A Message From Jason Levinthal

JLev

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Guys, thanks for the heads up, the insight, the disses, the support. Seven years ago when you were still working on your spread eagles I was working 14hr days in my garage every day trying to build a ski that would allow the sport to progress to where it is today. It's easy to forget that only 5 years ago skiers weren't allowed in the terrain park, or the fact that the only skis that existed were 200cm long and pointy with a square tail. Today you walk in your shop and there's a choice of 5 models of twin tips. In your mind it came from nowhere but for many of us it didn't exist until we went out of our way to create it. I'm not talking only about myself, it was many people, many companies, many different forms of media and most importantly many different riders from all over the world from all aspects of skiing all working together to bring the sport of skiing to where it is today. Skiing didn't start yesterday, it started hundreds of years ago, and that kind of history takes a long time to change and still has a long way to go. If the only respect you have is for the future without the knowlege and respect of your history or today than the future you were looking forward to may never come. There are many of you that understand what it takes to run a business especially a business that is putting 100% of itself out on the line for segment of the sport that saturates 100% of the media coverage yet only represents 3% of actual sales in stores. The ski industry is large, the companies are very gigantic, they are very established with many deep roots into all aspects of the industry from the shops owners to the magazines. These are multi conglomerate billion dollar sporting good Companies running this industry and this is a good thing but makes it very tough to come in and do something different. Salomon is owned by Addidas, this is a good thing because they can use this power to develop new and innovative products like the 1080 for the 3% of the market that will never buy enough in the next 2 years to cover it's cost of R&D. Rossignol owns Dynastar so that they can use the power of two brands and a world class racing program and the sales of hundreds of thousands of carving and non twin tip skis to create a great product like the Scratch with solid marketing and support riders with their non-twin tip sales money that otherwise would never have had the opportunity be promoted and finanically supported to get where they are today like like Tanner Hall. Entering this market as Line has, is not easy, but if it was everyone would be doing it, they're not. We've spent seven years working to pave the way for skiings future, now companies like Armada are making a go at it no different than Line has but this time the twin tip ski exists and before a ski is ever developed there is demand for this type of product. This is a good thing, this means we are making progress, this means that if we can all band together as consumers, shops, mags, videos, websites and riders to work as a team for one cause ther may be room for even more brands, and skis, and mags, and videos, and websites, and riders and most importantly skiers that will want to get involved and make what today is refered to as a movement someday into a sport. So here we are today, a very, very small company, not owned by a multi conglomerate sporting goods giant, without the financial support of other products to finance our mission, we don't make snowboards, we don't make rollerblades, we don't make scooters, we don't sell race skis, we don't sell rental skis, we can't afford 2 page ads in Freeze, or ski, or skiing, or freeskier, or powder, we don't have the 30 years of relationships with shops to convince them to continue to buy our products. We only have a mission and that mission will never change: To develop innovative high performance ski products with the LONG-TERM goal of rejuvenating, progressing and growing the sport of skiing...because skiing needs a future and we all need everyone to support all aspects and ways of getting their if we expect to ever see it at all. Please do not judge us on random photos on message boards of skis that will never be sold. Those carving skis that are pictured in other will never be in stores next winter. When our new website is up, our new brochure is out, our new ads are in the mag I will listen to your opinions as I always do, I answer 30 emails a day from you. Show me the owner of any other ski company in the world that listens like that, rides with you through the park at Stowe or at the rail jam downtown. You invented all the products we make, its your personal needs that myself and Line exist to fill. I will always follow the path that enables Line to stay in business in order to carry out the mission of all of us...because skiing needs a future and it will take all of us supporting everyone that is behind it to make it a reality.

Thanks for riding Line,

J

 
Can I get new skis? My Skogans are delamming like a mother and the shop I got them from is being a bitch (Skier's in Edmonton, never go there!).

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thats quite an ego. I liked how he didn't mention how Line is owned by Karhu, and also if they can't afford shit now, why are they wasting money developing skis that will never be sold?

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That’s a pretty passionate response to much of the criticism that you have been facing lately (I can’t speak for other message boards but I know this one quite well). No one in their right mind would say that what you have done didn’t take blood, sweat, and tears, along with 14 hour days. What I find troubling about your above message is that it assumes that most, if not all, the people that have been “dissing” Line are uneducated and ignorant about the industry and everything that you brought up regarding market share, conglomeration, the origins of the sport, etc.. I have been critical about Line lately because it frustrates me that a company that claims to be so core could even contemplate going so utterly mainstream. I can understand the need to survive in a tough marketplace but in my view of the situation I see Line completely differently than I did a year ago (not necessarily regarding the products themselves but the image that Line now has).

