9 Year Old Girl Accidentally Kills Instructor With Uzi

[las.]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...oting-instructor-with-Uzi-submachine-gun.html

That poor girl - the death of some fool on her shoulders because of her parents' and the instructors complete neglect, incompetence, and lack of common sense.

Also, I thought guns didn't kill people? I'm all for people's freedom to act in whatever civil way they like, but what you need to realize, America, is that there is a difference between freedom and licence. Can someone here give me logical reasoning why a 9 year old girl should learn to shoot an uzi, or any sub-machine gun?

 

[.Hugo.]

Yes, a 9 year old girl should never shoot an automatic weapon. But that does not mean guns should be banned all together. You just need to use common sense in these types of situations.

That being said here comes another shitstorm of a thread

 

[Titus69]

I support our gun rights and hope that our 2nd amendment lives long but I dont support guns when theyre in the hands of someone incapable of keeping control because of age or handicapped reasons. I feel bad for everyone involved in this.

 

[gapersarefriends]

i'm all for hunting and shooting clay pigeons and shit, but there's no reason why any weapons other than your standard rifle/shotgun/pistol should be allowed for civilian use.

when the fuck is this girl or her parents ever going to need an uzi? when will someone living in suburbia, USA need a bushwhacker assault rifle?

all this assault rifle/automatic weapon bullshit needs to be outlawed for civilian use

 

[las.]

Yes, a 9 year old girl should never shoot an automatic weapon. But that does not mean guns should be banned all together. You just need to use common sense in these types of situations.

That being said here comes another shitstorm of a thread

Having common sense is essential for using a gun, but the problem here is that, as we've seen, it is obviously not a prerequisite for buying or owning one. How do we get around that?

 

[987321654hgfd]

Blame the parents.

 

[WPoch]

Man I feel so bad for that girl right now.... she just scarred her whole childhood and future and will probably have the worst life experience after this.

Also sucks for the dude too

 

[Phil-X-]

Blame the parents.

 

[Jeebus.]

anon is fucked

 

[kung_powpow]

9 year old girls should not be allowed to shoot uzis. period. And I'm pro gun

 

[b-kul]

i'm all for hunting and shooting clay pigeons and shit, but there's no reason why any weapons other than your standard rifle/shotgun/pistol should be allowed for civilian use.

when the fuck is this girl or her parents ever going to need an uzi? when will someone living in suburbia, USA need a bushwhacker assault rifle?

all this assault rifle/automatic weapon bullshit needs to be outlawed for civilian use

this exactly. even if people want a hand gun for self defense I'm fine with it. but who needs a weapon like that? people seem to forget what prompted the right to bear arms and just what kind of guns were available. i doubt our founding fathers intended that to cover sub machine guns.

 

[roddy116]

yeah your clearly not strong at the age of 9 to control an uzi.

 

[spliff.Life]

Wonder if this would be any different had she been a he?

 

[skiersupreme]

so fucked. its still a mystery to me why she would ever need to own/use a fully automatic gun

 

[remove]

who thought putting an uzi in the hands of a 9 year old would be a good idea? full grown men have trouble keeping control of that thing

 

[howlongcanausern]

guns are out of control in this country

 

[GayWolf420]

dumb fucking parents, holy shit. what kind of person thinks its okay for a 9 year old to learn how to shoot with an uzi? aren't you supposed to start them off with .22 hunting rifles and shit? i dont know anything about guns, but i know little kids shouldn't be fucking around with guns like that. now we have a dead guy and a little girl with serious PTSD most likely.

 

[JAHpow]

Parents fault for letting their daughter handle the firearm. Instructors fault for going along with it.

 

[AT-AT]

Yes, a 9 year old girl should never shoot an automatic weapon. But that does not mean guns should be banned all together. You just need to use common sense in these types of situations.

That being said here comes another shitstorm of a thread

Hugo nailing it right off the bat.

