A Message From Jason Levinthal
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yeah you dumbass phrosty, you of all people should know about jokes
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mtbaker_rules
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very interesting that j would come on here. i guess he kind of takes this site SERIOUSLY and thinks its a legitimate part of our sport. just got my first pair of twins this year and i love them. yes they're lines and i'll never forget how they changed the way i look at skiing for the better. I know how it might sound lame but skis can have a big impact.
i'm kind of rambling but i'm just glad a guy who heads a ski company who's not old and wrinkly can come on our site and make a statement. he may have been talking down to some people but he's jay fucking levinthal. he's done more than a lot of people on this site, including me, for skiing.
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i'm kind of rambling but i'm just glad a guy who heads a ski company who's not old and wrinkly can come on our site and make a statement. he may have been talking down to some people but he's jay fucking levinthal. he's done more than a lot of people on this site, including me, for skiing.
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NH_LiNe
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Well once agian Jay L posts in a forum, ive seen others, BUT I DONT NO IF ITS REALLY IS HIM! It could be Sally Joninklaklu for all i no, but if this is really Jay L.
Then I have to say forever life Line, ur products kickass and ur costumer service does too, i will most definately be buying your binding after next season and I will most definately be buying more line skis. I dont no about this whole non- twintip thing I mean that kind of pisses me off, why would you want to support those skiers when you are for Twintips... i just need an answer on that, but whatever as long as you progress my sport keep up the super work uve done, i mean u reply to peoples messages really fast and lastly once again LONG LIVE LINE!
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Then I have to say forever life Line, ur products kickass and ur costumer service does too, i will most definately be buying your binding after next season and I will most definately be buying more line skis. I dont no about this whole non- twintip thing I mean that kind of pisses me off, why would you want to support those skiers when you are for Twintips... i just need an answer on that, but whatever as long as you progress my sport keep up the super work uve done, i mean u reply to peoples messages really fast and lastly once again LONG LIVE LINE!
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FelixRioux
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Hey Dspin7,
Line was the only company willing to sponsor Pollard when he was riding skis without poles. I remember back then when the ski industry laugh at his style and didn't think he would make it anywhere...
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Line was the only company willing to sponsor Pollard when he was riding skis without poles. I remember back then when the ski industry laugh at his style and didn't think he would make it anywhere...
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JLev
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A lot of you are still wondering why Line would consider to add a mainstream ski to our line up. There is only one reason we are making skis that branch outside of the twin tip market. We want to introduce more skiers to our side of the sport, no different than the day you were introduced to it and now are a loyal fan for life to the newschool scene. Unfortunately though not everyone is as gutsy as you guys, most people are at first intimidated by a pro model or real twin tip because they think they have to be pro to ride it. There are lots of poeple that want to cross over but just need more of a bridge which is what our all-mtn skis are for. They are for people that have never been on twin tips who are willing to take a step closer but not take the full leap yet. The Darkside for example is much closer to what they are used to skiing on but introduces them to a ski with a cool graphic, name and about half the feel of a freestyle ski and half the feel of an all-mtn ski. If any of us expect the newschool scene to grow and continue we need to introduce more people to it.
If line went sidewall again i would probably buy, but you guys can't deny how much Line has done for our sport. Shame on!
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line__skis
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Viva la Line! Man you sound like such a sick guy Jason... youve def. help shape skiing and ur still shapping every day! I think the Reg. skis are a sick idea, it will get some adults into the sport that just dont think their up to smuff!You have the best team, and some of the best skis! Keep up the good work I hope to get to ski with you one day at Stowe if I ever visit!
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Big-L
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if they didnt have to replace every ski twice because they keep breaking they wouldnt need to make a single tip ski. since everyone ive ever skiied with that had lines has broken at least one pair, if they hadn't line would have been able to sell that pair for another 500 or so bucks. they need better skis not more skis
Prins
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There is an aspect some people seem to be missing. If you don't support the sport it will die. Yea it's started, doubt it will stop now but we are still forming it. When you buy your skis or a hoodie that money gets sent around the ski industry. If it goes to a company like salomon or k2 a small portion of it comes back to our spot. Where as when you buy from a company totally supporting the movement (line, siver, freeskier (as freeze is owned by time/warner), and even websites like newschools and midwestskier) a very large portion of that money goes right back into stuff like R+D and production of new gear. A much higher percent then going with one of the more expanded corporations. That’s my two cents anyway.
