesters and a newborn baby are so much alike that no one could be asked to draw a distinction between them and treat them so greatly differently. Because of this coherence of attitudes, the similarity of a fetus to a newborn human is significant, and we cannot be so cavalier in its treatment. I have to conclude that even if a fetus is not a person, abortion is not always permissible, because of the resemblance of a fetus to a person. This keeping in mind, however, that in the early weeks after conception, a fetus is quite unlike a person. It is hard to develop these feelings of empathy for a group of genes, and thus human moral systems do not accomodate them. To question this would be to question every convention of morality humanity posesses, because it is ingrained in us. Early in pregnancy, abortion cannot be psychologically or morall compared to murder, but in the late stages it is certainly akin to that crime.

All in all, according to this logic, abortion is permissable in the early months (when a fetus has little in common with a person) whenever it is in the best interests of the woman concerned and her family. The reasons would only need to outweigh the pain and inconvenience of the abortion itself. Later, when the fetus resembles a person, abortion would only be justifiable when the continuation of the pregnancy would cause harms, be they physical, psychological, social, or economic. In the late months, even on the assumption that a fetus is not a person, abortion seems wrong except to save a woman from significant injury, or death.

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where is the babies choice?

see you contradict yourself, even though im all for pro-choice

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I never really thought about it like that.

I think of myself as pro-choice. As in I really dont want to hear from anyone about it because I think it's the mother's (and father's to a lesser extent) choice.

They say the worst part about death is the time leading up to it. We'll probably never know if an abortion causes the fetus pain, although my guess is no. The fact is, the baby never knew it was alive, never realized it existed, and never had much of a thought. That still doesnt automatically make something moral, however it is a good point. I dont think a 16 year old should have to be punished for their entire lives for one very bad decision, and I dont think something innocent should be killed. I know what I think, it's just hard to put into words.

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For a drunk post, you have incredibly good typing. For me to type like that when drunk, it woulda taken 20 minutes.

We'll have you dead pretty soon.
 
wow, that was a very good read.

however, i would have to say something different to your stance when it comes to the analogy in the paragraph when you touch on sex.

if your can of mace fails against the agressor, its true that it doesn't seem fair to accept the consequences.

but i would say that most times, the persons behavior is going around looking for the agressor, and hoping the mace will work: fooling around before you are mentaly and economicaly mature enough to handle a pregnancy is bound to lead to some problems regarding abortion.

a friend of mines sister had a vibrant sex life, she was well known around the school for being easy going, and she liked to cultivate that impression. and then, whamo: the condom broke, and she got pregnant at the ripe old age of 15. as you mentioned, this had the very real possibility to ruin her social, scholastic, economical and family life, so in that sense she would have had plenty of reason to abort.

but her entourage showed her that she had brought this upon herself, and that she had to grow up someday and take charge, beit at 15 or later. she decided to keep the baby, and a beautiful girl, Katia was born; she got back together with the childs father, and they are now married (he is 23).

I must say im generaly pro life, but i agree with the distinctions you made JD. but im also very pro abstinence: no sexual relations until you are wed, so that if an "unwanted" pregnacy were to happen, you are mature enough and the have the foundation to your life necessary to deal with this blessing/curse, however you view this. to illustrate: my best friends older sister, Beverly, got married a while back, and 2 months into their marriage, they had an unplanned pregnancy. in any other circumstance, she might have wanted to have an abortion, seeing as they had no home and the husband had no job, but, with help from their families and their devotion to one another, they made the right choice in keeping this child, who provides them with much joy.

For me, if you choose to fool around with your sex life, with this very real possibilty for getting an unwanted pregnancy, then you should at least realise that you will have to take responsibility towards it, and not think of abortions as a scape goat out of a series of bad choices: to grow as an individual, you should deal with your decisions, take responsibilty and not find a way out of any responsibility when an error is made.

of course, like you said JD, there can be moments when abortions are justified. i only believe that, if there is a serious health problem towards the mother, or fetus, that outweighs the abortion itself and its consequences: if the mother were in mortal danger, an abortion would be acceptable, or if the fetus would have no chance of reaching full term, beyond the shadow of a doubt.

if there is no such problem, and its just a choice for personal interests, i don't believe it is ever justified.

however, i believe that God has a plan for everyone, and that, be it good or bad, his providence has a meaning: if you are raped, there is, as twisted as it might seem, be a reason for it.

for example: in Lyon, there were some Rwandan refugees that had just recently fled from the genocide. one lady, Francine, got raped on her way out of the country. after coming to our church, she met the Lord, and saw her pregnancy as a blessing, and she kept the baby, knowing that she might have a miscarrage for some reason that i forget right now. she now lives in sweden, with a fully healthy brilliant boy called Bryan. what a blessing her pregnancy was for her.

i know that my faith influence much of my postions, and that most of you might not agree with me, but i consider life, the life that God gave us, sacred, and that, if your reasons are not valid enough (look at JDs post), it should not be thrown away due to an inconvenience due to your lifestyle.

end rant.