I would hope that you would agree that at the end of the day all that a company has is its image. Whether that be the image of the products, the way it does business, or other factors, the way a company is perceived is paramount to its success. I think it would be naïve to expect that by changing your market stance so drastically that you wouldn’t come under heavy criticism, especially in a market like this that relies so much on the trends of the day. You are right that Line should not be judged on products that haven’t hit the market yet but you can’t rock the boat and not expect to make waves.

I think we all want to see this small industry grow the way most of us know it is capable of growing. We each have a vision of what we want this sport to be and we’re all doing our part to try and make that a reality. You’re doing your part and I’m doing mine.

Best of luck in the future,

Peace

Chris

'...if it weren't for harvey we would all be in the freeze forum.'

 
line isnt owned by Karhu, line skis are mada in the Karhu factory...which is diferent, Armada isnt owned by the Zoploc factory....Nike and adidas arent own by the chinese factory that produce their shit..

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J, that's pretty awesome of you to come on NS and let us know whats going on. Somehow I doubt the president of Salomon spends much time on NS. So, thanks for listening.

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i said something, and the industry heards it. that's the whole point i was trying to make anyways. that we matter more than we realize.

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Very well said

maybe its just me though but it seems like over the last couple of years your 'mission' has changed.

you comment that you dont make scooters, or running shoes, or the such.

well in my mind you dont make carving skis, or a womans specific model.

you are good at making twintips, and ill admit the 1260's were the frist pair of twins i ever purchased, and eachyear i have had the new model, but you guys should stick to what your good at.

there is no doubt in my mind that line is a top ski company when it comes to the twintip market, and dont get me wrong cause i dont know squat about business, but it seems like you should perfect something before you try and move onto something else.

let the big companies have their racing skis, racing dosnt have a future, new school does, so take it and run with it.

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no you stupid fucker, most of line is owned by Karhu, jay lev. gets his paycheck from karhu. Karhu owns line.

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and i own you, bitch

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It's companies like Line that promote the industry. Thanks for coming on J, glad to see you here.

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j, come on man..despite that i'll back you on most of this...you got into skiing through skiboarding, i was the one that gave the guy at karhu the number to call you and line (i know b/c he sent me like a hundred bucks worth of shit as a thank you) and i've seen many 1-2 page ads in freeze.

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phrosty its people like you who make this board gay. you come on here runnin your mouth like you know EVERYTHING in the ski industry when all you know is stupid rumors that people start on sites like this. How could you possibly know where Jay Lev gets his paychecks from? Before you talk shit about people like him think about how much time, energy, money, and work he has had to put into that company. When i first heard line was making skis, i expected them to go out of business in the next year or two, but they are still around and bigger than they ever have been, which goes to show that j must have some determination.

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adam's right......adam did give karhu line's number to get hooked with them now jay is the president of line not the owner anymore.. in burlington is a KARHU shop but inside are line skis and karhu (tele-jibber skis)

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jibba, i know what i am talking about, I have close ties with line reps.

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A girl once asked me what punk was so I kicked a trash can over. Then she said 'So this is punk?' As she kicked another one over, ''No'' I replyed, ''That's trendy.''

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'because skiing needs a future'...he helped give us this so why are we all bitchin at him for stuff that we have no control over..it makes no sense...he never said it was a rider owned company and i dont see any forums bitchin about armada...only line...so shut up.

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Regardless if he is owned by Karhu or not and regardless if he is making a carving ski, he has a business to keep in mind. I know most of the people on this site are in their teens and I wish I still was, but the truth is I've been in the business world for a while and understand the whole supply and demand ideas. Unfortunately, their isn't enough demand for his business to stay afloat without going slightly mainstream. Do any of us core newschoolers want to see Line go out of business, I think not. I don't really like Line skis at least the way they ride, but I am all for a private company like Line succeeding. So let Jay Lev do his thing, he's got to eat, pay his bills, live his life so he can provide a service to our community, and if it takes a couple of carving skis, some fruit boots, and a god damn scooter then so be it. He is paving the way for our future, and our kids to be soaring higher then we could ever imagine on some crazy prototype ski that we all think is for some young punks like we are now. Let him to make a buck to supply us with progressive new products like his new binding etc. Just be proud to be part of the movement and that there are so many that want to be involved, cause its growing everyday, which is good and bad. I just hope that we eventually have the $$$ that the snowboarding industry has to work with, and that should be a goal for all of us. That means people like Jay will have better product, graphics and a larger line of Lines for us to check out, as well as money to pay riders to push the sport into the next decades to come. Rock on Jay, Damn the Man, fight for your rights. Nuff said!