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miss_hevern87
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line rocks and i get the feeling htat half the people on here that say they suck have never even ridden em.
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Baker
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Big-L, im taking to you, and i've had three pairs of line skis and not one has broken. So now you can't say that anymore. Also, line only sells the skis for about 300. One more thing, rousell, you are gay.
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Prins, you bring up a very good point that we do need to support the industry as much as we can, but that doesn't mean we have to support companies like Line just because they are there. Line is not cool just because they say so in their ads or their president comes on a message board and posts twice. Support the companies in the market, but don't blindly support companies that have to change their slogan every year so they can justify their ever changing marketing scheme. If you think Line is cool thats fine, you are entitled to you opinion, but I haven't heard one solid argument in favour of them and we're almost at post number 70 in this thread.
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ok CKO, tell me why Line isn't cool...also what makes a company cool? What is your criteria? Because if it is simply that they are core, then the only company that can be cool is Armada because right now they're the only ones who don't make carving skis, all mountain skis, race skis, snow blades, or skier cross skis. Every other company...this means Rossignol, Salomon, K2, Atomic, Volkl, and especially Dynastar makes all of the above mentioned products. Go open a Rossingol or Dynastar consumer catalog. They will have around twenty pages with eighteen of them DEVOTED to the mainstream and one to two acknowledging newschool. All these companies product mixes consist of 90% mainstream and 10% newschool, whereas Line's product mix consists of 75% newschool and 25% mainstream. How can Line catch so much flack for expanding, and the operative word here is expanding, their product offering to include more and more skiers, as J said so eloquently, to introduce them to the future of the sport, when every other company butters their austrian and french asses with revenue obtained not from supply us with a pitiful 1,000 units of freestyle skis, but 100,000 units of low end, crappy foam core, carving skis? Please explain to me why Dynastar's trouble maker is so cool. Because I certainly don't need a skis name telling me that I'm a rebel-rouser, and I'm certainley not stoked that it has the same name and graphic as a snowboard by the same name. I'm sure it's skis great, but what makes it cool?
All Line is trying to do is offer an alternative, something different. It is a group of young people, who for better or worse have different ideas then their french counterparts. I don't think that Line's mission ever stated that they explicitly wanted to rejuvenate and grow the sport of skiing by making park skis...on the contrary this bold statement simply conotes the idea that the sport that we all love had grown stagnant, that new ideas and products had simply ceased to flow. J is brining new ideas and products to all aspects of our sport. He has introduced a radical new binding, he is making all-mountian skis with a graphic other than symmetrical lines and colors. For that reason alone I say Line is cool. It is the American dream put to motion. In these troubled times of war, corruption, and economic disparity, it is nice to see that a young kid from Albany, NY can have a vision, no matter what that vision is, nor whether you agree with it, and see it through to fruition. Maybe you don't like skiboards, maybe you don't like the way that Line skis perform for you...fine, but I think that anybody who turns nothing into something is cool in my book, whether I like what they've created or not.
Line is still in its infancy. Sure their product isn't perfect, maybe they make mistakes too, just like I'm sure you've incorrectly exposed a photo that would have been perfect. But let me just point out a small bit of information for those of you who think that this thing we call newschool is a little bigger than it really is. In North America there are around 600,000 skis sold. Only 20,000 of those are twintips, and that includes skis like the teneighty and the pocket rocket which are defintely being skied by people that are not skiing newschool. In fact I see more pocket rockets on 55 year old women then I do 18 year old kids. That is 3.3% of all sales in North America. If Line owned even 20% of twin tip sales it would account for 0.6% of all sales. That means that Line doesn't sell a lot of skis.