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i think that you should have to live with it if you get pregnant. if its rape then abortion should be allowed.

someone above said that the abortion is done within the first 3 months of the pregnany, but partial birth abortion is still practiced by some doctors. thats just disgusting

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i'm against the idea of partial birth abortion, thats horrible, there should be a deadline, so if you dont want it, get rid of it quick, before its actually more than just a small fetus or blob of cells.

i also really think that the guy should only have say in discussing with his girl. its TOTALLY her choise. if he can convincer her otherwise, more power to him, but thats gonna be inside her for 9 months. she wants it, let her keep it, she doesnt, get rid of it. (i dont mean to sound really uncaring here, but you know what i mean)

personally, i think that it should be legal, its just one of those things, if you think they should be punished thats your thought, but that child is going to be punished too because it was never intended to be created, therefore no planning or ideas were put forth into making this child's life good. all it will do is cause problems for everyone, and thats why some people avoid it, but most of us will still continue to fuck like apes

 
it is all the mothers choice...noone can take that away from her. better for a doctor to do it htan for her to do it herself and get all kinds of infections and shit like that

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i almost had a fuckin kid and the girl who wouldve fathered it got an abortion. it was the best decision the two of us couldve made. we weren't stupid, a condom broke and a mistake happenned. things happen, nothing is perfect. for her to have a kid wouldve ruined our lives. im all for abortions.

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you know thats different. that wouldnt affect me, but it would affect my family and friends to the point that some would probably deteriorate and spiral into a depressive state for the rest of their lives. these foetuses have never been conscious or had any knowledge, and the one person who is to be affected by the death makes the decision as to whether they can accept it.

'this is just like sex, only im having it!'
 
in my Religion class we watched a video of an abortion. The fetus IS indeed a child, it has all the features of a young child. Hands feet lips everything. Recent tests have also found that they can feel as well. What they do in an abortion is horrible and murder. Having an aborition also hurts the mother. THey develop emotional problems and the abortion can cause them to become sterile for life

 
yeah, thats one thing most people don't pick up on; the effects an abortion has on a would-be mother.

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It's also completely unimportant to the discussion... we don't prevent people from doing anything else because they "might regret it later on". I don't see any laws against smoking, drinking, etc...

No, it all comes down to:

a) Is a fetus a person? If yes, when?

b) Is it ok to kill it even if it's not a person?

and possibly,

c) If it is a person, are there any circumstances at all under which it can be killed?

By the way, I thought this might interest some of the people in this thread: I hear they're making a new titanium bible now that's easier to thump.

 
weird. the pro-lifers were on campus just yesterday with their huge banners and pictures of aborted fetuses.

being an adopted child, this topic is a bit personal for me. knowing that i could have been aborted (or really any of you could have been) is... a strage feeling. adoption is always an alternative, and a good one at that. there are so many families that would love to have a baby, but for whatever reason can't.

abortion is, really, just selfish. i don't think there should be a law for or against it, but it's really a personal, ethical decision. and in my mind there really isn't a choice.

also as someone else already said, it's not that hard to not get pregnant.

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Did anyone read this? Most kids on here have the attention span of three seconds. ( Myself included)

boooooring.

GO STRAIGHT!
 
Tanden, next time put some thought into what you are writing. Rather then posting a thread you know nothing about.

GO STRAIGHT!
 
I personally feel that someone should not be engaging in sexual activity unless they are willing to look after a child should they become pregnent (actually I think sex should be saved for marriage, but that doesn't often happen). As for pregnancy due to rape, well you must play the hands you're dealt. It may seem like it ruins your life but it may turn out to be a blessing in disguise.

big whoop wanna fight about it?
 
I read what JD wrote... it made total sense of the situation and is worth reading. In my eyes, abortion should be prescribed by a doctor, and only under extreme cirumstances where the birth would severely hurt physically, or in some rare cases, mentally, the person.

Other then that, we dont have the right to decide the value of life in any case.

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