 

[deleted5]

Hugo nailing it right off the bat.

no I think he completely missed the point, I'm not exactly sure how we worded it, but using logic and reason in a situation when it comes to guns isn't an appropriate answer. as I've said a million times before we need to make sure someone is competent enough to have that weapon before they shoot it. it's a huge problem in this country if people think its ok for a 9 year old can shoot an automatic weapon if a guy is standing next to her. Also let's not forget all the home with kids where gun accidents have happene. Those parents should be held responsible for being so irresponsible with their firearms. prove you're compatint enough to have guns then buy all the guns you want.

 

[theabortionator]

I don't want to be a douche and say "that's what you get for giving a 9 year old girl an uzi" but that's what you get for giving a 9 year old girl an uzi.

What the fuck is this shit. I'm all for gun ownership, I don't think we need to ban automatic weapons but jesus fucking christ people. Have some common sense.

I mean sweet jebus, if you're not even old enough to get in to see a pg 13 movie or play rated teen video games you shouldn't be allowed to fuck around with an uzi. Solid fucking parenting right there.

 

[HolySchimmel]

the fact that it was an uzi just makes it worse, but I don't see any reason for a 9 year old to shoot ANY gun. I mean I'm all for self defense and your right and so on but come on, parents giving their kids guns like that is just wrong.

 

[gapersarefriends]

this exactly. even if people want a hand gun for self defense I'm fine with it. but who needs a weapon like that? people seem to forget what prompted the right to bear arms and just what kind of guns were available. i doubt our founding fathers intended that to cover sub machine guns.

when the framers of the constitution created the bill of rights, there is not a chance in hell that they meant for 9 year olds with uzis blowing people's heads off.

if automatic weapons were outlawed this wouldn't have happened

 

[k-rob]

guns are sweet if you can point them in the right direction. unfortunately seems they always end up in the wrong hands.

 

[theabortionator]

the fact that it was an uzi just makes it worse, but I don't see any reason for a 9 year old to shoot ANY gun. I mean I'm all for self defense and your right and so on but come on, parents giving their kids guns like that is just wrong.

9 might be borderline but in a lot of hunting families the children start shooting guns at a young age. Maybe a .22 to start and then get into shotguns and whatnot.

when the framers of the constitution created the bill of rights, there is not a chance in hell that they meant for 9 year olds with uzis blowing people's heads off.

if automatic weapons were outlawed this wouldn't have happened

Automatic weapons aren't the problem. Yes if it wasn't an automatic happen this particular situation probably wouldn't have happened but you're placing the blame in the wrong place. If a 9 year old get's in a car and runs a few people over you don't blame the car. We don't allow 9 year olds to drive for a reason. We have laws and or common sense regarding that. The same applies here. Giving a child an automatic weapon is fucking retarded. You don't need to ban the weapon just don't fucking give it to kids.

I don't even own on gun or care if I shoot anything anymore. I just hate the idea of the blame always being on objects. If you fall off your bike it's the bikes fault, if you suck at driving and crash it's the cars fault, if you fall off a cliff clearly the cliff shouldn't have been there.

People just need to take some fucking responsibility for their actions. If you're a parent that's all the more necessary. We have all the information in the world at our finger tips yet people these days are morons.

You can't legislate away stupidity.

 

[theabortionator]

the fact that it was an uzi just makes it worse, but I don't see any reason for a 9 year old to shoot ANY gun. I mean I'm all for self defense and your right and so on but come on, parents giving their kids guns like that is just wrong.

9 might be borderline but in a lot of hunting families the children start shooting guns at a young age. Maybe a .22 to start and then get into shotguns and whatnot.

when the framers of the constitution created the bill of rights, there is not a chance in hell that they meant for 9 year olds with uzis blowing people's heads off.

if automatic weapons were outlawed this wouldn't have happened

Automatic weapons aren't the problem. Yes if it wasn't an automatic happen this particular situation probably wouldn't have happened but you're placing the blame in the wrong place. If a 9 year old get's in a car and runs a few people over you don't blame the car. We don't allow 9 year olds to drive for a reason. We have laws and or common sense regarding that. The same applies here. Giving a child an automatic weapon is fucking retarded. You don't need to ban the weapon just don't fucking give it to kids.