The fact that they still support riders, even place ads, which cost around $8,000 a page (rough estimate) is amazing. The fact that they are in business is amazing. Even more amazing is the fact that if you break your ski on a rail, they will replace it is amazing. Call Dynastar with a broken ski because of rail damage andlisten to them laugh. Rail damage is not a manufaturers defect, but because Line care's about the sport and its customers, they will generally take care of it.
Because of all this, they are cool.
Some of you are right. Why would Line even make a non-twin ski? The fact is they haven't. The Darksides this year had a tail height of 15mm. That's equally high as the K2 enemy, and just under the tail height on a Dynastar concept. Besides, if more people skied on twins, then there wouldn't even be an argument. I remember a time in Snowboarding's not to distant past when there were flat tailed snowboards. Now all boards, save race decks have tails. It's just going to take time, and a lot of help from all of us, to change people's minds. In twenty years I believe all skis will be twinned because all of us will be 40 and our kids will be skiing. Until then, we've all got to change and progress year to year. That's all Line is trying to do. Change, evolve and progress.
Line is cool because they are trying.
Ride what you like, but keep in mind that a dollar spent with companies like Line, Armada, and 4FRNT will go farther to help change our sport for the better than a dollar spent with companies like Rossi, Dynastar, Atomic and Volkl.
One last thing to keep in mind. Progessive freestyle skiing, and in general this whole movement are fueled by North America and image. We are an image based people. I encourage all of you to take a trip to France, Germany and Austria. Pay special attention to the skiing over there. First, there are WAY more skiers in Europe then over here, and second even a smaller percentage of skiers in Europe are newschool skiers. This means that that 600,000 units number reaches far above 1 million units in Europe. Most of those skis are carving skis. This means that on a sheer numbers and business point of view, why would Dynastar and Atomic and Volkl and Rossi even care about selling 5,000 twins when they can literally sell 250,000 carving skis? On an average wholesale cost of $200USD, that is a revenue difference of $49,000,000USD. They simply don't care. They give us the product to shut us up, and to try and win us over to their brand so we buy more of their carving skis. Twin tips are a damn marketing expense for them, and not a source of revenue. I call for a change. Let's support the companies who are trying to support us. Demand Line, Demand Armada, Demand 4FRNT, and any other new company. Don't support Rossi, Volkl, Dynastar or Atomic. Let our voices be heard. Let's stop quarelling and fight to change the sport for us!!
Peace out,
Jordan
All Line is trying to do is offer an alternative, something different. It is a group of young people, who for better or worse have different ideas then their french counterparts. I don't think that Line's mission ever stated that they explicitly wanted to rejuvenate and grow the sport of skiing by making park skis...on the contrary this bold statement simply conotes the idea that the sport that we all love had grown stagnant, that new ideas and products had simply ceased to flow. J is brining new ideas and products to all aspects of our sport. He has introduced a radical new binding, he is making all-mountian skis with a graphic other than symmetrical lines and colors. For that reason alone I say Line is cool. It is the American dream put to motion. In these troubled times of war, corruption, and economic disparity, it is nice to see that a young kid from Albany, NY can have a vision, no matter what that vision is, nor whether you agree with it, and see it through to fruition. Maybe you don't like skiboards, maybe you don't like the way that Line skis perform for you...fine, but I think that anybody who turns nothing into something is cool in my book, whether I like what they've created or not.
Line is still in its infancy. Sure their product isn't perfect, maybe they make mistakes too, just like I'm sure you've incorrectly exposed a photo that would have been perfect. But let me just point out a small bit of information for those of you who think that this thing we call newschool is a little bigger than it really is. In North America there are around 600,000 skis sold. Only 20,000 of those are twintips, and that includes skis like the teneighty and the pocket rocket which are defintely being skied by people that are not skiing newschool. In fact I see more pocket rockets on 55 year old women then I do 18 year old kids. That is 3.3% of all sales in North America. If Line owned even 20% of twin tip sales it would account for 0.6% of all sales. That means that Line doesn't sell a lot of skis.
The fact that they still support riders, even place ads, which cost around $8,000 a page (rough estimate) is amazing. The fact that they are in business is amazing. Even more amazing is the fact that if you break your ski on a rail, they will replace it is amazing. Call Dynastar with a broken ski because of rail damage andlisten to them laugh. Rail damage is not a manufaturers defect, but because Line care's about the sport and its customers, they will generally take care of it.
