A 360° sideward rotation (barrel roll style) PLUS an extra 180° twisting rotation? How do you call this trick?

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FouDuVillage

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I posted a video of this trick and I realized it might be better to create a thread about the question I had which is : How do you call that trick?

[video]1036702[/video]

As said in the title, if it's not clear enough in the video, the trick is basically a 360° sideward rotation (Barrel Roll style) while moving forward PLUS an extra 180° twisting rotation.

I asked Reddit about it, and people mostly replied it was an underflip, but I must kindly disagree with this because to me, an underflip is mostly like a flair which is a 360° backward rotation with an overall 180° twisting rotation... Well, maybe more like 90° at the start and 90° at the end in the case of an underflip for the twisting rotation, but still you leave the jump doing a backward rotation. Here, it's a clear 360° sideward rotation.

Do we generally call that a Sideflip 180°? A Lincoln Loop 180°? A 540° Sideflip (if we add together all the angles of rotation)? Something else?
 
I'd go with**360° backward rotation with a180° rotation**. aka Abomb....i pulled an ABOMB

14414716:FouDuVillage said:
Alright. I accept the fact that I might be wrong, so if understand correctly...

These are underflips :

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx4RThWvDBF2VdFLE9JzzfhKMsm9gvIyNy

[video]1036702[/video]



And these are not underflips :

[video]https://vimeo.com/689519862[/video]

Is that correct? If so, the question becomes how do we call a 360° backward rotation with an extra 180° twisting rotation? Arabian? Backflip 180? Flair?
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I did a bit of research...

Wiktionary



Underflip: An acrobatic maneuver, initiated while in mid-air, performing a backflip by flicking one's head back over one shoulder, making the body flip underneath the board or skis.
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FIS (Fédération Internationale de Ski)



Underflip: A backflip with a frontside 180 on the y axis, opposed to the frontside cork 5 which is off axis
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Following these "offical" descriptions, this would be an underflip.

However, when we look for underflips in "the community" (a.k.a. online), there seems to be a real ambiguity about what it is. It seems that any kind of flip (except for frontflip) with an extra 180 is called "an underflip" regardless of the fact that the technique used to do a sideflip versus a backflip is completely different...

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**This post was edited on Mar 18th 2022 at 8:28:07am
 
Like I said....an abomb

14414725:FouDuVillage said:
I did a bit of research...

Wiktionary



FIS (Fédération Internationale de Ski)



Following these "offical" descriptions, this would be an underflip.

However, when we look for underflips in "the community" (a.k.a. online), there seems to be a real ambiguity about what it is. It seems that any kind of flip (except for frontflip) with an extra 180 is called "an underflip" regardless of the fact that the technique used to do a sideflip versus a backflip is completely different...

(Edit : Formatting and clarity)

**This post was edited on Mar 18th 2022 at 8:26:17am

**This post was edited on Mar 18th 2022 at 8:26:51am

**This post was edited on Mar 18th 2022 at 8:28:07am
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I think you are trying to make this more concrete than it is. Jump trick axis's vary a lot from skier to skier. That's what makes them cool. Everyone cork 3's different from one another. Many people have cork 7's that are wildly different from one another. It doesn't make it a different trick. You did an underflip, you just set it weird and it's almost at the limit of a cork5ish rotation axis. It's also really hard to claim it's something new or different without doing it on a real jump. The way you have to throw it on that jump is out of necessity to get it around, not because you invented a new trick.
 
14414758:Schoess said:
I think you are trying to make this more concrete than it is. Jump trick axis's vary a lot from skier to skier. That's what makes them cool. Everyone cork 3's different from one another. Many people have cork 7's that are wildly different from one another. It doesn't make it a different trick. You did an underflip, you just set it weird and it's almost at the limit of a cork5ish rotation axis. It's also really hard to claim it's something new or different without doing it on a real jump. The way you have to throw it on that jump is out of necessity to get it around, not because you invented a new trick.
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Just to be clear, I do not claim that this is a new trick. As you observed, I'm an amateur skier having fun trying tricks in its backyard. I set my goals, try new tricks, improve some, and enjoy!

I understand that there is this very fun level of freedom in freeskiing that makes almost every trick different. In comparison, in gymnastics, every "available trick" is precisely defined in an offical Code of Points and you're not allowed to diverge.

However, I feel that naming things (to a certain extend aka without overdoing it) have numerous advantages and that's the reason why I asked the question here. When you're new and learning tricks (as I do), having names helps you find the informations you need to try and improve the trick you have in mind (by watching tutorials, etc.). I think it's also cool to have names for things when you exchange with other riders and challenge yourselves etc. I'm not saying that we absolutly need to differenciate all the ways you can spin in any way possible, but there are some keywords (e.g. Flat vs. Cork spin) that can be helpful in all kind of situation.

Overall, I feel totally ok with the fact that sideflip/backflip motion with an extra 180 is called an "underflip". The question raised in my mind because it felt so different to me that I never thought about the fact that they could be the same trick. But in the end, I understand that for more experienced riders, it's just not important and that it might sounds like I'm trying to "make this more concrete than it is".
 
its an underflip dawg. the second trick you did is backflip 180 cause you set the rotation after the flip
 
14415059:TRVP_ANGEL said:
its an underflip dawg. the second trick you did is backflip 180 cause you set the rotation after the flip
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With all the answers I received, I conclude that they're all really "underflips". Any flip (except frontflips) with a 180 is an underflip.

For example, I did my trick again and as you can see, it's a very clear sideflip motion with a very late 180 at the end of the trick. Is this a sideflip late 180? From what I understand : No. It's still an underflip.

[video]https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/689996911[/video]
 
14415134:FouDuVillage said:
With all the answers I received, I conclude that they're all really "underflips". Any flip (except frontflips) with a 180 is an underflip.

For example, I did my trick again and as you can see, it's a very clear sideflip motion with a very late 180 at the end of the trick. Is this a sideflip late 180? From what I understand : No. It's still an underflip.

[video]https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/689996911[/video]
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I’d be willing to call that a side flip late 180. Honestly it’s hard to name tricks on small jumps because they’re so hucked. I’m sure everyone would agree more if you did these on large park jumps. Dope axis tho
 
14415134:FouDuVillage said:
With all the answers I received, I conclude that they're all really "underflips". Any flip (except frontflips) with a 180 is an underflip.

For example, I did my trick again and as you can see, it's a very clear sideflip motion with a very late 180 at the end of the trick. Is this a sideflip late 180? From what I understand : No. It's still an underflip.

[video]https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/689996911[/video]
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At least you are landing them. My loops keep turning into underflips and end up with too much momentum to stop the axis rotation

[video]https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1036834/trim-FD4F0A67-AD54-47F4-AAC6-0EA38E27229B-MOV[/video]
 
It’s still technically an underflip but you can call it a backflip late 180 if you do the 180 when you’ve almost come back around to upright
 
14415240:freestyler540 said:
At least you are landing them. My loops keep turning into underflips and end up with too much momentum to stop the axis rotation

[video]https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1036834/trim-FD4F0A67-AD54-47F4-AAC6-0EA38E27229B-MOV[/video]
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I wish I had access to a setup as cool as you!!! Real nice send! I'm sure you'll get is soon (if not already).

Personnally, I tend to always overrotate when I try to add "twists" to my flip. To compensate, I try to be more smooth with my motion on the jump (compared to a simple backflip)

Hope it helps!

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