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i think most of the complaints were about his choice of words

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skiing or sex... good question????

 
'racing dosnt have a future,'

you are a stupid, stupid person.

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it's good to see that j recognizes the potential of this site for a ski market and i agree with him 100%! i had actually considered line for my next pair of skis because of the whole rider driven aspect but i've decided to get away from twins and go bac kto flat tails for skiercross!

everyone should support line even if they just buy a hoody or something! j is really chill guy! thanx for the beer in montreal j!

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Just so you know It was line not Salomon that made the first 'Back cointry twintip'. It's the mother ship not the pocket rocket.

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I've met J when i went down to the Line Office in Burlington and he's an awesome guy. so is mike nick and the rest of the Line crew...Once J and his guys perfect the binding, salomon, k2, rossi, dynastar, head, volkl, and all of them are going to be shitting there pants. i may ski on the PE's but I support Line for sure...nice job J-Lev

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K2Skier, why would all those big companies care about line making a good binding when they can't even make skis that don't fall apart after half a season?

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i definately agree. i also agree with what undercarriage said.

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On a happier cooler note, DAMN that trouble maker is SICK! hahahaha

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when people here dog j cause line is owned by karhu. you people are fools. telemarking has never been a big part of the industry. do you really see anyone skiing them ever? and plus all of karhu's tele's are twin tipped now. thats progression

 
way to earn that paycheck Reedy!

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i hate jay because he claims skiboarding is harder than skiing. that makes him a faggot. :-D

 
I've never dealt with more crap and run arounds with a ski company until I dealt with line and jason levinthal himself, and since he told me to never buy line again, i wouldn't and really don't have much good to say about the company

 
^I don't get it. J Levinthal told you not to buy Lines? You're going to have to explain that as it's a pretty bold statement to just be throwing around.

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Good call Reedy.. I'll be going out to bust the cherry on my pair tomarrow..

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jason levinthal is a cool guy and he's trying to get the best stuff for us, i think some of you should give him and line a break, ya they have some bugs to work out but they are progressing.

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i was talking to j's dad(he works at my school) and he said that its b/c when ski boards first started they were like in LINE skates for snow.

 
why are u so gay??

i predict in year 2010 there will be no snowboarders and all freeskiers , why because skiing kicks ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
give the man respect...whether you hate skiboarding or love it who cares..this is the guy that gave Eric Pollard, Skogan Sprang, Mike Nick and many others the chance to make it in the ski world...i bet if we walked up to you and said what he said up there you'd be frozen still and wouldnt talk any shit...

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all he does is bash other skis. I rode the lift with him at breck. and I was on some k2's and he was like when are you gona get some real skis? and I was like as soon as yours stop falling apart.

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A girl once asked me what punk was so I kicked a trash can over. Then she said 'So this is punk?' As she kicked another one over, ''No'' I replyed, ''That's trendy.''

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Wow, I never thought that the state of a small ski company would cause such a controversy in the Newschool ski industry. I think that most of the comments and issues that Jason covered were valid. He made good points and made them well. I understand that Line is a twin-tip ski manufacturer. I can't say that I can imagine the company as being anything different. I also can't imagine the company producing anything but twin-tip skis and skiboards. Gender specific carving skis? I don't see women spending money on a company that has no reputation at all in the field. It's hard for people to see past the twin-tips that Line makes. But at the same time it wasn't hard for people to see past Salomon's racing skis...or carving skis. Salomon's 1080's sold incredibly well the first year. I guess it just doesn't work the way Line wants it to. It would be a dissapointment to see the company go. But if that's the way it goes...there's nothing anyone can do about it. But hey, what do I know?

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huge props

changing the stereotype of skiiers one jib at a time

skiing is just like sex. when its good, its goooooood. and when its not so good, its still pretty good.

im tired of the mother fucking jacket!

a bar of soap?

haha thats right, got you good fucker!
 
im pretty sure when he said get some real skis he was jokin. i've had reps from atomic, salomon nad rossi tell me the exact thing when they see me on machetes.

meh, im gettin the atomic sx:11 next year! no more twins for me

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