A Local Heroin Epidemic

But bro, I got it from a "trusted friend".

I love when people try to convince you that they know that their stuff is real and then you test it and it comes up yellow or red.

 
I ( and people I mention ) come from affluent families in affluent towns:

my personal belief is people start with the OTC and move to H as it's cheaper

my cousin died of an H overdose

my friends cousin died of an H overdose

I went to college with kids that picked up snorting H then addiction leads to IV

another friend has a cousin that goes to jail frequently to support the habit

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cocaine ruins lives, but this heroin BS ends lives.

 
where are you from? im from the coast too and have never heard of anyone getting into the heroin businessmeth is rampant not heroin though
 
I just had a girl from my high school overdose two days ago. This is not a local problem I've lived all over the country and it's everywhere, pretty soon the government going to step in and they going to be doing something about it, because this is getting out of hand.
 
What are they going to do? Make using heroin a crime? Put heroin dealers in jail? Spend lot of money trying to break up the drug trade?

Pretty sure they do all this. The government probably will try do do something about this but unfortunately it's extremely likely they'll go about it the wrong way and insist the methods we're currently using will eventually work if we just throw a little more money at it, ramp up the penalties a little higher etc.

It's amazing how little we've learned from the past and how fucking stubborn we can be. We can't seem to admit we were wrong and change our methods. We have to succeed even if its impossible with our current strategy.

When somebody dies from heroin there is outrage. Instead of channeling that into some positive reform we seek revenge on the dealer tat "killed" that person. We increase the penalties and convince ourselves we can win this war on drugs.

If we legalized or at least drecriminalized all drugs, put effort into treatment and legitimate education, we would be in much better shape.

 
There is treatment and legitimate education provided by a variety of groups. With the existence of the internet there is literally no reason for anyone who has not had access to a computer to not know about the effects of any drug they are considering ingesting.

There are help hotlines, walk in treatment centers, and if you go to the emergency department there are pamphlets for treatment centers. Emergency departments are often a first step for addicts who want to become sober. Treatment centers are in fact listed in the phone book and do have websites, so there REALLY is no reason someone can't get treatment if they want it.

The problem with putting more effort into treatment is that many people don't want treatment. Friends who have gone through rehab have had horror stories of people going through court mandated rehab and simply using it to broaden their drug network

 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, OK.

It's going to have to get a lot worse before anything changes. Unfortunately the powers that be have some seriously fucking delusional views on drug treatment. Remember, it's a crime, not a healthcare issue......

 
There is a lot of high minded bullshit in this thread. Since we in the ski community are generally a bunch of over privileged, sheltered white kids, I suggest taking a step back and looking at the realities of addiction before being so goddamn judgmental, because your self righteous proclamations are a load of uninformed twaddle.

Most people don't just decide to try some heroine. Most people that end up on the stuff start with pills, and anyone here who has had some gnarly fall skiing and gone through subsequent surgery and rehab can understand how easy that shit is to get addicted to. Your heroes Tanner and Dumont have both had pain pill problems. Once you are hooked on the pain pills, withdrawal from a heavy addiction is worse than any of you little 15 year old preachy shits can understand. So it is pretty easy to see how, once the money runs out, people switch from the expensive pharmaceutical heroine (mainly oxy and hydrocodone) to the cheaper stuff that is more potent (heroine).

There is never a point in this scenario where kids just decide that mario kart is getting boring, so maybe they'll shoot a little bit of heroine. It is an unfortunate process in which people turn to the drugs out of intense desperation that most of you cannot understand.