Because of all this, they are cool.
Some of you are right. Why would Line even make a non-twin ski? The fact is they haven't. The Darksides this year had a tail height of 15mm. That's equally high as the K2 enemy, and just under the tail height on a Dynastar concept. Besides, if more people skied on twins, then there wouldn't even be an argument. I remember a time in Snowboarding's not to distant past when there were flat tailed snowboards. Now all boards, save race decks have tails. It's just going to take time, and a lot of help from all of us, to change people's minds. In twenty years I believe all skis will be twinned because all of us will be 40 and our kids will be skiing. Until then, we've all got to change and progress year to year. That's all Line is trying to do. Change, evolve and progress.
Line is cool because they are trying.
Ride what you like, but keep in mind that a dollar spent with companies like Line, Armada, and 4FRNT will go farther to help change our sport for the better than a dollar spent with companies like Rossi, Dynastar, Atomic and Volkl.
One last thing to keep in mind. Progessive freestyle skiing, and in general this whole movement are fueled by North America and image. We are an image based people. I encourage all of you to take a trip to France, Germany and Austria. Pay special attention to the skiing over there. First, there are WAY more skiers in Europe then over here, and second even a smaller percentage of skiers in Europe are newschool skiers. This means that that 600,000 units number reaches far above 1 million units in Europe. Most of those skis are carving skis. This means that on a sheer numbers and business point of view, why would Dynastar and Atomic and Volkl and Rossi even care about selling 5,000 twins when they can literally sell 250,000 carving skis? On an average wholesale cost of $200USD, that is a revenue difference of $49,000,000USD. They simply don't care. They give us the product to shut us up, and to try and win us over to their brand so we buy more of their carving skis. Twin tips are a damn marketing expense for them, and not a source of revenue. I call for a change. Let's support the companies who are trying to support us. Demand Line, Demand Armada, Demand 4FRNT, and any other new company. Don't support Rossi, Volkl, Dynastar or Atomic. Let our voices be heard. Let's stop quarelling and fight to change the sport for us!!
Peace out,
Jordan
OReJow
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see, the thing is, Line IS cool. that's why they've come under criticism. if Line weren't cool, we wouldn't give a shit. Did you here about next years Elans? no. cause nobody gives a shit. And basically, that's the problem Line is facing here. When you start with a 100% newschool lineup, and then add a rec ski, or carver, you have just become less core. when a rec/carver/all-mtn based company adds a twin to their lineup, they have just become more core. that's why nobody is criticizing dynastar for having carving skis. we're just stoked that they have the troublemaker. it's just a different perspective, and yes, its a double standard, which may or may not be fair, but that is something that these newer companies (Line, Armada, 4frnt) are going to continue to face.
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mtbaker_rules
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good post but i don't necessarily support the last part about not supporting mainstream ski companies. i mean these are the companies we grew up with. i've had some kickass fischers, k2s, and atomics that made me happy when i skied them. i like having my line skis because they're an alternative to the bigger companies but we shouldn't turn our backs on the companies that supplied us with kickass skies for years and years. buy the ski you like and will work for you, don't get caught up in fads and popularity contests.
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OReJow
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yeah, that's what i'm trying to say basically, Gutt and people like him are doing great things, trying to make old, establsihed ski companies not only recognize, but embrace newschool. so, every step along the way is seen as an achievement. when you have a ski company who is based in newschool, every step towards mainstream/mediocrity, is seen as regression.
i'm not saying it's right, i'm not saying one is better than the other, i'm just trying to give some insight.
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cko
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I’m not going to argue what is cool and what isn’t because that’s an OPINION, not fact. I was advising people to look at the business strategies that Line has used in the past and how different they are now (I've not once mentioned the quality of their products which is an entirely different issue).
I’ve never said that other companies were better than Line… all I was doing was pointing out why I have made criticisms of Line in the past. I figured that since Levinthal came on here defending himself I owed him a rebuttal so that I’m not taken as every other kid that bashes Line for no reason whatsoever.
