"9/11 was an inside job"

THEY WEAR IT BECAUSE ITS THEIR RELIGION

If they hate it so much why the fuck do you think when they migrate to another country they continue to wear it. Because allah, their god, told them to do so. Its a fucking choice. Its also a sign of modesty, so men dont look at them like objects. Muslims see other muslims who wear burka's and hijabs as dignified women with high self esteem.

The ONLY country i could find with a law where you have to wear a burqa is kuwait. Afghan doesnt even have that law anymore. But even if they did, like i said its a sing of their faith. It s not degrading by any means but actually very respectable of women.

Exactly, CONSIDER, i odnt necesarily think it was an inside job but im not dismissing it. Like i said before i think there are good arguments on both sides.
 
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this isn't exactly legal either but they get away with it (by the way there's more information on this if you RESEARCH). in this case it was for the greater good, but it happens all the time for women who don't fall in line. look, no one has agreed with you and you have yet to provide anything other than your opinion and fucking stupid generalizations to support you. the question is now, why do you still pretend that you know what you're talking about when you're mental capacity is clearly somewhere between a racist and a gold fish?
 
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why because i said some facts about the muslim religion?

Sorry for not wanting to attack a whole religion and clearing up common misconceptions about it.

Or is all the hate because i said the US has a bad education system? Probably that seeing as most of you are americans.

Im not trying to hate on the US i juest learnt that among develpoed countrys the US has one of the worst education systems. Not one to just take one persons word for it i researched myself and sure enough the education system did score fairly low compared to others.
 
just because american grade school math averages are lower than most others doesn't mean shit about anything you are talking about. take a class on how to form a proper argument and you'd learn this but i highly doubt in your abilities to get into a college. yes you did state some facts but you've also posted numerous false, insanely stupid, assumed and overall generalized bullshit as well. no matter how much we point that out, you seem to completely ignore that in order to do... whatever the fuck gets you hard, who knows. but at the end of the day, you haven't researched shit and i feel that i can speak for canada in saying, you suck.
 
My opinion? All that shit i posted earlier about the muslim religion was not an opinion it was the truth. WHat generalizations did i make and what do you want me to proove. Give me specifics and ill back myself up on them.

Also i wouldnt exactly call myself a racist, id say out of either of us its definetly you who is racist.

Now about the honour killing, congradualtions you finally made a good argument. Its about time.

Yes honour killings are pretty fucked up. Yes they often happen in muslim countries (but also alot in the hindu religion aswell) But again there is nothing in the quaran that permits or allows honour killings. The quaran preaches equality between men and women.

 
Im the one who cant form an argument. Thats a laugh considering you didnt hit me back with a valad point until just recently. Everything prior to that was saying i was stupid. Sick argument bro.
 
Or if they didn't want to wear it their psycho fuckhead husbands make them wear it.

Girls get KILLED by their fathers because they become too "westernized" in western countries.
 
we don't call the IRA terrorists for one thing...

and in their case, they are fighting for independence and freedom. Not for the sake of Catholicism. It is a big and important factor, but not the driving reason behind all of it.

Oh and they've been pretty much inactive for more than decade now anyway.
 
i don't think those kind of points get through to him... you know like the conspiracy nuts. i honestly believe he doesn't have a grip on anything aside from what his grade school teacher and google search is telling him. pathetic.
 
And bringing up the IRA is KINDA relevant as even though I don't think the States consider them terrorists the UK does (not completely sure on that one)... too bad they haven't done much other than blow up a random car now and again in almost 10 years.

Too bad we couldn't get the Chechens to go hunt down their annoying stupid Islamic brothers. I am sure they would do an epicly awesome job.
 
ah personally i wouldn't fuck with any of them. think of it, they've been at war for decades now, a large amount of people growing up only know war (not everyone, of course), but they all know how to survive and protect themselves in some of the most hospitable areas on earth. they are some bad ass mother fuckers despite their lack of current tech. there is no way in hell, short of nuking them, that anyone could beat them including the chechnyans. hell they beat russia with only minimal help from the US which is a mirror image of the vietnamese kicking our asses. as awesome as our tech. and others is, home field advantage takes that all away... almost.
 
Very good point.

