2021 On3p

14151827:iggyskier said:
Heads up. Putting one of my cat down later today (after about 75 long days of treatment and care - that looked like was working only to crash last two weeks). Thrown my last week totally out of wack and not working today so likely Wednesday before I have time to do last checks and turn everything on.

If anyone is real antsy for details before then I can post specs here this afternoon.
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:( Sorry to hear that, 75 days is a long time that cats got some fight in it
 
14151827:iggyskier said:
Heads up. Putting one of my cat down later today (after about 75 long days of treatment and care - that looked like was working only to crash last two weeks). Thrown my last week totally out of wack and not working today so likely Wednesday before I have time to do last checks and turn everything on.

If anyone is real antsy for details before then I can post specs here this afternoon.
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Man so sorry to hear. You and the kitty both gave it your heart and soul. Hang in there.
 
14151827:iggyskier said:
Heads up. Putting one of my cat down later today (after about 75 long days of treatment and care - that looked like was working only to crash last two weeks). Thrown my last week totally out of wack and not working today so likely Wednesday before I have time to do last checks and turn everything on.

If anyone is real antsy for details before then I can post specs here this afternoon.
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So sorry for your loss, Scott. I'm sure he/she had a wonderful life, you seemed like you really cared for him/her a lot.

I think basically everyone would agree there's no rush on the skis or specs at all. Take all the time you need. Much love.

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Jeffreys are up! They look rad - especially into the aesthetic on the 116.

Result of me nerding out too hard but looks like the weights on the 102 might be duplicates of the 108. Presumably it would be a bit lighter and snappier than the 108? Otherwise it looks like that dang goldilocks ski between the 108 and 96. Will be buying.
 
14154172:Kevski said:
Jeffreys are up! They look rad - especially into the aesthetic on the 116.

Result of me nerding out too hard but looks like the weights on the 102 might be duplicates of the 108. Presumably it would be a bit lighter and snappier than the 108? Otherwise it looks like that dang goldilocks ski between the 108 and 96. Will be buying.
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I have the 96s from last year and I'm stuck between the 102s and the 108s this year. Going custom and getting the soft lay up because i love fat soft rockered skis.
 
14154192:skeirman said:
No long 102's. Bummed. I assume the Woodsman will be the same.
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Could be worth a reach out to the team for custom - Scott mentioned doing a longer J96 for Michael Jordan and think he suggested they could do it again on custom. Worst they say is no!
 
14154181:CatdickBojangles said:
I have the 96s from last year and I'm stuck between the 102s and the 108s this year. Going custom and getting the soft lay up because i love fat soft rockered skis.
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Feel like if u got the 96's the 108's will make for a better quiver but that's just me
 
14153852:CatdickBojangles said:
Customs are live, [tag=3025]@iggyskier[/tag] are there any other graphics or options coming to customs before I pull the trigger?
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This is it in terms of customs. If there is a specific stock topsheet you want from this year or last, just message us before ordering and put in the notes.

14154172:Kevski said:
Jeffreys are up! They look rad - especially into the aesthetic on the 116.

Result of me nerding out too hard but looks like the weights on the 102 might be duplicates of the 108. Presumably it would be a bit lighter and snappier than the 108? Otherwise it looks like that dang goldilocks ski between the 108 and 96. Will be buying.
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Yep - I need to update those.

This is literally the "fuck it, we'll do it live" of ski launches so bear with me. I assure you will be continue to be a bit of a junkshow. The backlog of email alone from when I was gone is gonna take me awhile to work through.

14154181:CatdickBojangles said:
I have the 96s from last year and I'm stuck between the 102s and the 108s this year. Going custom and getting the soft lay up because i love fat soft rockered skis.
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Are you going to keep skiing the 96? Where are you skiing?

14154192:skeirman said:
No long 102's. Bummed. I assume the Woodsman will be the same.
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14154196:anders_a said:
186cm.... Not everyone skiiing is a petite, at least not here in europe.
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Sorry guys. Yes same on the Woodsman 102. Don't take this as we're cutting all the long skis, but we sell so few long skis getting hard to even keep the ones we have. I think 191cm+ skis are about...3% of our production right now, maybe less. A couple points.