I don't even own on gun or care if I shoot anything anymore. I just hate the idea of the blame always being on objects. If you fall off your bike it's the bikes fault, if you suck at driving and crash it's the cars fault, if you fall off a cliff clearly the cliff shouldn't have been there.

People just need to take some fucking responsibility for their actions. If you're a parent that's all the more necessary. We have all the information in the world at our finger tips yet people these days are morons.

You can't legislate away stupidity.

 

[.Hugo.]

no I think he completely missed the point, I'm not exactly sure how we worded it, but using logic and reason in a situation when it comes to guns isn't an appropriate answer. as I've said a million times before we need to make sure someone is competent enough to have that weapon before they shoot it. it's a huge problem in this country if people think its ok for a 9 year old can shoot an automatic weapon if a guy is standing next to her. Also let's not forget all the home with kids where gun accidents have happene. Those parents should be held responsible for being so irresponsible with their firearms. prove you're compatint enough to have guns then buy all the guns you want.

You didnt say anything in that paragraph that disputes what I said...... well at least I dont think you did. I bet that 9 year old could type out a more comprehensible post

 

[270on420out]

Why do Americans have such a strong fetish for assault rifles. When the fuck are you going to need one.

 

[.Hugo.]

Why do Americans have such a strong fetish for assault rifles. When the fuck are you going to need one.

An uzi is not an assault rifle, neither are ar15s even though everyone against guns and the media love to call them that

 

[TurquoiseGrizzly]

I saw this on the news last night.

Never in a million years should a 9 year old be holding a military weapon. Why would you even offer? Can't press charges either. Only thing that us being done is workers comp because he was on the job.

 

[Barefootin_Fiend]

I don't mean to speak ill of the dead, but this is 1000% the instructor's fault and could have been completely avoided. The magazine should have only had 2 or 3 rounds in it for her first experience with full auto to help acclimate her to the muzzle jump with repetitive fire. The issue isn't that the gun is SO powerful that she just wasn't capable of controlling it. The standard Uzi shoots a 9mm round, which isn't particularly large. You'll notice that on the single shot, there wasn't a huge kick. She, like damn near every single person who shoots an auto the first time, just wasn't prepared for the jump that comes with the full auto fire option. By only starting with a couple of rounds, she would have gradually received that exposure without the gun firing 25 rounds completely out of control.

It's a very unfortunate thing that happened and could have been completely avoided with proper safety procedures. I thought this was damn near the standard practice when learning to fire a full auto weapon, but apparently not. I suppose it could be due to the fact that this gun range is more of a tourist attraction there to make money, than it is there to actually educate and train proper firearm safety.

I suppose that they bear some of the responsibility for this as well then. They should mandate more stringent safety procedures for their instructors and customers.

 

[KravtZ]

Shit happens. It was an accident and things like this are more or less rare. Obviously the parents as well as the instructor were being negligent which led to the killing. He was standing in the wrong place. A 9 year old shouldn't be firing an UZI anyways. Start her off on something appropriate. The recoil should have been obvious problem to deal with. He was standing in a bad spot also way to close to the barrel.

 

[dmski]

I don't mean to speak ill of the dead, but this is 1000% the instructor's fault and could have been completely avoided. The magazine should have only had 2 or 3 rounds in it for her first experience with full auto to help acclimate her to the muzzle jump with repetitive fire. The issue isn't that the gun is SO powerful that she just wasn't capable of controlling it. The standard Uzi shoots a 9mm round, which isn't particularly large. You'll notice that on the single shot, there wasn't a huge kick. She, like damn near every single person who shoots an auto the first time, just wasn't prepared for the jump that comes with the full auto fire option. By only starting with a couple of rounds, she would have gradually received that exposure without the gun firing 25 rounds completely out of control.

It's a very unfortunate thing that happened and could have been completely avoided with proper safety procedures. I thought this was damn near the standard practice when learning to fire a full auto weapon, but apparently not. I suppose it could be due to the fact that this gun range is more of a tourist attraction there to make money, than it is there to actually educate and train proper firearm safety.

