9/11 Still Killing

9/11 was a false flag operation by our government to justify the war on terror, which is actually a war of terror against us to take our freedoms, control us, and perpetuate american hemogenony around the globe. people need to wake up. i have all the respect in the world for the people who helped in the aftermath of 9/11, it sucks to be them because the government barely even offers them any help with there health problems. PLEASE WAKE UP PEOPLE AND TELL OTHERS!!!
 
yea we'll maybe if people knew the truth then 9/11 then people would be more furious and would actually do something for rescue workers who are suffering due to the actions/lies of our govt.
 
haha, you really have to be ignorant yourself to call someone else ignorant. I'm just trying to open peoples eyes.
 
please provide documented evidence that the american government orchestrated the 9/11 attacks. i would like to see documents and authentic testimony from credible sources to back up your claims.

if you can't provide such evidence i would suggest you shut your mouth. your fear mongering is exactly identical to everything the american government does. so shut the fuck up and die!

back to the original point of the thread. that's fucked up. you'd think they'd have found all the remains after excavating the site.

 
That argument, "You have to be ignorant to call someone else ignorant" doesn't work for shit. Seriously, thats retarded.
 
no i'm not retarded. seriously think about it, calling someone ignorant because thier views dont align with yours is fucking stupid. Nobody is ignorant, everyone has their own views based on information that they have obtained and i'm sorry if the information and opinions that i've obtained clash with yours but please grow up and learn to accept other peoples viewpoints without attacking the person.....
 
Please provide documented evidence for your side of the story then big boy. Governmental agencies dont count (Do you think they would really report on things that are going to hurt them?)
 
why would i want to redo my first post, its based on information i've obtained and a opinion that i have also obtained so i dont understand why i would need to redo my first post....
 
I don't have to.

Prove that your government is "out to get you"

All you guys are posting is paranoid dillusional leftist bullshit! It's guys like you that end up homeless on the streets telling passersby that they are being watched and no one is safe.

 
alrighty here are just a few links to what the current administration has been doing to attack our personal liberties. I know it'll be hard for you to read all the links and read all the information presented, but if you actually do you might gain a new viewpoint on our wonderful administration who is saving us from all the "terrorists"

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?tab=summary&bill=h109-5122

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6134

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=5853

 
Why dont you have to prove it?

Some bad guys stole a plane, flew over restricted airspace without any intervention, took over a plane with box cutters and were able to fly a 757 into a skyscraper right? Thats all there is to it right? They were mad as us cause of our freedoms right? Two buildings fell at free fall speed. And then another one fell out of nowhere. Even though a Iron structure has never fallen down from fire damage before. Believe I want to believe that its not an inside job, but there are WAYYY to many fishy things that happened and have happened to believe the spoon fed story the government is telling me.

The government is out to get me. They take about half my paycheck every month. Money makes the world go round and when they physically take money from me I consider that out to get me. They dont care about my life at all, they just want my money.

And to the last point, fuck you. There are a shit ton of people who do not believe in the bullshit the gov feeds us. Many of them doctors, lawyers, movie stars, alex jones, just about everyone i talk to these days believes there is more to it than we are hearing.
 
shut the fuck up with the demolition shit you moron, "no fire has ever cause a building to fall" ????? fuck you! it got hit by a plane before it got lit on fire you fucking idiot, obviously its gonna have some structural damage.
 
Dude, the WTC buildings were built ALOT stronger than normal skyscrapers, its a governmental building so they always build it extra strong in case of an attack. They were built to withstand probably alot more than just a plane hitting them. A buddy of mine is a big time welder and said that Iron is the strongest natural mineral on this planet. He said The beams to hold up the building were probably about 10 ft wide and 10 ft thick. An Aluminum plane no matter how fast its going would not even phase those Iron supports.

Dude, a guy JUST came out with a huge ass report on all the flaws of the governments report on 9/11 YESTERDAY. He has a shit load of proof to prove the buildings were demolished with thermite. Ill post up the link.
 
Instead of posting the link, Im just copying and pasting it here. I would say this guy is THE MOST CREDIBLE evidence yet. He is an IRaq war vet, demo expert, etc. read the article it explains it all, he didnt leave anything out. He is not some homeless paranoid guy. He is not doing this to become famous, hes doing it so that the cover is blown on Bush and his shitty cabinet.

