A conservative's look at 9/11

You mean Liberal...

Stop postin stupid videos. They are all repetitive and have been disproven many times.
 
i have seen all the penn and teller that they have online, including that epi.

here is the deal: they address the weakest points, points i dont even agree with necessarily.

and if by disproven you mean "alot of controversy in the scientific community over it"

then yes.
 
nobody has disproved the hijackers being spotted after 9/11

nobody has disproven muhammed atta on a jack abermoff casino ship

nobody has disproven the thermite theory that has photographic evidence

nobody has disproven a number of the hijackers training at united statesm military bases

nobody has disproven mossad agents photographed dancing after 9/11 in new york city( who were demolition experts in the israeli military)

nobody has addressed pnac,clean break papers or israels connection to 9.11 and what they gained

nobody has proved a plane hit the pentagon. no evidence there

nobody has explained wtc 7 other then blaming the small fires

nobody has explained atta being a mossad agent

nobody has explained the firemen hearing explosions

osama was a cia agent

 
there is so much more but you all refuse to hear any of it. and you keep saying its been disproven , guess what! IT HASENT
 
Osama was a CIA agent? Wow, I didn't think you could get anymore ignorant, but you managed. You obviously know NOTHING of his life. You really should research up on that one and find out how horribly retarded that is.

Yes, I have showed you why all of those things are not credible, you just choose not to listen. Whatever works though.

WTC 7 I have told you why probably over 5 times now. Look at that post I made with seismic activity, drywall strength, and many other good points on why it was probably brought down.

But hey, it's people like you that make me look like a genious, so I'm glad you guys exist. Everytime you post I feel smarter because I have a sense of reality and common knowledge.
 
No, no, no.

Osama's group the MAK was funded in the 80's to fight off the Russians. Osama was still in university at the time of the Cold War. He's not our ally, just a group we wanted to disperse the Russians.
 
with so much "unproven" then how do you assert so much? what about other terrorist attacks over the past 30 years? especially many that resemble that one?

much of your "evidence" is consisted of twisted words, similies, and extreme bias and hate towards the administration

I dont understand why another thread of the same exact material has to be made, when there are many, by antineoconfuckthepolicetryingtohideidentity, in existance
 
did you guys fuckin watch it? you posted 5 minutes after it was posted..you have no idea what its about or what it talks about... it rips loose change apart... its a good video.. damn stop acting like your 13..
 
watch the new south park. The government knows everything and can do whatever they want whenever they want to whoever they want. The government is basically god
 
i am saying that NO STORIES LINE UP ANYWHERE.

also, the govt fucking lies about who they funded.

and if you think the govt isnt corrupt/wouldnt deceive us then you are wrong.
 
Oh and

A bunch of people died...

I get so pissed off when all people think about is one person's life, Bush, when thousands were affected by it directly, and millions through other ways. Fuck you people think youre so liberal and shit trying to get Bush impeached but you can't look past fucking conspiracy theories. Maybe it was, but why bother worrying about it when the Government right now would have such tight fucking security preventing people from finding out about a conspiracy IF there was one.

9.11 rant for all your dumbass posts and counter-posts
 
Jesus fucking christ your a dumb fuck get the fuck off of NS you dumb ass. NOBODY PROOVED A PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON? I guess a video isn't enough proof is it? you fucking idiot. And 'Muhammed atta spotted', when they have video fo him getting on the plane, sombody said this on a different thread but I'll have ot qoute him 'He must have jumped out with a parachute or somthing'
 
I don't know who's smarter, the kid in your icon or you.

Obviously buildings are suppourted by steel, but if you had any conception of what I was talking about, you would know I was talking about cracks in the facade of the building. The facade is not made of steel. Genious, pure genious.
 
Why should I stop talking? Because I know what I'm talking about and you can't come back with a counter argument. Everytime I make a thought-processed post, you come back with a 2 word reply on it. I would love to see you contest to what I say instead of trying to hide behind pointless statements.

At least Fuckthepolice tries to contest. Although very poorly, he does try. You just don't like me because I have made you look dumb a few times, and you are holding some stupid grudge instead of trying to say "hey maybe I can learn some stuff from this guy where I'm not so sure about some things". Get real buddy, everyone can learn something from somebody.
 
Here's the truth...

We didn't directly suppourt groups in Afghanistan. We were MUCH smarter than that. Instead, we would give arms and money to Pakistan to suppourt Afghan-Arabs with. It would be bad for publication if we directly suppourted the Afghan-Arabs, so we didn't do it. We let the Saudi's and Pakistanis do the dirty work of delivering the funds, training, and weapons. How could it be written in books of foreign intelligence agents that M-16's and other American military products were found in the remains of battles?

You think we would openly come out and say we suppourted Bin Laden? Of course not.