I say we take Delta Force, the SEALs, IRA, Recon Marines, and Chechens... that may finish the job. Throw in the Rangers and Airborne and the Air Force Special Forces trauma medics too for good measure.
 
And everyone is saying i over generalize. Of course this is true in some cases but do you really think the average muslim family, especially ones in western cultures, are extremists like that?

Everyone is just assuming that the majority of women do it out of fear. Ever think that the majority do it becausethey want to. Lets just say that there is no more taliban (the main reason for opression of muslin women, not the islam religion itself) and no more threat of consequence if they dont wear hijabs or burqas in muslim countries. Do you really think they would all just stop?

Islam is now the most popular religion in the world. More and more people convert to it everyday. Do you think women would do this if wearing a hijab was forced, perhaps they like what it stands for, Not to mention muslims pray 5 times a day and if they have enough faith to do that im pretty sure wearing the hijab is more part of there religion than it is an obligation.

That being said yes i do realize the social pressure muslim women face to wear garments like those but i still think its more out of faith to their religion than anything.

Look at jews in isreal afterall(especially hasidic and orthodox jews). Their arent any laws or threats of honour killings that force them to wear their religious garments but they still wear them. Things like kippahs, prayer shawl (tallis), finger wraps..i think theyre called tizits or something, and grow long side burns (among other distinct dress)
 
how in any way shape or form am i a conspiracy nut. Im not arguing anything about an inside job or anything. Your the pathetic one, honestly its like nothing gets through to you. Its fucked.

Lets take a look at what ive been arguing, then lets take into account you just called me a consiracy nut. So in other words facts about the quaran are a conspiracy...? or are you saying that the islamic religion is a conspiracy?

Btw yes i know the IRA has been dorment for 10 years. That doesnt really make it irrelevant. Especially considering that 9-11 (the threads topic) happened just about ten years ago...

Besides i wasnt comparing the IRA to the taliban in any other way other than the fact that we dont single out religion when talking about the IRA. IRA was the first group that came to my mind so thats why i posted them
 
there you go again comparing shit that cannot be compared.IRA terrorism was political - never did they ascribe theirmission to Catholicism. Shit, in their earlier days they were attacking Catholics.So we call them what they were and what they were about: political terrorists.They had political motives, and used force and destruction to get their way.Is it any coincidence there have been Muslim separatists Thailand (I useMuslim separatists because the basis for trying to succeed is based on theirIslamic faith) blowing all kinds of shit up? Or all kinds of shit going on in Indonesia, with the exclamation point being the Jakarta bombing in '03 and on Baliin '02. Or Malaysia? Or just all that shit that has been going on by littlefactions and the big jemaah islamiyah? I'm thinking we cannot make anyassumption based on religion here because of the "facts" youprovided. Wait, what were your facts? You didn't provide shit. Just a bunch ofegotistical, and nonsensical, bullshit.What about in India? You could prescribe a lot ofthe violence to the dispute over Kashmir, but mostof the big acts were not. Mumbai (twice), Jaipur, Ahmehabad...Western China has itsinstances of groups using attacks for separation by way of Islamic catalyst. Xinjiangprovince has had its share of shit for about two decades. But I'm sure youlearned that in your vastly superior Canadian education. Or did you read thatone book?Turkey - Istanbul bombings, fourof them. You have some issues with the Kurds, so there is some ambiguity as towho did them (except the '03 bombings).Israel -no need to provide an exhaustive list of the shit going down in the Levant. People get caught up in "Palestinian conflict"but the fact remains, they're have been innumerous terrorist attacks. Andessentially all come as an Islamic reprimand against Israel. Shit, they've had nearly1,000 Palestinian bombers alone over the past two decades. That doesn't includethe myriad of others from other groups, or larger attacks of the non-suicidalbomber variety.Egypt- holy fuck. That has been going on much longer than you or I have been alive.Basically all are some holy fight, attacking Westerners, Western"sympathizers," Western interests, Christians, or just people to geta death toll. Massacre at the Temple of Hatshepsut. '04 bombing at resorts on the Sinai. -'05 bombing in resorty Sharm el-Sheikh. Bombing less than a monthago at a church. Not indicative of anything Islamic.Lybia - well, you know, those Libyans are all peacefulnowadays unlike back in the day when the game was fierce, so we can't includethem.
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al-Megrahi not getting a hero's welcome at all.Madridin 2004. Was it the Basques? They usually claim their shit, so probably not. London in 2005?Black September was aight. But Islam had nothing to do withtheir motives. Oh wait a second...The barracks bombing in '83, Tyrebombings in '83 and '84, in Beirutwould suggest... Buddhist militants? Nah. Hezbollah?Bombings at US Embassies in Kenyaand Tanzaniain 1998. Who was responsible?The list just seems to go on.2000 could have seen some "fireworks" in LA ifRessam wasn't caught here in Washington.How about that guy in Times Square earlierthis year with that botched car bomb? That kid in Oregon? Been to Copenhagen recently?How about the other innumerable foiled plots that could makeany list nearly double? That doesn't mean shit, right? They must just be randomacts by a few radicals. Nothing hints to Islam here. That, or the one world governmentcreated them to scare people.
 