Iraq war veteran and experienced demolitions expert blows the cover on 9/11 inside job



National Writer's Syndicate | July 31, 2007

Gibbwake

Meet Torin Wolf. He has a broad and varied background as a US Army Combat Nurse during Operation Iraqi Freedom,....

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...building

construction contractor, certified structural welder, certified

asbestos and hazardous materials worker, experienced demolitions

expert, teacher, radio show host, and well studied 9/11 truth activist.

Torin knows how to put a building up, and bring the same building down

in its own footprint. Torin's free presentation, “Taking the Red Pill”

was hosted by Brave New Books on 1904 Guadalupe in Austin last

Saturday, June 23rd at 7 pm.

Torin is proud

of his native Cherokee heritage and his mother is the Band Historian of

the White River Band Cherokee from the central United States. Since he

received his GED at age 14, saying he is a smart guy is putting it

lightly. For over 12 years he worked as a hazardous materials

contractor specializing in asbestos abatement and concrete construction

sampling. Add to his resume the fact that he designed and implemented

well over 100 controlled demolitions. He was not just helping at a

lower level in the demolitions - he was the guy responsible for calling

the shots. Afterwards, he became a certified structural steel welder

and worked in heavy and mega construction for over 5 years in locations

around the world including several skyscrapers.

Ironically, Torin signed his papers to join the army on September 11th,

2000. He knew something was wrong with the official 9/11 story when his

army handlers took his squad into a room just in time to watch the

buildings collapse. With his demolitions experience, he immediately

knew those towers could not have fallen like that without explosives.

He went on to serve “with honor and distinction” with the 21st Combat

Support Hospital in Mosul, Iraq during the first part of Operation

Iraqi Freedom and earned the Bronze Star with V device for valor in combat.

While saving over 120 lives, Torin earned the Combat Medical Badge by

providing medical care to US, allied, enemy soldiers, and civilians

under combat conditions. Torin's arms display Samoan life saving

tattoos, each line and symbol representing a group of lives saved. The

army would like you to think he wasn't in Iraq, but unfortunately for

them, Torin appears in a recent documentary filmed there. A true hero

helping save lives in the middle east, Torin can be seen in section 4

of a PBS documentary called “Life and Death in the War Zone.”

With

Torins impressive list of qualifications, his unwavering voice holds a

power that shatters the lies of 9/11 sold to us by the government and

mainstream media, “The official story we've been told about 9/11 is

absolutely, physically impossible.”

Those

words are not just backed up with his qualifications because his

presentation goes through the hard physics as well. The presentation

starts out with a serious warning that reminds us the state our country

is in after the false flag attack and ensuing tyrannical hijacking of

the government on that September morning. A hijacking not by Bin Laden,

not by Al Qeada, but by a group of tyrants that orchestrated and

benefited from 9/11. “Unless you want to be charged as a terrorist, I

suggest you leave the room now. This is technically seditious material

and you can be charged under section 802 of the Patriot Act just for

being here.”

This upsets a few people near the front row. Everyone looks around to

see if that will scare anyone off but luckily no one leaves and the

presentation continues. The bookstore is now filled with former

American citizens, now terrorists, simply because they want to learn

the truth of what happened on 9/11. If you think the patriot act only

applies to foreigners or dehumanized muslims with brown skin, you are

very wrong. Torin rubs the effect in even more, “We [American citizens]

don't even have to be charged – foreigners do.” Then tells us that the

patriot act was written prior to 9/11, “This is admitted.” Also

admitted is the fact that the patriot act has been used to come after American citizens over eight hundred times.

The presentation moves on and goes through some of the just plain crazy

theories of why the towers fell, such as space beams, holograms,

missiles, orbs, pterodactyls , etc., and easily debunks them. Torin then adds, “There is evidence most of these are put out by the government as disinfo.” Then explains how the White House, in violation of the law, has bought 28 billion, “Billion with a B ” in fake news .