One thing to know about our production is that with our skis - it isn't like I can just order more from another factory. So adding a length is its own molding, cassettes, templates, on top of all the design and prototyping time/costs. So there is a lot of costs to develop additional sizes - so the burden to add long (or short skis to be honest - we outright cut the shortest size of the Jeffrey 116 and Woodman 116 this year) is high. Hard to justify for only a few skis.

Second - while we're always working to improve our process, our output is basically maxed out right now. So we are constantly having to balance what we offer with what actually sells. Here is how that plays out.

Option 1 - we keep offering, say, a 191cm Jeffrey 116. We make 25-30 pairs. We're left with 5-8 pairs at end of the year - all of which have to be sold on sale.

Option 2 - we move that production over the other models - say split 8-10 pairs each of the 176, 181, 186 Jeffrey 108. All will sell out before skis go on sale - less production changes over - less marketing push - less graphic work - less production management - less inventory management - etc.

Fiscally, option 2 made sense. But we have maybe 15-20 SKUs that fall under option 1 right now. I've joked that we could exist on maybe 10 SKUs, but that is likely true (we have 70ish).

In terms of factory and business efficiency, there are merits to cutting SKUs and there has certainly been discussions about just cutting bottom 10 SKUs each year for 2-3 years. Flip side is - we want to offer as many options as we can - so hard balance.

We're a bit blind for how the 102 will do in terms of sales distribution. If it matches 108 - I think good chance 191cm gets added for 2022, or sooner. If it matches 96, then likely no.

As things stand now - if we hear from enough people ask for the 191cm - we'll revisit in the fall and see what would take to bring to market this year. But right now focusing on the sizes we know sell.

Edit to add - our 186 is most brands 189, 191 most brands 194, so if we listed our skis like most brands likely might not be having this convo.

14154226:Lazylightning said:
Any word on the drop date of the woodsmans?
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Most dates are back 10-14 days, so late next week as long as I have time to finish final tweaks over holiday weekend.

14154279:Kevski said:
Could be worth a reach out to the team for custom - Scott mentioned doing a longer J96 for Michael Jordan and think he suggested they could do it again on custom. Worst they say is no!
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We still have that templates - so could be done. Should be noted that I think we've made less than 5 since we made skis for MJ, so again, interest is limited in these long skis. If we get notable interest in a 191 Jeffrey 102, again, might still happen but right now playing it safe on sizing.

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14154320:iggyskier said:
This is it in terms of customs. If there is a specific stock topsheet you want from this year or last, just message us before ordering and put in the notes.

Are you going to keep skiing the 96? Where are you skiing?

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Yes the 96's are my favorite ski and will remain my daily drivers. I ski the east coast. I also have the Magnus 102's but don't ski them much because I don't spend much time if any in the park anymore. I feel like the 102 would overlap alot. The 108s would fill my need for a fat soft ski that can be rode any day its not solid ice. How soft is the soft option in custom?
 
might go with another pair of woodsmans but as a 108 or wait until the touring line drops. its gonna be a full touring setup so minus well wait on the touring line, right? i do not intend on skiing those inbounds much at all. my 116s are absolutely perfect for any day. either way, everything looks absolutely gorgeous. gotta handle some adulting with my truck this month before buying skis sadly

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14154458:DeebieSkeebies said:
might go with another pair of woodsmans
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Wait sorry I’ve lost track, have the woodsmans been out for a year already, have you skied them? If so would you mind describing them?
 
14154320:iggyskier said:
This is it in terms of customs. If there is a specific stock topsheet you want from this year or last, just message us before ordering and put in the notes.

Yep - I need to update those.

This is literally the "fuck it, we'll do it live" of ski launches so bear with me. I assure you will be continue to be a bit of a junkshow. The backlog of email alone from when I was gone is gonna take me awhile to work through.

Are you going to keep skiing the 96? Where are you skiing?

