Abolish Ski Resorts in Cottonwood Canyons

14256545:eheath said:
thats not teaching someone how to ski dude. You can't teach someone how to ski without the ability to engage your edges, its the bases of skiing. Beginners don't want to ski powder, they want to ski a groomed run because they're scared shitless to move 5 mph.
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Lmao what is with the assumption that BC = powder I hear all the time. I wish all the BC skiing I've done was powder... My buddy sure wasn't scared shitless to move 5 mph, he rides longboards down hills going like 30+. Not every beginner is a scared Karen. Some actually have relevant skills and no fear.
 
14256551:ReturnToMonkey said:
Lmao what is with the assumption that BC = powder I hear all the time. I wish all the BC skiing I've done was powder... My buddy sure wasn't scared shitless to move 5 mph, he rides longboards down hills going like 30+. Not every beginner is a scared Karen. Some actually have relevant skills and no fear.
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Backcountry skiing is not beginner friendly, you're just wrong about that my dude.

Thats great your buddy had previous skills to help him learn to ski, your experience with your friend =/= the average experience. You and byukid are both close minded, you can't get out of your own opinion and experiences, most beginner skiers are scared/nervous and can barely make it down a green run.
 
14256554:eheath said:
Backcountry skiing is not beginner friendly, you're just wrong about that my dude.

Thats great your buddy had previous skills to help him learn to ski, your experience with your friend =/= the average experience. You and byukid are both close minded, you can't get out of your own opinion and experiences, most beginner skiers are scared/nervous and can barely make it down a green run.
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Whoa guys eheath just told me I'm close minded uh oh

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14256563:ReturnToMonkey said:
Whoa guys eheath just told me I'm close minded uh oh

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Wasn't intended to be in an insult, rather just telling you the truth and hoping it will help you expand your knowledge.

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14256565:eheath said:
Wasn't intended to be in an insult, rather just telling you the truth and hoping it will help you expand your knowledge.

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The truth? lmao I'm one of the most open minded people I know and probably why I'm so unsuccessful. Dude you spend all day skiing around with pros and other great skiers while telling me, who mainly has beginners/non skiers as friends, how most beginner skiers are. Guess I just need to open my mind up and forget about any experiences I've ever had.
 
14256566:ReturnToMonkey said:
The truth? lmao I'm one of the most open minded people I know and probably why I'm so unsuccessful. Dude you spend all day skiing around with pros and other great skiers while telling me, who mainly has beginners/non skiers as friends, how most beginner skiers are. Guess I just need to open my mind up and forget about any experiences I've ever had.
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just stop dude, you're embarrassing yourself for no reason.
 
14256568:eheath said:
just stop dude, you're embarrassing yourself for no reason.
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Stop what, defending myself from some 30 somethin year old attacking younger people on the forum they're supposed to be a role model on? Or do I misunderstand how mods are supposed to behave?
 
14256571:ReturnToMonkey said:
Stop what, defending myself from some 30 somethin year old attacking younger people on the forum they're supposed to be a role model on? Or do I misunderstand how mods are supposed to behave?
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Literally didnt attack you, you're attacking me dude. Calling you close minded is only an insult to you, I'm trying to get you to realize your ignorance and if you think im wrong thats fine, but im not attacking you brother.
 
14256547:TRVP_ANGEL said:
I'm sure people would be dying to pay $200 for that lesson you're offering.
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guys there's no need to fight, can't we just focus on how trvp angel can't read? it's funny!
 
14256572:eheath said:
Literally didnt attack you, you're attacking me dude. Calling you close minded is only an insult to you, I'm trying to get you to realize your ignorance and if you think im wrong thats fine, but im not attacking you brother.
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No way.

They need to add more lifts and lots make it easy to go from PC to Snowbird with connected lifts. There should be no 'back country' in the cottonwoods its fucking 15 minutes from a major city if it was Europe every face would be lift accessible.

Its gonna be crowded no matter what but Utah is the one place that doesn't require fuck you money like Aspen. Everywhere else is getting that way. Also has the direct flights and shit.
 
yo what? this is tens of millions of dollars for the Utahn economy and also do you think that abolishing resorts in one place will fix the problem? maybe just some new management who actually has a brain might help but this will just make more problems in other places. I do agree with ur environmental pov tho because all the traffic is so shitty for the canyons. also a lot of these problems could be decreased in a season or so because covid is kinda on the outs and the covid crowding at resorts might subside
 
14257032:CrunnchyVanMan said:
yo what? this is tens of millions of dollars for the Utahn economy and also do you think that abolishing resorts in one place will fix the problem? maybe just some new management who actually has a brain might help but this will just make more problems in other places. I do agree with ur environmental pov tho because all the traffic is so shitty for the canyons. also a lot of these problems could be decreased in a season or so because covid is kinda on the outs and the covid crowding at resorts might subside
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I'd love some elaboration on this making more problems in other places. Sure, some people would be displaced to PC and Deer Valley, but I think these places are better set up to handle crowds than the resorts in the cottonwoods. I'm also a little skeptical that ski crowds are going to be decreased significantly any time soon. Outdoor recreation in general is on the rise, and I think many major businesses are going to maintain flexible schedules and remote work past covid.
 