“But

the craziest, most truly unhinged conspiracy theory for the towers

falling on 9/11?” Torin asks rhetorically. “ Fire. ” The official story

cannot be recreated by any experiment. NIST is the government agency

involved in attempting to model what happened to the world trade center

on 9/11, and they fail horribly. NIST never models what happens after

the collapse initiation, and even what they do model before that is

easily debunked. NIST created 16 separate physics programs to simulate

the WTC 1 & 2 collapses and only got 1 to collapse partially. Torin

adds, “When they did, [in the computer model] they removed 40% of the

structural support.” The cross trusses that the towers received a

significant amount of their strength from had to be removed to have a

collapse in the computer simulation. Torin then mocks the official

story, “There's no such thing as a 'pancake' collapse, but there is a

progressive collapse”

A few slides are shown of

progressive collapses throughout the world. None of them are anything

like what happened to the world trade center with its pulverized

concrete 100 microns or smaller just seconds after the start of

collapse, and then its complete destruction. Torin uses his expertise

to explain to the audience how and why a real progressive collapse

occurs and subsequently why the WTC was not a progressive collapse.

“The biggest problem with the argument,” Torin explains. “Time.”

Several slides are then presented that show the hard physics and

observed time of WTC 2 falling. Worst-case scenario would require 0.5

seconds per floor for collapse. “The absolute minimum amount of time

for a progressive collapse would be 43 seconds.” How long did it take

for the building to fall in reality? About 8.6 Seconds.

“For the towers to fall at so close to free fall speed, over 110,000

separate and independent structural support points had to fail

simultaneously. 'Pancake theory' does NOT explain the failure of the

cores.” Torin explains passionately, obviously upset with the lies

being told to the American people. "Nothing is holding the building up

- No resistance. 110,000 structural failures at the same time."



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Torin: "Nothing is holding the building up - No resistance. 110,000 structural failures at the same time."

Next, we are shown an incredible bit of detective work on Torins part. He shows a sequence of 12 different pictures of the collapse initiation of the North tower ,

WTC 1. Torin explains that the antenna on the top of the world trade

center is a perfect guide of measurement for height, as there is a

standard of changing the paint color of antennas once per fifty feet.

The part of the antenna on the roof of WTC 1 appears black, then white

alternated every fifty feet. There is a guide wire in the bottom left

of every picture that shows that the camera does not move. Why is this

picture so interesting? It shows the antenna, which is held up by the

core columns, fall before the rest of the building while the fire line

on the 78th floor doesn't move. Torin then goes through the hard

physics of the scene we're looking at and explains how it directly

contradicts the official story, “This building is not collapsing on the

78th floor. The antenna falls 56 feet before the 78th floor falls.”

Torin then gives his expert analysis on building 7

for about five minutes. For those that are new to this information,

building 7 was the third building to collapse on 9/11. After a thirty

second countdown was given by firefighters, it collapsed perfectly into

its own footprint at 5:20 in the afternoon. It housed the IRS,

Department of Defense, CIA, Secret Service, and the Security and

Exchange Commission among many others. While I can't cover all of the

hard hitting information Torin brought up about building 7, the

highlight was his analysis of the collapse, which played over and over

again on the screen behind him, “There is no doubt about it, this is a

controlled demolition profile” then Torin directed everyone to view the

kink , which is characteristic of a controlled demolition.

Dangerously high levels of asbestos, lead, PCB's, mercury, radioactive

materials, and powdered concrete were in the air after the towers were

demolished. Much to the surprise of many audience members, we learned

from Torin that by far the most dangerous on the list was the

pulverized concrete. The pulverized concrete, which was thick in the

air around ground zero after the collapses of WTC 1 and 2, had a pH of

12 which is “about the same as drain cleaner.” This pH level, when

breathed in and gets wet in your lungs, will cause chemical burns. “Wet concrete can burn you,”

Torin adds. The asbestos is bad, but that will kill you over 20 years -

the powdered concrete will kill much faster. So its no surprise to

learn that all of the 9/11 rescue and recovery dogs are dead.

Torins

report goes on to explain how “emissions from the WTC piles were

recorded to be hundreds of times above the legal Permissible Exposure

Limit as established by the National Institute of Occupational Safety

and Health for more than 2 weeks after 9/11.” Sheer contempt of

Christine Todd Whitman, head of the EPA is expressed next by Torin.

Torin is rightly angry at her for saying the air was safe to breathe

and that people should return to work, even though they refused to

release the data from their testing at that time to substantiate their

declaration. Torin uncovers that, “The EPA didn't begin monitoring for

airborne asbestos levels until 8:00pm September 14, 2001 – a day and a

half after they told everyone that it was safe to return.” Torin then

cites the exact law that the EPA is violating and the number of

regulatory duties that are violated as well. Torin has caught the EPA

in direct violation of a federal law, punishable by up to 10 years in

prison as well as a $250,000 fine for each violation. Before the EPA

did the tests, independent tests were done in which the machines that

do the air quality testing “were so full of junk that they couldn't be

read.” If that is the case, Torin adds, “You must, by law, throw the

sample out.”