I suppose that they bear some of the responsibility for this as well then. They should mandate more stringent safety procedures for their instructors and customers.

Couldn't agree more! I think guns, with the right training, are a fun experience but I don't personally own or shoot that often. When I spoke with a friend who is an instructor, he says he only ever loads 1 round in the chamber of a gun like this for beginners for the reason exactly depicted in the video. Anyone who is everyone that has never shot a semi auto/auto before could easily have this happen to them since it is a bit of a surprise. Hell, I was at a range with a girl who could barely hold her arms up much less hold a handgun and before she shot I was sure to put only 1 round in to see if she could handle it and work our way up from there.

I can't even imagine how she feels at this point, not to mention how badly this will mess with her life...

 

[louie.mirags]

Haven't they ever heard of a ruger 10/22? That should be sufficient at least until she is 12

 

[theBearJew]

There is no logical reason why a 9 year old needs to be shooting an Uzi. I can kind of understand you want your kids to be around guns? Well I can't really, but lets say you do. Give her a .22 rifle? Something not semi-automatic. I wouldn't even put a pistol into my future 9 year olds hand.

 

[deleted5]

You didnt say anything in that paragraph that disputes what I said...... well at least I dont think you did. I bet that 9 year old could type out a more comprehensible post

Attacking my grammar and sentence structure and not the actual point of the post. 5/10 ok defense why don't you try addressing my post.

 

[louie.mirags]

no I think he completely missed the point, I'm not exactly sure how we worded it, but using logic and reason in a situation when it comes to guns isn't an appropriate answer. as I've said a million times before we need to make sure someone is competent enough to have that weapon before they shoot it. it's a huge problem in this country if people think its ok for a 9 year old can shoot an automatic weapon if a guy is standing next to her. Also let's not forget all the home with kids where gun accidents have happene. Those parents should be held responsible for being so irresponsible with their firearms. prove you're compatint enough to have guns then buy all the guns you want.

com·pe·tent

Attacking my grammar and sentence structure and not the actual point of the post. 5/10 ok defense why don't you try addressing my post.

You are questioning how competent people are while misspelling the word

lol

 

[.Hugo.]

Attacking my grammar and sentence structure and not the actual point of the post. 5/10 ok defense why don't you try addressing my post.

I didnt disagree with anything you said... you said i was completely wrong and then didnt state why I was wrong. Thats all I was saying. Youre always so damn defensive

 

[Dwarftosser1]

I shot my first automatic weapon at age 13 or so, it was an AR which of course with the longer barrel is much easier to control but was still a handful. The instructor was extremely attentive, stood behind me, and made sure I was confident with the gun and knew how to fire in bursts before he put in an entire mag. Shooting fully auto is not an easy thing to do as an adult let alone a teenager, to put a little girl in that position is just retarded. Tragic, but both parties are at fault, the parents should have never put their kid in that situation and the instructor should have known better, it cost him his life.

 

[macavity]

this exactly. even if people want a hand gun for self defense I'm fine with it. but who needs a weapon like that? people seem to forget what prompted the right to bear arms and just what kind of guns were available. i doubt our founding fathers intended that to cover sub machine guns.

sorry for this long-ass post, I'm busy not paying attention in anthropology....

the thing is, if you are competent and have enough common sense to own one gun, there is no reason you shouldn't be allowed to own a million of any type. it's not the gun, it's the person behind it. yes, there are plenty of people who shouldn't be allowed to own guns. but if you are smart enough to be able to use it properly and not shoot anyone, why shouldn't you be allowed to own whatever kind you want?

also, fully automatic weapons are much harder to come by than the media puts out and people want to believe. it seems like people think any idiot can just easily come by a fully automatic assault rifle. yes, you can buy them legally, but I can assure you almost any fully automatic weapon used in a shooting was not legally attained. legal automatics run for ridiculous amounts of money, AK-47's and M-16's are around $15,000 last time I checked, and a MAC-10 or MAC-11 will run you between $5000-$8000 (MAC's were made in mass production before the automatic weapon ban of 1986, hence why they are cheaper. also, apparently they are a bitch to shoot.) and no, you can't just "make" a semiauto fully automatic. I won't get into the mechanics, but without professional machining it is damn near impossible.