And you have stats that tell you that the majority of women do it cause they want to, not cause they were required to?

Also, it isn't the Taliban it's Islam in the Middle East almost all women are required to wear a veil (Qatar, Lebanon, and I think Syria or Jordan are some of the only one that aren't essentially required to). Look at the biggest Muslim nation on Earth though (per capita) of Indonesia.. they aren't required and almost no women wear one unless they have moved there from elsewhere.

My dad, who worked for 35 years in the Persian Gulf (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Lebanon mostly) and Indonesia on merchant ships heard a saying from a Muslim friend of his:

"The malfunctioning Muslim mind"
 
uh do you understand that the taliban is in Afghamistan exclusively? Also do you know the differences between shiites, and sunni's?

Do you know the difference between the iranian islamic state and the Saudi Arabian Islamic state?

Start learning bout that please, and get back to me about how people in iran feel about strict sharia law?

 
There are plenty better groups to choose (like the Hindu terrorists in India that bomb Buddhist temples and shit or Muslim mosques) as the IRA was never a religious terrorist group like many of the Jihad groups are.

Next time think before going with what comes to mind first.
 
ok this is the last time i respond to you...

1. aside from ignorant idiots, no one believes that western cultures are all extremists. get that through your fucking head.

2. yes, the majority of women do it out of fear. this has nothing to do with it being popular. so again, go read a fucking book or do ANYTHING to get educated on the matter because you obviously have no grasp on the subject. in a perfect world, yeah they would but get a grip on reality. no they can't all just stop, or else we'd have a democratic china and north korea. i mean according to your logic, they should all just revolt and easily take over, right?

3. again, you have no idea on how women across the world even realize they have the choice to do what they want. you're from canada so i don't expect you to know this, but black people forced into slavery was only expelled once white men in power decided it was bad. same goes for women in the middle east where there is not ONE woman in a position of power.

4. you are a god damned, stubborn idiot that deserved to be aborted.
 
I would like to kindly point out that not all canadians are retarded and our education system does not appear to be flawed - to the best of my knowledge.
 
Actually, slavery in the United States did not end because whites decided that it was bad, but rather that Lincoln knew that the North could not win the Civil War without undermining the status of black slaves in the South by claiming that hey were free. The fact that Lincoln was a "moral savior" according to history is a huge fallacy.
 
ok, so what do you got to say to that the civil war started mainly because lincoln wanted to end slavery?

this is supported by the fact that the south was heavily dependent on slavery whereas the north could do just fine without because of their industrial advancements? the south thought this would destroy their economy which lead to their attempted secession.
 
Mrs Garrison:
Let's all look at why Muslims are upset: [turns and picks up a stick of chalk] First of all, in the Muslim religion, you're not allowed to have what? [no response] Sex. Good. [writes "NO SEX" on the board] There's no sex until marriage in the Muslim world. [faces the class] Now, this would be fine except that in the Muslim religion you also can't... Anybody? [no response] Jack off. [writes "NO JACKING OFF" on the board] Okay, jacking it is strictly forbidden in the Muslim religion. [faces the class] And what do we know about the places Muslims live? They live in? [no response] Good, sand. [writes "SAND" on the board] Now put yourself in the shoes of a Muslim. It's Friday night, but you can't have sex, and you can't jack off. There's sand in your eyes and probably in the crack of your ass, and then some cartoon comes along from a country where people are getting laid, and mocks your prophet. Well you know what? I'd be pretty pissed off too!
 
