I have to agree with Hucksplat, I am tryin 180's right now since i just started, and the only time i get even close is when i visulaize it like that. When i just go up and try to spin hard or huck it, i go corked of a 2 foot jump and land on my hip. I agree that vizulaiation is the key, but who am i to say????, I suck