Also, you seem to be basing what is cool on graphics alone. Or maybe what you mean is: because Line is different, Line is cool. That’s a pretty dangerous statement to make though if that’s all you’re basing it on. I for one have never ever had a ski rep from a large corporation “laugh” at me for bringing in a warranty claim. In fact Rossi just gave me brand new bindings because the old ones I had didn’t support wide brakes, that’s pretty damn good service if you ask me. They didn't have to do that but they did.
Listen, all I wanted to get across is that Line isn’t the be-all and end-all of ski companies the way some people talk about it. I have met individuals like Mike Gutt at K2 that is just as dedicated to progressing newschool skiing as anyone else. Hell, Gutt may have a harder time because he is fighting an uphill battle against the fact that K2 has historically been known for not taking a big role in newschool.
I also don't really see where the fact that newschool is a small market comes into the argument, but maybe thats just me.
I know that I won’t change any opinions and I’m not really trying to, I’m just shedding light on another way of looking at the issue. I won’t make apologies for my criticisms because I feel they are valid.
Chris
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I’ve never said that other companies were better than Line… all I was doing was pointing out why I have made criticisms of Line in the past. I figured that since Levinthal came on here defending himself I owed him a rebuttal so that I’m not taken as every other kid that bashes Line for no reason whatsoever.
Also, you seem to be basing what is cool on graphics alone. Or maybe what you mean is: because Line is different, Line is cool. That’s a pretty dangerous statement to make though if that’s all you’re basing it on. I for one have never ever had a ski rep from a large corporation “laugh” at me for bringing in a warranty claim. In fact Rossi just gave me brand new bindings because the old ones I had didn’t support wide brakes, that’s pretty damn good service if you ask me. They didn't have to do that but they did.
Listen, all I wanted to get across is that Line isn’t the be-all and end-all of ski companies the way some people talk about it. I have met individuals like Mike Gutt at K2 that is just as dedicated to progressing newschool skiing as anyone else. Hell, Gutt may have a harder time because he is fighting an uphill battle against the fact that K2 has historically been known for not taking a big role in newschool.
I also don't really see where the fact that newschool is a small market comes into the argument, but maybe thats just me.
I know that I won’t change any opinions and I’m not really trying to, I’m just shedding light on another way of looking at the issue. I won’t make apologies for my criticisms because I feel they are valid.
Chris
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powskier1080
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'Progessive freestyle skiing, and in general this whole movement are fueled by North America and image. We are an image based people.'
And that is exactly why everyone is so upset that Line is making carving skis. Whether anyone will admit it or not, most people buy Lines because of the image they present, not because of the quality of product. Line has been fighting for years to fend off their ski boarding image to skiers, and now they're making carving skis. What do you expect? The image craving ski population to suck it up and continue to support a 'core' company?
Line will continue to face critisism from their supporters until they learn how to focus on a single market.
Imagine what would happen to Porsche's image if they decided to build a $12,000, 1.2L family sedan in order to increase revenue?
It's simply a horrific marketing decision.
And that is exactly why everyone is so upset that Line is making carving skis. Whether anyone will admit it or not, most people buy Lines because of the image they present, not because of the quality of product. Line has been fighting for years to fend off their ski boarding image to skiers, and now they're making carving skis. What do you expect? The image craving ski population to suck it up and continue to support a 'core' company?
Line will continue to face critisism from their supporters until they learn how to focus on a single market.
Imagine what would happen to Porsche's image if they decided to build a $12,000, 1.2L family sedan in order to increase revenue?
It's simply a horrific marketing decision.
Prins
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I dont' get how you can't see the connection between where your money goes and where it ends up. If I buy a pair of public enemies some of that money might end up making sterns lifejackets. thats not exactly helping or keeping the money in our sport now is it. You must be utterly dense to not see that point. I would counter your other points but those are all opinion based.
cko
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So now if you buy Lines some of the money can go into ski-boards (or did they abandon that too? sign of things to come?) or into carving skis.
Where do you think they got the money to build these new carving skis????? Hmm, must have been from the twin-tip sales.