14257039:byubound said:
Sure, some people would be displaced to PC and Deer Valley, but I think these places are better set up to handle crowds than the resorts in the cottonwoods.
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You're quite wrong, PC has traffic issues year round brother.
 
14256007:pinkcamo1000 said:
yeah and myself and like a million other people agree with you - skiing in the cottonwoods is dope. That's why there are traffic jams and parking nightmares. I'm sorry but you can't ski some of the best and most easily accessible terrain in the entire world and then complain about it being crowded and run by money hungry corporations. That's what you should expect, and as long as you keep paying them money, why would they change?

I got sick of the powder panic and traffic in utah so I moved to Maine and I enjoy skiing so much more. I ski at a tiny shitty mountain, but people never complain about the conditions, there is never a lift line, and there is always plenty of parking. The mountain is publicly owned and is super cheap. Vibes are always on point. I get home from skiing and watch instagram stories of people stuck in traffic in the cottonwoods, laugh my ass off and give thanks that I don't have to deal with that.
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you make it seem like you just up and rooted your life in Utah and moved out of the blue to Maine because the traffic got so bad but we all know thats definitely not the case. Pretty sure you were born there or on the Canada/ME border according to your profile which I feel like should have been a disclaimer because you're acting like a sensible solution to the traffic in the cottonwoods is that everyone's just going to move to Maine to ski icy 1000ft vert groomers. I ski deep pow at least once a week all winter every winter and laugh my ass off at the fools in Maine (where I grew up) who still claim to be invested in skiing but in my eyes are wasting their time skiing parks that are 10 years past their prime (sunday river, sugarloaf) or skiing mom and pop resorts on MAYBE a foot base (camden snowbowl, shawnee peak) #SKITHEEAST
 
14257320:207 said:
you make it seem like you just up and rooted your life in Utah and moved out of the blue to Maine because the traffic got so bad but we all know thats definitely not the case. Pretty sure you were born there or on the Canada/ME border according to your profile which I feel like should have been a disclaimer because you're acting like a sensible solution to the traffic in the cottonwoods is that everyone's just going to move to Maine to ski icy 1000ft vert groomers. I ski deep pow at least once a week all winter every winter and laugh my ass off at the fools in Maine (where I grew up) who still claim to be invested in skiing but in my eyes are wasting their time skiing parks that are 10 years past their prime (sunday river, sugarloaf) or skiing mom and pop resorts on MAYBE a foot base (camden snowbowl, shawnee peak) #SKITHEEAST
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lol you seem really angry man. yeah everything you said is true, I didn't like skiing in utah as much as I thought I would so I moved back east. Sounds like you are enjoying utah which is dope! I'm gonna keep being a fool and skiing at the snowbowl, different stroked for different folks I guess.
 
14257320:207 said:
you make it seem like you just up and rooted your life in Utah and moved out of the blue to Maine because the traffic got so bad but we all know thats definitely not the case. Pretty sure you were born there or on the Canada/ME border according to your profile which I feel like should have been a disclaimer because you're acting like a sensible solution to the traffic in the cottonwoods is that everyone's just going to move to Maine to ski icy 1000ft vert groomers. I ski deep pow at least once a week all winter every winter and laugh my ass off at the fools in Maine (where I grew up) who still claim to be invested in skiing but in my eyes are wasting their time skiing parks that are 10 years past their prime (sunday river, sugarloaf) or skiing mom and pop resorts on MAYBE a foot base (camden snowbowl, shawnee peak) #SKITHEEAST
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also kinda weird you hate skiing in maine so much yet your username is 207 and your pic is the maine flag lmao
 
Ah just what we need... more idiots getting killed in the BC. We’ve already got a large population of middle aged dads getting into touring this year who have zero knowledge regarding avalanche safety, and for the most part these guys are ‘adequate’ skiers. I can only imagine how ugly things would get once you throw kids/first-timers into the equation.
 