automatic weapons are also, in my opinion, much less dangerous than a semiautomatic. I know that sounds retarded at first glance, but hear me out. with an automatic weapon, you are completely out of ammunition in MAYBE 5 seconds (I don't know at which the speed a automatic empties it's magazine, but I assure you it's incredibly fast.) also, fully automatic weapons are incredibly less accurate than a semiautomatic is. I've read that the military trains their soldiers to keep automatic firing to bursts of three. automatic fire is more for cover fire and not actual target firing. the kick from firing fully automatic makes it damn near impossibly for an untrained civilian to fire accurately in the slightest. semiautomatic allows you the time between each shot to adjust and control recoil. so yes, automatics fire more bullets, but they aren't nearly as accurate. I've heard some gun enthusiasts state they would rather be shot at by an automatic than a semiauto. ammo is also very expensive and makes owning and shooting an automatic very difficult to do often.

I do believe we as americans should have every right to own the guns we want, but I'm not saying there shouldn't be steps to ensuring the wrong people don't end up with them. that includes licenses, background checks, etc., but the solution isn't calling guns evil or banning everything. automatics are much less dangerous, scary, and common than the media or the general population would like to believe.

TL;DR: guns are only as dangerous as the person behind them and automatics are not scary evil things.

 

[deleted5]

I didnt disagree with anything you said... you said i was completely wrong and then didnt state why I was wrong. Thats all I was saying. Youre always so damn defensive

if you read my post again I clearly stated to handle an automatic weapon you need to have more than logic and reasoning before handing it over to someone.

 

[b-kul]

sorry for this long-ass post, I'm busy not paying attention in anthropology....

the thing is, if you are competent and have enough common sense to own one gun, there is no reason you shouldn't be allowed to own a million of any type. it's not the gun, it's the person behind it. yes, there are plenty of people who shouldn't be allowed to own guns. but if you are smart enough to be able to use it properly and not shoot anyone, why shouldn't you be allowed to own whatever kind you want?

also, fully automatic weapons are much harder to come by than the media puts out and people want to believe. it seems like people think any idiot can just easily come by a fully automatic assault rifle. yes, you can buy them legally, but I can assure you almost any fully automatic weapon used in a shooting was not legally attained. legal automatics run for ridiculous amounts of money, AK-47's and M-16's are around $15,000 last time I checked, and a MAC-10 or MAC-11 will run you between $5000-$8000 (MAC's were made in mass production before the automatic weapon ban of 1986, hence why they are cheaper. also, apparently they are a bitch to shoot.) and no, you can't just "make" a semiauto fully automatic. I won't get into the mechanics, but without professional machining it is damn near impossible.

automatic weapons are also, in my opinion, much less dangerous than a semiautomatic. I know that sounds retarded at first glance, but hear me out. with an automatic weapon, you are completely out of ammunition in MAYBE 5 seconds (I don't know at which the speed a automatic empties it's magazine, but I assure you it's incredibly fast.) also, fully automatic weapons are incredibly less accurate than a semiautomatic is. I've read that the military trains their soldiers to keep automatic firing to bursts of three. automatic fire is more for cover fire and not actual target firing. the kick from firing fully automatic makes it damn near impossibly for an untrained civilian to fire accurately in the slightest. semiautomatic allows you the time between each shot to adjust and control recoil. so yes, automatics fire more bullets, but they aren't nearly as accurate. I've heard some gun enthusiasts state they would rather be shot at by an automatic than a semiauto. ammo is also very expensive and makes owning and shooting an automatic very difficult to do often.

I do believe we as americans should have every right to own the guns we want, but I'm not saying there shouldn't be steps to ensuring the wrong people don't end up with them. that includes licenses, background checks, etc., but the solution isn't calling guns evil or banning everything. automatics are much less dangerous, scary, and common than the media or the general population would like to believe.