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Where do you think they got the money to build these new carving skis????? Hmm, must have been from the twin-tip sales.
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they pretty much abandoned skiboarding, no money is going into that.
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Prins
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so are you actually telling me that there isn't any carving technology in the other companies twin tips? I don't know for a fact but I'm pretty sure that if line was making these carving skis it was to do some testing to make there skis better for the whole mountain. They already kill it in the park and they are addressing and issue some of the skis face. J said that they aren't going to produce them. to me it makes sense.
mtbaker_rules
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i guess the intelligent debate has gone down the shitter with that last comment, thanks rocketboy
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abasinski
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I bought a pair of Darksides this season and there were two reasons: their warranty and customer service, and their sick, rider oriented products. My friends ski Line and like Line. Yes, they broke a ski. One guy ripped out his binding backflipping off a 8 ft kicker and landing on his tails. Shit happens. He could have done that on a Troublemaker or Public Enemy. I'm buying Line's binding and the 1260 too. And all those people bitching about how Line sucks--Don't buy it, but don't whine about it on the forum all the time.
cko
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Baker, that info was posted like 2 months ago, so I don't think that would be news to anyone.
Coyote said it nicely in an above post: some people are working hard to see 'establsihed ski companies not only recognize, but embrace newschool. so, every step along the way is seen as an achievement. when you have a ski company who is based in newschool, every step towards mainstream/mediocrity, is seen as regression.'
'...if it weren't for harvey we would all be in the freeze forum.'
Coyote said it nicely in an above post: some people are working hard to see 'establsihed ski companies not only recognize, but embrace newschool. so, every step along the way is seen as an achievement. when you have a ski company who is based in newschool, every step towards mainstream/mediocrity, is seen as regression.'
'...if it weren't for harvey we would all be in the freeze forum.'
OReJow
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this shouldn't turn into a shit talking thread about how line sucks. shit talking gets us nowhere. if you have something intelligent to say, say it. comments like 'line sucks' aren't getting anyone anywhere. how about 'this is a problem, this is how we should go about fixing it.' that's a lot more productive than just saying something sucks.
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VC
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In response to doubt that he told me to never buy line again. This was after many emails back in forth where he acted like a 4 yard old when I tried to appeal to any reason that he might have hade. After being told multiple times that shipping to me directly would be no problem because my shop is in NY and I moved to tahoe:
....We never ship warrantys to consumers, all warranties are delt with directly with the shop only including return shipping.
Please never buy our product again.
thanks,
J
....We never ship warrantys to consumers, all warranties are delt with directly with the shop only including return shipping.
Please never buy our product again.
thanks,
J
D-spin
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on one hand i go along with everything that you say cko but on the other hand... skiing is suposed to be all about having fun, if you look at a sport like snowboarding(or lets say snowboarding 7 years ago)the sport it self was created without internet sites like this, there was just a large group of people out there ridding boards inventing as many new tricks as they could. But now we have sites like this showing of videos of what the cool people are doing in our sport and all the little kids out there try to copy it. I think that skiing would be alot more orignonal, have alot more tricks, alot more people would like it cause of its uniquness and ablity to do what ever you want. But because of all this internet coverage we dont have a large group of kids going out and having fun we simply have a large group of kids going out and copying what the pros do, and thinking htat if they sucseed in doing exactly what tanner hall does they should atomaticly get sponcored. This is not the way and sport with the word FREE in it should be. It should be about doing your trick for fun, not copying tanner hall. So insted of trying to change the sport by making long boring internet posts like this one and all the other ones before me, why dont you go out there and change the sport by doing what ever the hell you want to do how ever the hell you want to do it... thats my opinon on all this.
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line__skis
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D-Spin I like ur view its really good! Makes you think what it would be like!!
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cko
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D-Spin, you’re very right that without the net this sport could be very different, but I think the fact that people can share knowledge and discuss it makes up for all of the shit talking that goes on (If you try your best to ignore the pointless trashing that goes on and just get out the good bits of info, the net is actually a decent place). I think the amount of information and education people get about issues in the industry creates cynicism, but I would rather be a cynic and educated, than just some random skier that has no idea what is going on. Take the example of Armada, the vast majority of people on this site probably wouldn’t have heard about armada until all of the magazines came out if it weren’t for the net. Instead, by mid-summer everyone was talking and by the time the ads were out, everyone already knew about it. Is this a good thing? I’m not going to say yes emphatically but like I said above, I’d rather have as much information as I can.