Obviously some people do just try heroine, but even then these people aren't necessarily morons either. Most that try the hard drugs are aware of the risks but have major fucking problems and are looking to just get some respite from their life. The skinny white chick that attempts suicide as a cry for help does it for the same reasons as many people try drugs like heroine, but she gets all the help and support in the world while the drug users are demonized as a sub-class of humans and thrown in jail.

 
whole lot of norts in this thread.

obviously nobody wakes up one day and is like "hey I think I'll try some of that heroin stuff, looks like fun"

get hurt/sick-->doctor gives you opiates (weaker,clean heroin)-->get hooked on opiates-->run out of money-->use heroin to soothe withdrawl-->heroin junky
 
thats a lie and you should seriously be fucked for saying that. You know literally shit about what happened to him if youre coming in here saying that shit and you would be fucking ashamed if you knew the truth. Fuck off with that you fucking bitch and get the fuck out
 
I do not claim to know any of the backstory to his unfortunate death, BUT the coroner said it was a heroin overdose.

"...The 22-year-old professional urban-park skier found dead in his Boulder apartment last month, died of a heroin overdose, according to a formal ruling by Boulder County Coroner Emma Hall released today.

After an autopsy and further investigation, Hall ruled that Warnick's death was accidental due to "acute heroin intoxication.""

http://www.dailycamera.com/news/boulder/ci_24796286/tom-warnick-heroin-overdose-boulder-coroner

 
IEDs, yes. WMDs, no.

Not sure why anyone would cover up a death of a skier like that unless he had some revolutionary idea that would change the world.
 
if that wasn't the real cause of death, why so hush hush about the reality of the situation? if someone said my friend died of a heroin OD and it wasn't true, i'd sure as hell try and get the truth out there to dispel the rumors.
 
Exactly. Why tarnish their reputation? Not too many cause of deaths can be worse than heroin when staying within the norm.
 
I've seen a lot of stuff about molly in this thread and I wanted to try and clear it up a bit: Molly is MDMA. However, the really shitty ecstasy you buy on the street has a very low concentration of MDMA, and is mostly other chemicals. Molly is a purified form of MDMA, it's much more concentrated and extremely potent.

That being said, it is my personal opinion that anyone who does stuff beyond smoking weed and LSD is an absolute retard. Weed and acid have basically no adverse affects, the only possible negative effect is that your lungs are inhaling smoke... Also, not a single death has ever been directly caused by either weed or acid, compared to over 125,000 deaths in the last decade caused be heroin.
 
Haha, you can't argue with idiots. Obviously it was heroine, coroners aren't part of any sort of conspiracy- it's not like they are textile manufacturers or the refrigerator repair union...
 
As far as education I'm, talking about the "drug education" out there. Everything from d.a.r.e. type programs, health class and many others telling kids bullshit regarding drugs. Def doesn't help anything.

I agree that many people do not want treatment, and that's a part of addiction, but treatment is far from free and accessible for everyone.

Also not arguing that it would prevent or stop all drug abuse or anything close to that, just that the money would be much better spent there then getting completely fucking wasted on prohibition.
 
Who the hell does Heroin? I mean really, who is so far down the shit hole they decide Heroin is finally a "good" idea. Pretty much 1 step from suicide.

Sorry your friend got caught up in all that shit.
 
Let me clear some things u as well.

Molly is SUPPOSED to be the pure form of MDMA. Generally molly has referred to the powder form of the drug while Ecstasy has referred to the drug in a pressed pill form.

You can buy amazing Molly or XTC on the street, you can also buy research chemicals posing as MDMA on the street(much more likely)

Most of the "Molly" does not even contain MDMA. It isn't a low concentration of MDMA but 0 MDMA.

Most of the shit people are doing is methylone. Also fairly common is mephedrone, straight up meth, and other drugs.

The reason so much bad shit is on the market is people are saving themselves %90 + of the cost sometimes and naive kids are buying it anyway. Also thanks to the drug war the rc's are much easier to obtain. Some of them weren't illegal till a couple years ago or still aren't illegal.

It comes down to C.R.E.A.M.

Also there's a ton of whack as shit going around these days as LSD. I haven't tripped in 4 years. Done with it. Honestly much safer with mushrooms if you know what you're looking for. Not saying there's anything wrong with LSD but you should probably have some idea where you're getting it from.
 