Read up on the MAK. Read about their fighting tactics, their weapons, their history, and their members. You will see a big weapon trade between the US, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan.
 
how about this.....9/11 happend, thousands of people died. It could have been prevented, but it wasn't. Its in the past, and lets deal with the now. Right now osama bin ladin is still uncaptured, and there is a war in iraq. I think what needs to happen is that the Bush government needs to own up to their fuck ups, and try to repair them. Slowly bring the troops back from iraq, send more help to rebuild new orleans ( which in many parts is still in ruin). I think the bush administration needs to regain their focus and solve problems at hand. Osama is not important right now, 9/11 is not important now. What is happening in iraq is,and what is happening to America's own people is too.
 
well, here is the deal: 9/11 is important because alot of america feels that event justifies the war.

i think that event justifies the nation overthrowing the conservative party and keeping them out of office until the whack jobs clean up their acts.
 
ok, here is the deal: building 7 might have collapsed due to sismic activity, but it wouldnt have fallen INTO ITS PROFILE.

world trade center 7's collapse was what started to make me question the official story: the 9/11 commission report claims it was due to fires and i guess the seismic stuff, which i dont recall, but i will take your word for it.

the problem is that buildings dont fall like that.

unless they are "pulled"

demolished

which is what the owner of the WTC center said they were doing to building 7.

the HUGE PROBLEM concerning building 7's collapse makes me question the entire official story, because lying about that builing's collapse makes NO sense and you have to wonder why the brought it down and tried to act like it collapsed.
 
No, see this is the thing. The only view you have been shown by the conspiracy films is the one that was intact. When the buildings fell, the side that was facing the North Tower was significantly damaged. There were almost no walls left on that side, but of course to prove their point, conspiracists have shown you the opposite side of the building where the damage is slight. As you can also see if you watch closely, the tower collapses into a corner, and then begins to fall. If you truly watch the collapse from all angles, you will see it's nothing like a demolition.
 
Like i said... pearls before swine...

WTC 7 Collapse

CLAIM: Seven hours after the two towers fell, the 47-story WTC 7 collapsed. According to 911review.org: "The video clearly shows that it was not a collapse subsequent to a fire, but rather a controlled demolition: amongst the Internet investigators, the jury is in on this one."

FACT: Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom--approximately 10 stories--about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.

NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.

According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."

There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.

Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."

WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors--along with the building's unusual construction--were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=5

read that, and shut up.
 
umm...yeah, but 9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq. I could see people understanding why you guys went to war with afganistan, but not iraq. Iraq had absoultly nothing to do with 9/11. Nothing at all. The US went to war because it thought that Iraq was a threat, and they went on BS intel. This is what i find confusing.......Iraq goes to war with a country that was not a tactical threat at all, but when N. Korea tests nukes out.....they do nothing. There is physical proof that they were conducting tests. Everybody knew about it, but nobody did anything. Now their tests has been sucessfull, and they have a nuke. The US could have stopped that, but they did not.
 
Is it bad that I am having feelings of assasinating Condeleeza Rice, Bush, Chaney, dan Rumsfield?

I want to have a 3 hour meeting with them before I die so I can atleast know what happened it's total bullshit for the families not to know what the fuck happened to their loved ones on that day.  Fuck our administration, the only thing running in my head right now is treason.
 
i would bet my life on the fact that the plan was to move from afghanistan to iraq to iran all along.

since the beginning.

we were in and out of afghanistan SO FUCKING FAST.

and then we were going after hussein?

wtf?

iraq definitely had nothing to do with 9/11 but the bush administration still used 9/11 as leverage to get into iraq.
 
the government used 9/11 for leverage into iraq no doubt. the war is rediculous (although it would be a bad idea to end it now). however, going for iran might not be the worst idea ever; the man is a nut job. but iraq was rediculous. however, we are still in afganistan. that is by no means over as well. but it would be foolish to link the war that was fueled by 9/11 rhetoric as proof of a conspiracy by the government.
 
what i meant is that we got into afghanistan and then we were told that the threat was in iraq, or some shit like that.

i feel like i am in "1984" and i am trying to recall the deleted news.

fuck.

whatever.
 
Holy shit, that explains everything! "1984" !!!1!1! So wait, you FORGOT that we were still in Afghanistan and YOUR memory sucks, but you're saying that the news was deleted like in George Orwell?? COME ON!

You'd love to think that the mean ol´"government" is up to no good, right? No matter how incapable you think they all are, they managed to pull 9/11 off and fooled everyone but you and youtube tards?

Look, we ALL know the reasons for going to Iraq were shady at best. But don't go saying 9/11 was a conspiracy because of it, especially if you can't even recall what really happended with us in Afghanistan. That's just a bit messed up.
 
for the most part it is NATO troops on the ground in Afghanistan

all i will say is the WTC had an awful lot of BRAND NEW insurance on it RIGHT BEFORE it fell over. i just think the guy who owned it knew, as did hundreds if not thousands of other VIPs, but i do not pretend to have any idea why.
 
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