What was

in the readable air samples? “Sampling of bulk materials and dust found

generally low levels of asbestos.” Since Torin has worked with

hazardous materials for over 12 years specializing in asbestos

abatement, he knows quite a bit about the industry. “There is no such

thing as a 'low level of asbestos'. Bulk samples, by Federal law, either are (>1%) or are not (
 
hahahahaa i laughed and had a very niec picture in my head about what u said in the last part of ur post. ITS SOO TRUE!!

 
Okay buddy lets have some general science lessons here;

Iron is the strongest natural mineral? ARE YOU FUCKING RETARTED? What is the strongest naturally occurring mineral you ask? DIAMONDS. SO unless the WTC was built of diamonds... which it was not, it was not built from the strongest mineral on earth.

As well your telling me that if I set up a beam that is 10ft wide and thick that if i hit it with a 2 tonne plane that it would not even be phased?

Iron MELTS at 1538 C now to give you an idea of that heat, the flame from a Bunsen burner can exceed 1600 C (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire) So you are going to sit there and tell me that the heat of burning jet fuel would not cause the iron to melt, thereby causing total building collapse?

SHUT THE FUCK UP, your 14 years old, lets be realistic for a second here, had the government come up with some major conspiracy, of this magnitude. Do you really think that your 14 year old mind would have cracked the conspiracy?

You are a nobody, you know nothing, you are nothing. Until you learn to respect those that fight for your freedom, and recognize that the victims were innocent victims of an extremist group that needs to be shut down. It is people like you that stand by and watch your country get attacked.
 
quality rebuttal.

Definitely proved me wrong. (sarcasm meter = 10)

counter my argument? Please? Prove to me that iron is the strongest mineral on the planet?
 
i know that iron isnt the strongest mineral in the planet. sweet dude, thats just genius, your so fucking smart. maybe you should read the article conceptkid posted before you try to make everyone look like trash because of the strength and or melting point of iron, thats the least important part of this argument.
 
you dont have to asshole, all i want people to do is to look at the information that is out there. and by information that is out there i dont me popular science or other MSM outlets of disinformation. LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE NEWS SOURCES, read a lot and hopefully what you learn will reinfornce your opinion or change it, crazy huh!?
 
Honestly, all you conspiracy toting assholes are just annoying. You always claim there is irrefutable PROOF that the government is the devil and they are all out ot get you and take away all your freedoms. Fuck you, you are wrong. I dislike the bush administration as much as the next person, but how in the hell are they taking away your freedoms? They take away half your paycheck? No they don't, its like 15%, and try living in a place like sweden where they literally do take away half your pay check. You don't see them complaining. Its called tax, stop bitching about it. The government didn't cause 9/11, the world isnt controlled by power hungry jews, etc. Be logical. Come on.
 
I cant believe I started a thread to spread awareness of people losing there lives, and it turned into you fuckers having a bitch fest over fucking retarted conspiracy theories. Stop fucking ruining my thread you arrogant bitches.

and pipe monkey, I agree with you.
 
I did. I agree with you guys speaking of an ominous foe in our midst.

And SkierkidWV, thats fucked up that nobody is helping the people who dug up that mess. But as the Torin article said, powdered concrete has a pH of 12, roughly that of draino. Why do you think methamphetamines are so devastating in our world? Many things were done wrong following the fall of the towers. I have trouble with your stance on this though. You're concerned with all the people still suffering from debilitating medical conditions, but you're acting blind towards what was the most probable cause for those medical problems. I'm very surprised you don't side with benditto and conceptkid. You seem mixed up and confused.

Those planes didn't bring those buildings down though. Whoever was talking about the fires and shit is an idiot. Most of that jet fuel was consumed in the initial 20 seconds of collision. What do you think made the fireball 25 stories high? After that it was curtains, carpet, and desks etc that was burning. You're a fool if you think it was the fire that brought down those buildings.
 
oooo ur getting scared cause he asked you to do it first?

then you try to turn the tables on him. come one dude grow up 9/11 wasnt a conspiracy fagboy
 
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