4frnt bindings

pat-rickdaigle

pat-rickdaigle

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ok i'm getting mixed reviews on these when i look at other threads so hopefully i will get straight answers in this one. If you have these bindings please tell me the type of skiing you do and how many days approx. you have on them and how they are holding up..thanks!
 
I just bought a pair but its summer so I haven't skied them at all but they are about normal weight for bindings not too heavy or too light. I bought them for my elizabeths because they have a wider screw pattern. They also come standard with wide brakes which is really nice. I'll tell you more once I actually ski them but judging by appearance of what I've heard they're gonna be a great binding. Hope that helped
 
I haven't skied them but let me tell you, don't worry about them. They're made by Vist who have been in the racing game for decades and also made bindings for Movement and Amplid.
 
ive skied them at least 30 days they are legit. mad durable made out of almost completly all metal. not to heavy no loose parts they can take a beating and keep on working never had to warranty a pair either. 07 color look sick too! ive got a pair of the blue ones sitting next to me right now.
 
haha seanpistol...you are funny, i liked that comment there man...maybe you should read a little bit more into things before you post retarded shit like that, which eventually is going to make you look like an incompitent moron...they're made by the swiss (i believe) company Vist...they're supposed to be bombproof as hell...only thing bad about them is the price from what i've heard
 
hey there douchebag... vist/nordica/4frnt... same fucking thing! it's crazy how the nordica bindings were such garbage they never sold, and now they've got a new fucking paintjob and suddenly they're "core and super solid". no matter who's name is on them, they're still going to suck fat donkey cock.

so... go ahead, suck 4frnts dick and py $350 for a pair. have a good fucking time on them, but next time before you start posting stupid shit, get a little info and know what the fuck you're trying to say.

 
hey spaz job...i can't say i've ever seen the 4frnt/vist design of binding with the nordica name on it...if you can show me that you're right and im wrong...fuck, props to ya buddy
 
Well I CAN say I saw a freind of mine who rides for 4frnt rocking Vist before 4frnt started paying em to put there graphics on them.... and they blew then like they blow now. As did the nordica bindings that where EXACTLY the same. People claim light bindings are good..... NAH, if there light that means there made with plastic, plastic breaks, when your bindings break, you blow out your knees. If the bindings where good people would have been using them BEFORE they where "4frnts". p18's kids there is NO alternative.

Why would you buy bindings from a company that makes shitty skis? Have we not learned anything from the whole LINE disaster?
 
yea nordica was based off of, or fucking close to marker...thats what i was thinking, wasn't sure though...and about the whole line ski analogy back there buddy...they're bindings did, and still do blow ass...because they were fully constructed of plastic almost...but in no way do their skis suck...and yea, p18's are for sure the way to go...good ass shit, as long as you go race stock...
 
Especialy now that they can come with wide breaks

Other alternatives are the Solly s916's and Mojo 15's and 20's.

But you must remember lighter skiers like me do not need race stock bindings. We can live with a bit of plastic.

 
not that i need to prove myself...

nordica axis from 02/03

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4frnt deadbolt from 05/06

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Listen up, know-it-alls, 4FRNT's binding was originally designed by Nordica and was based off nothing except Nordica's original design (I don't know where you guys get this Marker connection, such bullshit).

The binding worked very, very well and had good test results. In fact, it beat out some companies that would make you very surprised.

What didn't work, was the ski/binding "system", or connection, Nordica was trying to implement. For those of you who don't remember, this was called Synergy. It was a faulty connection to the ski, and had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the fundemental mechanics of the binding.

While Nordica was trying to improve the Synergy system, they were bought by the Tecnica group, which, at the time, owned Marker bindings as well. Rather than continue with the Synergy experiment, Tecnica axed Nordica's binding program (which cost Nordica mucho, MUCHO dinero in R&D), and simply started using a Marker system on all Nordica's skis to improve Marker's market share.

VIST, which had been working closely with Nordica on their World Cup program, then bought the rights to the Nordica binding and began designing beefier versions for W.C. use. These bindings were highly successful.

4frnt, wanting to expand into the binding market, but having the common sense not to try and design a binding from scratch, was looking for proven technology, that could be tweaked to suite freeskiing. VIST had virtually no marketshare in North America, and decided to partner up with 4frnt to produce the Deadbolts.

The Deadbolts ARE different. VIST has worked very closely with the boys at 4frnt on perfecting an already outstanding binding. It's not a paint job, haters. It's a solid piece of equipment with proven technology that works.