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D-spin
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yah but then without the net then everything you are trying to say would be true, people wouldnt by skis because they think they are cool, they would buy skis because of the fact that they think that the give them an advantage over all the other athletes. I mean its all hypithetical though because to tell you the truth if it wernt for me getting the internet 2 years ago i would be snowboarding not skiing...
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cko
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I agree that the 'cool' factor may not be as high without a community of people to try and be 'cool' to; but I didn't think this thread was about the quality of Line skis, or any skis for that matter, just the decisions that Line has made in the history of the company and whether or not you support those decisions.
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thegreyarea
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snowninja...you sound NOTHING like j...i've talked to him and pissed him off more than anyone on this entire site and you definitely are not him. he has the intelligence and the lack of concern for a site like this to go preaching to a band of kids who as a whole couldn't decide on vanilla or chocolate ice cream. you're pissing in the corner of a square room man.
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I always say what I feel and that is a promise, nothing in life is above being honest - 311
from chaos comes clarity, I tell ya what you appare to me, you ought to know glycerin tears don't fool me, i tell ya delusions plaguing everybody - 311
Baker
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cko, i was just restating the previously stated information because it seems that some people may have forgotten, or are just ignorant to the situation.
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mtbakerskier
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CKO, a word of advise, the ski industry is a very small, close knit comunity, as some one who is trying to build a successful media company IE newschoolers.com you of all people should try to keep a open mind. Business is business, and it's climate that changes every year, who knows, Line could have / maybecome a hudge supporter / advertiser for your site in the fututre. Just keep that in mind.
As far as line skis go, the philosphy behind Line is exactly what the ski industry needs, if it wasnt for Leventhal, and snowboarding, and a few other visionarys, there would be no twin tip skis. In fact, with out companies / visionaries like line, many of your favorit ski mags would disapear, Advertisng keeps the mags running, with out that you would have no freeze/ powder / freeskier/ axis etc. In fact Leventhal was one of the main people that helped make axis exist.
Secondly as for K2 not being historically involved with newschool skiing, you couldnt be more wrong. K2 introduced the first modern twin tip ski, The Poacher, they also own Olin, wich was one of the first, and largest producers of twin tip skis back in the 70's remeber the 'olin mark 4' when Freestyle skiing was just starting. K2 was also one of the first to have a free ride team, IE morrison, holms, Krietler, etc. these guys along with the canadain airforce made newschool skiing what it is.
Basically what I am saying is dont diss on a company just because it decides to make a less core ski, after all if they dont make a profit, they will dissapear, jsut like many of your favorit mags, and production companies. Line is trying something new, give em credit for that, hell Line was the ones that decided to market its skis at a reasonable price, so that all of you guys out htere that want to become 'pro' could afford twin tips, and could afford to beat em. If you where paying full price for any other skis IE $600.00 plus i doubt that you would atempt many grinds etc.
Shure Line dosent make skis that suit my style / fit my needs, hell very few skis on the market will suit my skiing, but that doesnt meen i diss levinthal and his company. Give him some respect, and try to keep a open mind.
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As far as line skis go, the philosphy behind Line is exactly what the ski industry needs, if it wasnt for Leventhal, and snowboarding, and a few other visionarys, there would be no twin tip skis. In fact, with out companies / visionaries like line, many of your favorit ski mags would disapear, Advertisng keeps the mags running, with out that you would have no freeze/ powder / freeskier/ axis etc. In fact Leventhal was one of the main people that helped make axis exist.
Secondly as for K2 not being historically involved with newschool skiing, you couldnt be more wrong. K2 introduced the first modern twin tip ski, The Poacher, they also own Olin, wich was one of the first, and largest producers of twin tip skis back in the 70's remeber the 'olin mark 4' when Freestyle skiing was just starting. K2 was also one of the first to have a free ride team, IE morrison, holms, Krietler, etc. these guys along with the canadain airforce made newschool skiing what it is.