I know it's supposed to be pure MDMA, but I just forgot to mention that most Molly isn't. And I 100% agree, never buy drugs if you don't know the seller, they can be laced with anything these days. I've dropped acid maybe 5 times (each time safely, thankfully) but never dabbled in shrooms, it just seems sketchy to me. +K for more helpful insight... And a PSA: the first time you drop acid, do it in the morning on a preferably warm day... If you do it at night the first time it's scary as shit
 
interesting article. Vice did a piece on ibogaine on an episode of their show.

one of the main issues with opiate addiction is that once youre addicted thats it. youre addicted for the rest of your life. even if you stop using you are still addicted and still will crave it. ibogaine presents an interesting solution because it actually 'breaks' the addiction so to speak. thats not to say its not without its dangers. and since it is a ridiculously powerful hallucinogen it is a schedule 1 drug.

http://www.choosehelp.com/topics/addiction-treatment/ibogaine-for-opiate-addiction-mircale-cure-or-illegal-and-dangerous

 
With mushrooms you have something physical you can see to get a rough idea. You can't really fake them. Also people can get spore and grow them and then you really know what you have. With LSD you're kind of just buying the person. A lot of DOx's going around the last few years as well as other stuff. The if it's bitter it's a spitter rule is pretty solid. Better safe than sorry. Also always good to get it from somebody you know that has done it or get some that somebody you know(that knows LSD) has done.

Both can be awesome mind expanding experiences but you should always be cautious. Also if you're at a show sometimes it helps to look for someone that's really spun. Much less likely to buy something that's fake or an RC. I'd rather get a blank piece of blotter than an RC honestly. Worst case I wasted $10 at the most verses getting some god knows what.

Have fun, be safe
 
most important paragraph of this thread... know what you're getting into, don't be stupid, and have fun... Steve Jobs used to do loads of acid, and he was one of the greatest entrepreneurs of the 20th century. The proof I use against people who just claim everyone who does drugs goes nowhere in life.
 
Ibogaine is pretty cool stuff. I haven't researched much of the drug war in a long time especially this. Is this still highly illegal to or is this being accepted these days?

It's fucked how only drugs that can be manufactured and patented matter. It leaves plenty of room to be skeptical of some of the "research" for different cures. I'd like to think that if research turned up amazing properties in non pharmaceuticals it would be embraced, but who knows. Powerful industry with a shit ton of money at stake. I try never to jump to conclusions but I sure as fuck don't blindly trust anyone.
 
yup still highly illegal. if you can track down the vice episode about it you should. the guy who they follow around finds addicts in the US (i think hes based in NYC if i remember correctly) and flies them to a resort in Mexico to perform the treatment
 
In your first post i wasn't sure if you were retarded or just didn't know anything about the situation, but the second part of this post confirms you're a full blown retard.Is this you tacobellslayer?

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not sure how i feel about ibogaine. i know a girl who has gone through it and it did jack fuck all for her addiction. she's back to bangin' dope.

i just don't understand why there aren't better maintenance options available. i mean, sure there's methadone and suboxone, but both are pretty shitty options with far worse (read longer) withdrawals than the drug addictions they're supposed to treat.

maybe some day we'll finally see heroin maintenance treatment. or better yet, maybe some day we'll find a magical "cure" for opiate addiction.
 
I live right next to Turners, Greenfield and right off 91 and it's pretty fucked here. You can walk down the streets in Greenfield and see needles scattered about in allies and against buildings. I've seen people just fade out of school and start shooting everyday, and becoming nothing. It's really sad how bad it's gotten. It's easier to buy a bag of heroin than weed on the street
 
you already pay for methadone maintenance....which is questionably effective at best. wouldn't you rather they spent the money on something that actually works?
 
The treatment is less expensive than huge police forces plus the cost of the legal system and the prison system... You pay for it regardless but treatment is less expensive and more humane.
 
The way he is saying it makes it sound like it should be a casual drug, "opiates themselves are not detrimental to your health".
 
Glad to see a productive discussion NSG (not that NSG isn't always productive). In all seriousness this is an important issue to talk about
 
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