TL;DR: guns are only as dangerous as the person behind them and automatics are not scary evil things.

i agree, its the person not the gun. in a perfect world automatic weapons would be fine but far to often they get in the wrong hands. I'm not against gun ownership but i have heard no compelling reason anyone needs to own an automatic weapon.

 

[IKEA]

i agree, its the person not the gun. in a perfect world automatic weapons would be fine but far to often they get in the wrong hands. I'm not against gun ownership but i have heard no compelling reason anyone needs to own an automatic weapon.

In a perfect world, why the hell would you need automatic weapons? Having automatic weapons is doomed from the beginning to go wrong I cannot see the point of having them. Unless zombie apocalypse or war.

 

[Toaster-Tony]

guns are out of control in this country

The topic of guns is out of control in this country

 

[macavity]

i agree, its the person not the gun. in a perfect world automatic weapons would be fine but far to often they get in the wrong hands. I'm not against gun ownership but i have heard no compelling reason anyone needs to own an automatic weapon.

no one NEEDS an automatic weapon, I'm not disagreeing with that at all. but no one NEEDS a high end car, a large house, or even an iphone either. think about it; america is built on owning the unnecessary. if we are talking necessity, everyone should be driving a prius, eating rice and beans and taking a multivitamin, and living in a single bedroom apartment with one toilet. but we like to have hobbies and nice things. for some people, it's cars. for some people, it's technology. for some people, it's skiing (although I have to say that skiing is pretty damn necessary for everyone on this site. just an example though.)

I totally agree that they are unnecessary, and I will probably never own one due to the cost and lack of practicality, but I don't think that should be a reason to ban them. like I said, they are actually a lot less dangerous than popular opinion likes to think. as long as someone is competent I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to own a full auto weapon, regardless of how unnecessary it is.

 

[J.D.]

And in today's news, do not give a loaded uzi to a nine year old.

 

[macavity]

sorry for the dub post, but I also am a firm believer that banning full automatics would not stop any of the violence committed with them. I am sure they are easy enough to come by illegally, and all the ban would end up achieving is keeping the right people from being able to legally own them. I doubt many of the shootings involving full automatic weapons were licensed, legally purchased, and registered weapons.

 

[deleted5]

sorry for the dub post, but I also am a firm believer that banning full automatics would not stop any of the violence committed with them. I am sure they are easy enough to come by illegally, and all the ban would end up achieving is keeping the right people from being able to legally own them. I doubt many of the shootings involving full automatic weapons were licensed, legally purchased, and registered weapons.

Yeah a ban on automatic weapons would definitely reduce the number of automatic weapons out in the streets. The only problem is people think it'll happen magically overnight, it'll definitely reduce it but it'll take probably 10 years to do so. I think people should register they're guns like they do with a car, and if it somehow falls into the wrong hands and it's not reported you should be held liable for the damage done with it. hold people responsible for owning firearms, and then I have no problem giving anyone any gun they want.

 

[Charlie_Kelly]

sorry for the dub post, but I also am a firm believer that banning full automatics would not stop any of the violence committed with them. I am sure they are easy enough to come by illegally, and all the ban would end up achieving is keeping the right people from being able to legally own them. I doubt many of the shootings involving full automatic weapons were licensed, legally purchased, and registered weapons.

Yeah, all you have to do is look at Chicago...

 

[saskskier]

sorry for the dub post, but I also am a firm believer that banning full automatics would not stop any of the violence committed with them. I am sure they are easy enough to come by illegally, and all the ban would end up achieving is keeping the right people from being able to legally own them. I doubt many of the shootings involving full automatic weapons were licensed, legally purchased, and registered weapons.

Except for that time when a 9 year old girl shot and killed her instructor? I feel like a ban on auto's may have prevented that one...

 

[raymondcabral]

Wonder if this would be any different had she been a he?

Nope. theres no way any normal sized 9 year old can control an uzi. Why the hell is she even shooting it anyway? I blame the parents