Have you read the Qu'ran or Hadith?

The 9th Surah in the Qu'ran specifically states that you must KILL the non-believers.

"When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive [enslave them], beleaguer them [torture them], and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war. But if they relent, [and become Muslims by...] performing their devotional obligations and paying the zakat tax, then open the way. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." The Islamic god said, "I created Islam to start fights that will kill, enslave, and torture people by way of deceptive ambush. Surrender, or I will have Muslims terrorize you." That's from Surah 9:5

If you've read the Hadith it says

"Judgment Day will come only when the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, until the Jew hides behind the tree and the stone, and the tree and the stone say: ‘Oh Muslim, Oh servant of Allah , there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him"

Not even fucking kidding.

Get learned dood, there is definitely a peaceful element of Islam, and I know a lot of good Muslims(from Palestine funnily enough) they're some of the nicest people I know, but I know for a fact as soon as the time comes they would have NO problem cutting my fucking head off.

Just do a bit more research man, you really need to step it up if you're gonna argue something this volatile.
 
havnt read the thread, just skimmed, but for now, im with twin-tip-kid haha.
I think what hes basically saying (and which I agree with) is dont be too quick to judge muslims!!!!!!
quoting bits of scripture can be misleading and give a scewed view of a religionexample - from the BIBLE, 2 chronicles 15:12-13 And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman.

 
Thank you, you have out researched me and proved me wrong. I was unaware of this verse and it does change my perespective.

Ill admit im wrong in this aspect but I still stick by what i said about the 70 virgin thing, about what a jihad is and a bit about the women issue.

I still say that the burqas is a big part of religion. YES in many cases, especially in muslim countries, there is extreme social pressure to wear then even though it may not be the law. YES honor killings do occur but regardless its still a big religious symbol. I have reasearched this and read comments by many muslim women saying that they openly choose to wear it because of what it stands for. Last year in my world religion class we had two muslim girls and they both said the same. Lastly ive been to a mosque and talked to a female imam about the subject. So feel free to tell me im wrong again.

This is not to say all women feel the same way, i realise this.

But again, thank you testical paste for actually prooving me wrong. Thankfully not everyone on here is as dumb as skierman.

Lastly i still dont agree with some things people said in this thread. Mainly alexg concerning his comments about essentially irradicating the whole muslim religion. You really think genocide is the answer?

anyways im pretty done with this thread, frankly i dont care that much anymore.
 
Wikipedia told me so!

I believe my dad though from his experience. He worked on merchant ships for almost 35 years in and around the Middle East and about 15 of those between Japan and Indonesia (Indonesia being the largest per capita Muslim nation in the world) and he always said the Muslims in Indonesia were VASTLY different from the ones in the Middle East. Women aren't required to wear the veils in Indonesia and everyone is much more willing to deal with westerners.
 
Yeah probably not but it's something a lot of people should read, even though most of it is just copied from wikipedia.
 
yes thats what i tried to say. sorry im not sure if you were agreeing with me or not. But yea i was trying to say that there is intense social pressure in muslim countries put on women to wear them. Then i was contrasting by saying that here in canada (aswell as other places around the world) many women openly choose to wear them because they signify dignity, high self esteem, and purity in a women.

However the only personal experience i have on this matter is from talking to muslim canadians. Im not sure how they feel in other countries.

One thing is clear though, there are many factors(social, political, family, religious) that contribute to wether or not they wear burqas.

Like mr panda said, his dad has personal experiences from other countries that contrast the ones i have being in canada.

shits wack yo
 
soooo uh...im pretty sure kim jong il runs al queda. osama is his right hand man!

arent arabs sposed to be fairly small folks? how the fuck did osama get to be 6"6"?
 
The Civil War started because the Northern dominated Congress imposed high tariffs which greatly hurt the Southern export of agriculture in order to help the growth of the industrial north. The Southern states wanted to nullify the tariffs because they were losing a lot of money due to the protectionism but Lincoln would not allow this so they seceded as a result. Ending slavery was an afterthought to Lincoln before the war broke out. People who claim that slavery was the main issue in the Civil War are using it to make Lincoln appear righteous and moral whereas he was knowingly hindering the Southern economy to help his industrialist buddies.
 
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