Basically what I am saying is dont diss on a company just because it decides to make a less core ski, after all if they dont make a profit, they will dissapear, jsut like many of your favorit mags, and production companies. Line is trying something new, give em credit for that, hell Line was the ones that decided to market its skis at a reasonable price, so that all of you guys out htere that want to become 'pro' could afford twin tips, and could afford to beat em. If you where paying full price for any other skis IE $600.00 plus i doubt that you would atempt many grinds etc.
Shure Line dosent make skis that suit my style / fit my needs, hell very few skis on the market will suit my skiing, but that doesnt meen i diss levinthal and his company. Give him some respect, and try to keep a open mind.
www.GrantGunderson.com
cko
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Well I guess I’m taking the brunt of the heat on this issue. I know of a few of people that feel the same way as I do but I guess they don’t feel like contributing or don’t really care (who could blame them).
First off Grant, I know that the ski industry is a close knit community and I do know that business is business. But what kind of business person can’t take a little bit of criticism on what I feel is a fairly relevant issue? I’m not out to change people’s opinions and make them anti-Line, I was just bringing up a viewpoint that some people may not have thought about.
The views that I have talked about here are my own, and not necessarily those of Newschoolers.com as a company. I come on here as an individual in a community and I’m not going to censor myself if I feel that I have something constructive to add.
As far as K2 goes I’d prefer it if you didn’t put words in my mouth. What I said was that K2 has TRADITIONALLY been known as a non-twin-tip ski company. Remember all the people in the thread that talked about market share? Well ask Joe Blow Skier riding a pair of K2 ModX’s what he’s heard about the Seth Pistol and the PE. My guess would be that he’s never heard of those skis. My point was that up until now, their MAIN focus has not been twin-tips. Was I wrong? No.
And about the skis, I never ONCE talked about the quality or use of Line’s product so I’m clearly not “dissing” Line because they don’t make a ski I like. Grant, in the future, I would appreciate it if you would read and comprehend my posts before you react to them, its just common courtesy.
Listen, I’m over arguing against people that think I’m out to try and bring Line down or something. That’s not the case. I have an OPINION about the way they have run their business and a lot of people have taken issue with it. If I’ve been wrong about some of the evidence that I’ve brought up, fine you can take me to town on that, but don’t bash an opinion because frankly, yours is no more valuable than mine.
I’m over it
'...if it weren't for harvey we would all be in the freeze forum.'
First off Grant, I know that the ski industry is a close knit community and I do know that business is business. But what kind of business person can’t take a little bit of criticism on what I feel is a fairly relevant issue? I’m not out to change people’s opinions and make them anti-Line, I was just bringing up a viewpoint that some people may not have thought about.
The views that I have talked about here are my own, and not necessarily those of Newschoolers.com as a company. I come on here as an individual in a community and I’m not going to censor myself if I feel that I have something constructive to add.
As far as K2 goes I’d prefer it if you didn’t put words in my mouth. What I said was that K2 has TRADITIONALLY been known as a non-twin-tip ski company. Remember all the people in the thread that talked about market share? Well ask Joe Blow Skier riding a pair of K2 ModX’s what he’s heard about the Seth Pistol and the PE. My guess would be that he’s never heard of those skis. My point was that up until now, their MAIN focus has not been twin-tips. Was I wrong? No.
And about the skis, I never ONCE talked about the quality or use of Line’s product so I’m clearly not “dissing” Line because they don’t make a ski I like. Grant, in the future, I would appreciate it if you would read and comprehend my posts before you react to them, its just common courtesy.
Listen, I’m over arguing against people that think I’m out to try and bring Line down or something. That’s not the case. I have an OPINION about the way they have run their business and a lot of people have taken issue with it. If I’ve been wrong about some of the evidence that I’ve brought up, fine you can take me to town on that, but don’t bash an opinion because frankly, yours is no more valuable than mine.
I’m over it
'...if it weren't for harvey we would all be in the freeze forum.'