14257348:pinkcamo1000 said:
also kinda weird you hate skiing in maine so much yet your username is 207 and your pic is the maine flag lmao
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honestly i think we can both agree the summers in maine are fricken primo tho
 
14257364:ASAPCarter said:
Ah just what we need... more idiots getting killed in the BC. We’ve already got a large population of middle aged dads getting into touring this year who have zero knowledge regarding avalanche safety, and for the most part these guys are ‘adequate’ skiers. I can only imagine how ugly things would get once you throw kids/first-timers into the equation.
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Read my OP. The problem this year in touring is lack of education, not numbers. Make basic backcountry skills part of the fundamentals everyone learns when they start skiing.
 
14257390:byubound said:
Read my OP. The problem this year in touring is lack of education, not numbers. Make basic backcountry skills part of the fundamentals everyone learns when they start skiing.
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Yup, because Dave and his family of 4 from Texas are DEFINITELY going to do a whole avy course before their next winter break ski vacation.
 
14257320:207 said:
you make it seem like you just up and rooted your life in Utah and moved out of the blue to Maine because the traffic got so bad but we all know thats definitely not the case. Pretty sure you were born there or on the Canada/ME border according to your profile which I feel like should have been a disclaimer because you're acting like a sensible solution to the traffic in the cottonwoods is that everyone's just going to move to Maine to ski icy 1000ft vert groomers. I ski deep pow at least once a week all winter every winter and laugh my ass off at the fools in Maine (where I grew up) who still claim to be invested in skiing but in my eyes are wasting their time skiing parks that are 10 years past their prime (sunday river, sugarloaf) or skiing mom and pop resorts on MAYBE a foot base (camden snowbowl, shawnee peak) #SKITHEEAST
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You okay bro?
 
14257402:ASAPCarter said:
Yup, because Dave and his family of 4 from Texas are DEFINITELY going to do a whole avy course before their next winter break ski vacation.
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Maybe it's just me, but I'm more concerned about the skiing experience of someone who lives in slc and would love to ski somewhat regulatly but cannot afford a $200 day of skiing than dave from texas. Also, I'm only talking the resorts in the cottonwoods. I think resorts in general have their place and dave from texas can go to wherever that may be.
 
Im a utah transplant (for college) from Washington and I gotta tell you guys if you think the cottonwoods are bad you’ve just never skied Crystal. Crowds/traffic are absolutely heinous out there and growing up there means this just doesn’t seem that bad to me

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14257423:byubound said:
Maybe it's just me, but I'm more concerned about the skiing experience of someone who lives in slc and would love to ski somewhat regulatly but cannot afford a $200 day of skiing than dave from texas. Also, I'm only talking the resorts in the cottonwoods. I think resorts in general have their place and dave from texas can go to wherever that may be.
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That place is Utah dude, utah has been a tourist destination since before you were born.
 
14260137:eheath said:
That place is Utah dude, utah has been a tourist destination since before you were born.
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Sure, maybe it is. There are better places in ut for destination resort skiing than canyons with winding and steep 2 lane roads and no more space to easily develop infrastructure
 
14260139:byubound said:
Sure, maybe it is. There are better places in ut for destination resort skiing than canyons with winding and steep 2 lane roads and no more space to easily develop infrastructure
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But you realize that snowbird is the destination in utah, right? I had friends in middle school who went to snowbird and came back with teeshirts and shit, that was early 2000s.
 
14260125:MastePoleWhacker said:
Im a utah transplant (for college) from Washington and I gotta tell you guys if you think the cottonwoods are bad you’ve just never skied Crystal. Crowds/traffic are absolutely heinous out there and growing up there means this just doesn’t seem that bad to me

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its not all doom and gloom, its just this season in particular. Last season was arguably way better in terms of snow and we were still able to zip up the canyon around 11:30am, find parking on pow days, and still nab some incredible skiing. Also showing up for first chair and standing around for control work to be done has lost its magic. Its much better to do noon patrol nowadays.

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14260142:eheath said:
But you realize that snowbird is the destination in utah, right? I had friends in middle school who went to snowbird and came back with teeshirts and shit, that was early 2000s.
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Ok, cool. I travelled to snowbird when I was in middle school too. I'm not arguing and I haven't been arguing that my initial proposal wouldn't be a colossal change/challenge in the tourism industry in UT or that its even realistic at all, so I'm not sure why you're hung up on this whole 'ski resorts and tourism have always been around so they must continue to be around' thing. All I'm saying is that I am convinced that the cottonwood canyons would be a better place without the resorts for the reasons I listed: the environment, traffic, the whole powder panic mentality, etc.
 
14260144:DeebieSkeebies said:
Also showing up for first chair and standing around for control work to be done has lost its magic. Its much better to do noon patrol nowadays.

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Shut your whore mouth.
 