Sorry guys. Yes same on the Woodsman 102. Don't take this as we're cutting all the long skis, but we sell so few long skis getting hard to even keep the ones we have. I think 191cm+ skis are about...3% of our production right now, maybe less. A couple points.

One thing to know about our production is that with our skis - it isn't like I can just order more from another factory. So adding a length is its own molding, cassettes, templates, on top of all the design and prototyping time/costs. So there is a lot of costs to develop additional sizes - so the burden to add long (or short skis to be honest - we outright cut the shortest size of the Jeffrey 116 and Woodman 116 this year) is high. Hard to justify for only a few skis.

Second - while we're always working to improve our process, our output is basically maxed out right now. So we are constantly having to balance what we offer with what actually sells. Here is how that plays out.

Option 1 - we keep offering, say, a 191cm Jeffrey 116. We make 25-30 pairs. We're left with 5-8 pairs at end of the year - all of which have to be sold on sale.

Option 2 - we move that production over the other models - say split 8-10 pairs each of the 176, 181, 186 Jeffrey 108. All will sell out before skis go on sale - less production changes over - less marketing push - less graphic work - less production management - less inventory management - etc.

Fiscally, option 2 made sense. But we have maybe 15-20 SKUs that fall under option 1 right now. I've joked that we could exist on maybe 10 SKUs, but that is likely true (we have 70ish).

In terms of factory and business efficiency, there are merits to cutting SKUs and there has certainly been discussions about just cutting bottom 10 SKUs each year for 2-3 years. Flip side is - we want to offer as many options as we can - so hard balance.

We're a bit blind for how the 102 will do in terms of sales distribution. If it matches 108 - I think good chance 191cm gets added for 2022, or sooner. If it matches 96, then likely no.

As things stand now - if we hear from enough people ask for the 191cm - we'll revisit in the fall and see what would take to bring to market this year. But right now focusing on the sizes we know sell.

Edit to add - our 186 is most brands 189, 191 most brands 194, so if we listed our skis like most brands likely might not be having this convo.

Most dates are back 10-14 days, so late next week as long as I have time to finish final tweaks over holiday weekend.

We still have that templates - so could be done. Should be noted that I think we've made less than 5 since we made skis for MJ, so again, interest is limited in these long skis. If we get notable interest in a 191 Jeffrey 102, again, might still happen but right now playing it safe on sizing.

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Thanks for the detailed transparency as always Scott. Best of luck with all the backlog
 
14154548:SofaKingSick said:
Wait sorry I’ve lost track, have the woodsmans been out for a year already, have you skied them? If so would you mind describing them?
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i skied kartel108s before them but for some reason just had more fun on 116 woodsmans (187cm). Thought it was gonna be a bit too much for a daily driver ski and coaching but they felt just about perfect on almost any given day. Good flex and great shape, its a solid ski for anyone who really doesnt rip park anymore but hauls ass and likes to jump off stuff. I like how it has a subtle enough twin tip for switch hits, butters, landings, etc. It finagles in and out of tight spots real well, so i can only imagine a smaller shape would do even better. Groomer skiing was legit super fun on them, and they never let you down on deep days. Slash turns felt absolutely unreal on them lol. Theyre a real fun ski. Lots of chairlift questions about them too.
 
14154686:DeebieSkeebies said:
i skied kartel108s before them but for some reason just had more fun on 116 woodsmans (187cm). Thought it was gonna be a bit too much for a daily driver ski and coaching but they felt just about perfect on almost any given day. Good flex and great shape, its a solid ski for anyone who really doesnt rip park anymore but hauls ass and likes to jump off stuff. I like how it has a subtle enough twin tip for switch hits, butters, landings, etc. It finagles in and out of tight spots real well, so i can only imagine a smaller shape would do even better. Groomer skiing was legit super fun on them, and they never let you down on deep days. Slash turns felt absolutely unreal on them lol. Theyre a real fun ski. Lots of chairlift questions about them too.
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Thanks for the reply man. I’ve def had my eye on them. The small twin tip is a little off putting for me since I’m mostly a forward skier these days but hit and land things switch sometimes and a small twin makes me a little nervous but I’m sure it’s fine

how are they at top speed?
 