One example:

Take the different 4frnt models - the 412, 614, and 816 (the names obviously referring to the DIN range of each model). The 412 and 614 are produced using the exact same chassis as the 816 team/"race stock" binding. What this means is each binding is constructed with the same metal components that make high DIN bindings so attractive and durble. No mas plastic. So you if you weigh 125 lbs., you don't have to get a binding whose DIN goes from 8-16 (which will rip your legs off) just to reap the benefits of the metal used in race stock bindings. Each binding is the same, except the spring ratio. Make sense?

You find me a binding company who has a 12 DIN binding that uses the exact same chassis as their race stock model, and I'll stick a banana in my ass.

That's the deal. And any other "theories" are bullshit.
 
$350 eh? It seems to me that they are like $269.. and I haven't heard of a single one breaking. Sooo, I don't understand the hate here. Its not a shit binding.
 
o fuck me!! one pro (that doesn't ride for 4frnt) said he doesn't like them...i wonder why!!!! worst excuse i've evr fucking heard...i'm either buying these or a pair of old look p18's...strength and reliablity are the biggest issues behind bindings...not paint, not weight...
 
Well Pep does not have a binding sponsor so he choses which binddings he wants to ride on, and he tried the deadbolt and did not like them. He is also not conected to any binding company so he is not going to be biesed against the bindings is he, and no 4frnt sponsored rider would say they did not like them would they. So the fact that he is not sponsored by 4frnt does not mean anything.

Oh and streangth comes with wieght. So you will be hard preesed to find a strong binding with out wieght.
 
the 120's toe piece is the p12/px12 toe piece so its plastic. i think (not sure) that there is more plastic in the heel as well. the 120 is supposed to be a kids race binding.
 
For all you dumb asses on here. Jfuller knows more about bindings than any of you. I believe he used to work for 4frnt..(am I wrong?) oh and he will crush you with his fury!!
 
Well, that would explain why hes all about there shitty bindings then eh? I'll stick to my NEVER HAD A PROBLEM p18's
 
dude i've been riding look for 3 seasons now...same pairs...beat the SHIT out of htem and im not a small guy...can't say i've ever had a problem with them at all...dunno what you're huff puffin about
 
so now the question is, if i were to find an old pair of synergies, would they be as bury as the 4frnts, and would i be able to use the 4frnt wide brade cause they didn't come with one.
 
i work at a shop, and i have seen nordica bindings come in that looked like vists, and did my research and were the same bindings, atleast in appearance and from what research indicated, and that came from talking to reps and from calling the companies, i cant say whether the binding is good or bad, i've never used it but have heard good reviews
 
I'm using and selling Vist bindings since 3 years, my lasts are V614 Harlekin on 07 Gotamas in 197 used in full conditions, no problem they work great with their big Teflon plate. Some people had problems with smallest models (V311, V412) that were releasing a bit too easily apparently, a bit like Spherics. V816 have a backward release lock that is great for FS and FSBC, i really think Vist makes great bindings for freeskiing.

It's years Vist is making these and selling bindings for other manufacturers, it's easy as you can easily change the shells yourself and they just have to make new shells with manufacturers' names on it : Amplid, Stockli, Movement, Lacroix, Nava, etc... Check their website (http://www.vist.it/html/en/partners_bindings.php?p=19)and see the number of "partners". Recently there was Nordica in this part so maybe Nordica was provided by Vist and not the contrary... It's what i think !

FKS are not using the same frame that Axial bindings... The proof is... FKS Are perfect and and Axials are just useless fake plastic things.
 
wow looks like the nordicas and 4frnt are indeed the same design, which was kinda obvious by looking at them, but they probably are actually identical. The white and blue vist bindings look schweet.

and axials are fine bindings man I had look p10s for two years and nothing broke on them, I have axial 100s or whatever on my urbans which are working great, and I just got some axial power 140s and I haven't skied them yet but they look pretty solid. dont be such a binding snob you dont NEED racestock bindings unless you wanna hit them with a hammer or somethin. Or you are a crazy big mountain skier and need the din.
 
im not gonna lie when i read seans post i thougth he was bullshitting us...but as usual he is right.
 
Bobaburg >> I'm talking about NEW Axial system, that began last winter. Old ones were pretty good, i had some P12 and Scratch 140 that were great, i even liked their low stance as like most of freestylers (i think...) i like to be close to my skis and not be on 30mm lifters !

But the new shit is an Axium low range binding with a fake Pivot system that doesn't laterally releases. Officially Ross says it's done to make it lighter... But in fact a honest Ross rep told me it was to save money using only one rail for Axials and Axiums.

Sean >> I know this Nordica binding as well, but do you know if Vist is making Nordica bindings or the contrary ? I really think that Vist makes it, they also make Nordica's rental plates so...
 
Hmm, sorry i had a better look to Jfuller's post, it's explaining everything... So Sean i don't ask you the question :o)
 
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