14260159:byubound said:
Ok, cool. I travelled to snowbird when I was in middle school too. I'm not arguing and I haven't been arguing that my initial proposal wouldn't be a colossal change/challenge in the tourism industry in UT or that its even realistic at all, so I'm not sure why you're hung up on this whole 'ski resorts and tourism have always been around so they must continue to be around' thing. All I'm saying is that I am convinced that the cottonwood canyons would be a better place without the resorts for the reasons I listed: the environment, traffic, the whole powder panic mentality, etc.
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And i disagree with you how hard is that to understand? haha
 
14260163:eheath said:
And i disagree with you how hard is that to understand? haha
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Lol I get that you disagree with me, that's totally chill. Have you ever heard the bit about how the purpose of argument isn't to change your opponent's mind, but the mind of the observer who might be on the fence about some issue? You take a position, I make a counterpoint and in doing so set up my own position. I think its fun and beneficial to shaping opinion and critical thought, no shade here.
 
14260168:byubound said:
Lol I get that you disagree with me, that's totally chill. Have you ever heard the bit about how the purpose of argument isn't to change your opponent's mind, but the mind of the observer who might be on the fence about some issue? You take a position, I make a counterpoint and in doing so set up my own position. I think its fun and beneficial to shaping opinion and critical thought, no shade here.
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The difference is that I think what you're saying isn't constructive or beneficial, but that doesn't really matter.
 
14260139:byubound said:
Sure, maybe it is. There are better places in ut for destination resort skiing than canyons with winding and steep 2 lane roads and no more space to easily develop infrastructure
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Omg the worst is people from the midwest/east/south/wherever who cannot for the life of them drive in mountains. I've seen it in CO, MT, UT, none of them were exempt from them. As someone who likes driving almost more than skiing, bad drivers piss me off more than inconsiderate skiers. Big Sky base is at the top of a long winding hill up from the canyon, and I was behind a Penn driver who was on her brakes the entire way down -rant over cus brain has been blown-
 
14260174:eheath said:
The difference is that I think what you're saying isn't constructive or beneficial, but that doesn't really matter.
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Ok no worries, if that's the case it should be clear through our discussion to anyone that reads it, unless I am some kind of pied piper of anti-ski resort activism

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bumping cuz Snowbird did away with parking reservations Mon-Thur. People can stop parking at Alta and skiing Snowbird now!

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14265042:DeebieSkeebies said:
bumping cuz Snowbird did away with parking reservations Mon-Thur. People can stop parking at Alta and skiing Snowbird now!

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Can we link and ski the bird? I need friends
 
14257390:byubound said:
Read my OP. The problem this year in touring is lack of education, not numbers. Make basic backcountry skills part of the fundamentals everyone learns when they start skiing.
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Just wanted to respond to this, but if I remember correctly from the PSIA report I read...years ago and can't read anymore because it's behind a big paywall, most of the skiers in the united states are based in either the midwest or east coast, where there is limited or no avy danger.
 
14260185:ReturnToMonkey said:
Omg the worst is people from the midwest/east/south/wherever who cannot for the life of them drive in mountains. I've seen it in CO, MT, UT, none of them were exempt from them. As someone who likes driving almost more than skiing, bad drivers piss me off more than inconsiderate skiers. Big Sky base is at the top of a long winding hill up from the canyon, and I was behind a Penn driver who was on her brakes the entire way down -rant over cus brain has been blown-
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Those drivers probably weren't from the midwest. We are from the land of lots of snow (in some places), bad roads (in most places), and batshit crazy drivers (all places).

I always love being out west because the roads are so nice and easy to drive. The mountains get a lot of snow, but I can't think of many 30-40k plus cities out west that consistently get 2ft storms on the roads. Pretty sure some of the snowiest cities in the countries are from the midwest like Buffalo, Hancock, etc.
 
14265102:Lonely said:
Those drivers probably weren't from the midwest. We are from the land of lots of snow (in some places), bad roads (in most places), and batshit crazy drivers (all places).

I always love being out west because the roads are so nice and easy to drive. The mountains get a lot of snow, but I can't think of many 30-40k plus cities out west that consistently get 2ft storms on the roads. Pretty sure some of the snowiest cities in the countries are from the midwest like Buffalo, Hancock, etc.
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Nah its not the snow, its miles of incline/decline being driven so poorly.
 
if youda told me back in 96 the dread locked freehealed nittnay loin freehealed freak i worked with and started skiing and touring with would be in charge of trying to unfuck a red snake that didnt exist

ida laughed smoked a bowl and went skiing

which is my plan for this season

youre wrong about it being uneducated newbs that are gittin caught in avalaunches and fatalities

go look at the data
 
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