14151827:iggyskier said:
Heads up. Putting one of my cat down later today (after about 75 long days of treatment and care - that looked like was working only to crash last two weeks). Thrown my last week totally out of wack and not working today so likely Wednesday before I have time to do last checks and turn everything on.

If anyone is real antsy for details before then I can post specs here this afternoon.
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RIP cat
 
I never skied them, but I can confirm that they go real fast from skiing one day with him this season, the blue ones right? [tag=129716]@DeebieSkeebies[/tag]

14154726:SofaKingSick said:
Thanks for the reply man. I’ve def had my eye on them. The small twin tip is a little off putting for me since I’m mostly a forward skier these days but hit and land things switch sometimes and a small twin makes me a little nervous but I’m sure it’s fine

how are they at top speed?
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14154320:iggyskier said:
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Just want to say I love reading the insight on the business side of ski manufacturing. I also think it's super impressive you offer your skis in 5cm increments covering the common size ranges, instead of 10cm or so that most other manufacturers use.
 
14154726:SofaKingSick said:
Thanks for the reply man. I’ve def had my eye on them. The small twin tip is a little off putting for me since I’m mostly a forward skier these days but hit and land things switch sometimes and a small twin makes me a little nervous but I’m sure it’s fine

how are they at top speed?
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14155423:BigPurpleSkiSuit said:
I never skied them, but I can confirm that they go real fast from skiing one day with him this season, the blue ones right? [tag=129716]@DeebieSkeebies[/tag]
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speed was fun on these things. like really fun. the kind of fun where like you had to be seriously careful sometimes because all you were doing for a few laps was just pointing it down shit and and it was a bit of risk/reward lol. They held up at high speeds so darn well, it was impressive. like i said you had to be careful sometimes cuz all you wanted to do was straightline to see what the breaking point was

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That was a banger day honestly, what time!

14155430:DeebieSkeebies said:
speed was fun on these things. like really fun. the kind of fun where like you had to be seriously careful sometimes because all you were doing for a few laps was just pointing it down shit and and it was a bit of risk/reward lol. They held up at high speeds so darn well, it was impressive. like i said you had to be careful sometimes cuz all you wanted to do was straightline to see what the breaking point was

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14155431:BigPurpleSkiSuit said:
That was a banger day honestly, what time!
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oh yes indeed. it was perfect chalkyness and great cruddie skiing. cant wait for opening day and going fast again lol
 
14155423:BigPurpleSkiSuit said:
I never skied them, but I can confirm that they go real fast from skiing one day with him this season, the blue ones right? [tag=129716]@DeebieSkeebies[/tag]
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14155430:DeebieSkeebies said:
speed was fun on these things. like really fun. the kind of fun where like you had to be seriously careful sometimes because all you were doing for a few laps was just pointing it down shit and and it was a bit of risk/reward lol. They held up at high speeds so darn well, it was impressive. like i said you had to be careful sometimes cuz all you wanted to do was straightline to see what the breaking point was

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that's awesome to hear, thanks boys. might be my next pair...
 
Im guessing uploading the tops at this point is an after thought, but I'm sure as long as they can still safely operate that they're grinding out inventory for the new lines everyday.
 
14158662:bakerybro said:
does anyone know what the new billy goats are looking like?
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Nope. But will probably have a goat on it.

14158676:animator said:
INSANE [tag=3025]@iggyskier[/tag] !!!! Any word on when these are dropping on the website??
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Tonight or tomorrow. First round of Jeffrey pressing should be done around 8/4, so Woodsman should start pressing around 8/5 - so first stock Woodsman pairs will start shipping around 8/21.
 
New C&Ds are absolutely amazing. Gems hidden in plain sight. Billy’s look great too. Safe to say you guys crushed the graphics this year!
 
everything looks so clean, damn. incredible work. thanks again for doing what ya do.

50/50 layup for a slackcountry/touring focused setup or the woodsman 108 tour?

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