99designs

blong131

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just found out about this site. from an entrepreneurs standpoint, it couldnt be cooler. like im so impressed by the whole concept.

but from the designers standpoint it seems like the beginning of the end. do you think with all the free information/connections available through the web, designers (graphic, web, etc) for hire will become completely obsolete, and they'll have to complete entire projects not knowing if they'll get paid in the end?

http://www.99designs.com
 
Well I'm not sure I quite like it but it is a neat idea from a entrepreneur's standpoint. I'm not going to say it's entirely bad either, because if websites like these gradually start setting a fair price for both the designers and clients it might be a win-win for everyone.

It's also for a different market audience though, established companies will still go to established professionals to do their work; look at photography for example. Everyone and their mother and pet has a camera nowadays, but you don't see photographers going away any time soon. I think there will always be a market for legitimate professionals, it's just a different market that they may need to adjust to a bit if they want to cater to that particular group.
 
elaborate? i think its the ideal situation from the person looking for design work. you get a bunch of possible designs, you can weed out the shit, and you dont have to pay to weed out the shit.
 
Here is a REALLY good thread from the graphic design forum on this topic.

http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23924

Here is an excerpt or whatever you want to call it, but it makes so much sense that these kind of freelance design sites are not needed for the graphic design industry! It doesn't harness creativity at all, in fact it probably suppresses it. Well that's my two cents, now read this guys'...



"
Graphic artists, illustrators, painters, etc., are skilled tradesmen. As

such, to consider them as, or deal with them as, anything less than

professionals fully deserving of your respect is both insulting and a

bad reflection on you as a sane, reasonable person. In short, it makes

you look like a twit.

A few things you need to know;

1. It is not a “great opportunity” for an artist to have his work seen

on your car/’zine/website/bedroom wall, etc. It IS a “great opportunity”

for YOU to have their work there.

2. It is not clever to seek a “student” or “beginner” in an attempt to

get work for free. It’s ignorant and insulting. They may be “students”,

but that does not mean they don’t deserve to be paid for their hard

work. You were a “student” once, too. Would you have taken that job at

McDonalds with no pay, because you were learning essential job skills

for the real world? Yes, your proposition it JUST as stupid.

3. The chance to have their name on something that is going to be seen

by other people, whether it’s one or one million, is NOT a valid

enticement. Neither is the right to add that work to their “portfolio”.

They get to do those things ANYWAY, after being paid as they should.

It’s not compensation. It’s their right, and it’s a given.

4. Stop thinking that you’re giving them some great chance to work. Once

they skip over your silly ad, as they should, the next ad is usually

for someone who lives in the real world, and as such, will pay them.

There are far more jobs needing these skills than there are people who

possess these skills.

5. Students DO need “experience”. But they do NOT need to get it by

giving their work away. In fact, this does not even offer them the

experience they need. Anyone who will not/can not pay them is obviously

the type of person or business they should be ashamed to have on their

resume anyway. Do you think professional contractors list the

“experience” they got while nailing down a loose step at their

grandmother’s house when they were seventeen?

If you your company or gig was worth listing as desired experience, it

would be able to pay for the services it received. The only experience

they will get doing free work for you is a lesson learned in what kinds

of scrubs they should not lower themselves to deal with.

6. (This one is FOR the artists out there, please pay attention.) Some

will ask you to “submit work for consideration”. They may even be posing

as some sort of “contest”. These are almost always scams. They will

take the work submitted by many artists seeking to win the “contest”, or

be “chosen” for the gig, and find what they like most. They will then

usually have someone who works for them, or someone who works incredibly

cheap because they have no originality or talent of their own,

reproduce that same work, or even just make slight modifications to it,

and claim it as their own. You will NOT be paid, you will NOT win the

contest. The only people who win, here, are the underhanded folks who

run these ads. This is speculative, or “spec”, work. It’s risky at best,

and a complete scam at worst. I urge you to avoid it, completely. For

more information on this subject, please visit www.no-spec.com.

So to artists/designers/illustrators looking for work, do everyone a

favor, ESPECIALLY yourselves, and avoid people who do not intend to pay

you. Whether they are “spec” gigs, or just some guy who wants a free

mural on his living room walls. They need you. You do NOT need them.

And for those who are looking for someone to do work for free… please

wake up and join the real world. The only thing you’re accomplishing is

to insult those with the skills you need. Get a clue."
 
That's a great snippet you pasted over hurrrr.
It's really hard for people in the "art" world I guess if you call it. People take your stuff for granted so much, I have such a hard time getting people to pay for work rather than just giving away product or saying hey, we'll put your name on it...
It's really tough to break that line, I am sure some kids on here have experience with what I am talking about.
Seems like people lessen their appreciation of art less and less every year...
 
Well you get what you pay for. A good coporate identity for a mediocre sized company will cost you a minimum of 5000-10000€.

You get a custom well thought out identity that caters towards your clientel though.

Now if you go and write a short brief, put it up on 99designs with the intention to pay 250$ for a logo, well..

First of all a logo alone doesn't really help. No website, no business cards, no paper to send formal letters, no nothing.

Of course you can now plaster the logo all over these things. But it'll look like shit.

You are better of getting all this done at once from one agency/person.

Second of all, if the designer only knows your website and your short brief he doesn't know shit really. The logo he produces won't be to good because he doesn't really know anything about your company. Therefore he can't let these influences take part in the design process. You will most likely get a stock logo.

Third, the low prices attract bad designers who make mistakes that you don't want in your design/logo. The kerning could be fucked, things could be not alined etc.

The thing is: You won't notice. You will choose whatever you think has a catchy idea and looks cool (think web 2.0) but your logo won't really look good. And your clientel will not be impressed.

The thing is, a logo isn't just a little cute picture. It is a well thought out thing that should instantly be associated with your company. It also goes hand in hand with the rest of the outer appearance.

Excuse my bad english, I am german and writing this wasn't to easy due to all the specific terms and words.

PS: I just started out as a design student, after doing an internship for 5 months at an agency. therefore I know a bit about these processes.

 
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