2015/2016 NFL Thread

[BenWhit]

As someone who was at the game....It got really close. The Bills got the game within 5 points after being down 13-37 late in the third. The stadium was cranked and the pats had no answer to the bills offense in the 4th.

See, I think you're a little caught up in the stadium atmosphere and how the home team crowd creates/interprets momentum. The Patriots got too absorbed with running up the score. They stuck to their game plan of relentlessly throwing the ball, soon realized it, and finally put Blount in the game.

 

[GayWolf420]

Lombardi is such an asshat of an OC, don't even care the success he's had before. What a fucking bonehead.

 

[bakedpow]

Well chancellor finally decided to come help his team out. About time yah dingus

 

[.Hugo.]

Well chancellor finally decided to come help his team out. About time yah dingus

If i was on that team i wouldnt want that selfish prick back

 

[GayWolf420]

god, chancellor seems like a cunt. didn't he say some funky-ass bible thumper shit earlier like "god will figure this out" or whatever? that's great and all but at the end of the day, his team was still missing personnel and now they're 0-2. no offense to hawks fans or anything, but the way these fucking primadonna millionaries go about their contracts is just infuriating.

with that being said, which teams out of all the 0-2 ones have the best chances of making the playoffs do you all think? anything can happen and I know its only week three, but all ive been hearing is teams who start off really bad rarely make deep runs.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

god, chancellor seems like a cunt. didn't he say some funky-ass bible thumper shit earlier like "god will figure this out" or whatever? that's great and all but at the end of the day, his team was still missing personnel and now they're 0-2. no offense to hawks fans or anything, but the way these fucking primadonna millionaries go about their contracts is just infuriating.

with that being said, which teams out of all the 0-2 ones have the best chances of making the playoffs do you all think? anything can happen and I know its only week three, but all ive been hearing is teams who start off really bad rarely make deep runs.

I think part of the issue Kam had is with the way the Hawks handed out contracts to their stars like candy, and he wanted to re-up with one too..

Any Hawks fan want to confirm?

 

[.Hugo.]

I think part of the issue Kam had is with the way the Hawks handed out contracts to their stars like candy, and he wanted to re-up with one too..

Any Hawks fan want to confirm?

Ya but thats because their contract were going to be up at the end of this year. Hes only played 1 year on his current contract

 

[.Hugo.]

with that being said, which teams out of all the 0-2 ones have the best chances of making the playoffs do you all think? anything can happen and I know its only week three, but all ive been hearing is teams who start off really bad rarely make deep runs.

Philly and indy. Simply because their divisions are shit

 

[bakedpow]

If i was on that team i wouldnt want that selfish prick back

yeah but its also been pretty apparent the hawks need him in the secondary. his replacement got gashed in the opener against the rams.

 

[Bogs]

So great how quickly the Seahawks seem to be imploding now that they handed out massive contracts to Lynch and Wilson, and now everyone else wants in too, it seems. Just gotta hope this continues so that the the average Seattle Seahawks fan and all his/her/its awfulness disappears back into the chic hipster melting pot from which he/she/it crawled forth.

It was pretty obvious that giving both Lynch and Wilson massive new contracts in the same year was a bad idea, but didn't think they would implode as a team this quickly. But it's also really early and tons of time for them to figure it out and turn it around, so who knows what will happen.

 

[bakedpow]

So great how quickly the Seahawks seem to be imploding now that they handed out massive contracts to Lynch and Wilson, and now everyone else wants in too, it seems. Just gotta hope this continues so that the the average Seattle Seahawks fan and all his/her/its awfulness disappears back into the chic hipster melting pot from which he/she/it crawled forth.

It was pretty obvious that giving both Lynch and Wilson massive new contracts in the same year was a bad idea, but didn't think they would implode as a team this quickly. But it's also really early and tons of time for them to figure it out and turn it around, so who knows what will happen.

i wouldnt call it imploding.... they have not been blown out and both games the hawks have shot themselves in the foot with penalties. they jumped on rodgers hard count way too many times and gave gb a couple free first downs which you cannot do with rodgers. the games have been close and a few stops different they would be 2-0...

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

i wouldnt call it imploding.... they have not been blown out and both games the hawks have shot themselves in the foot with penalties. they jumped on rodgers hard count way too many times and gave gb a couple free first downs which you cannot do with rodgers. the games have been close and a few stops different they would be 2-0...

Big issue on that team to me is the lack of O-Line. Graham is not a blocker, so you cannot count on him to pick up any slack, Lynch seems to be slowing down, and the WRs are just not performing.

 

[Bogs]

i wouldnt call it imploding.... they have not been blown out and both games the hawks have shot themselves in the foot with penalties. they jumped on rodgers hard count way too many times and gave gb a couple free first downs which you cannot do with rodgers. the games have been close and a few stops different they would be 2-0...

Or maybe Lynch has decided to call it in now that he's getting paid, Jimmy Graham is a bad fit, they have no good wide receivers, and the defense is more concerned about making sure they're also getting paid the right amount than actually playing as the tight-knit unit they try so hard to make the world believe they are.

Or maybe the Patriots just broke their minds after beating them in the Super Bowl. Like I said, we'll see, only time will tell.

 

[Bakeshow]

none of this matters..

Pats are going 16-0 then claiming SB50.

Tom will go down as the undisputed GOAT this season.

Yes, I do have a boner.

 

[GayWolf420]

god, detroits just starting to get depressing. what an awful football team.

 

[.Hugo.]

god, detroits just starting to get depressing. what an awful football team.

At least they dont look as bad as chicago lol. They legitimately might go 0-16 this year

 

[GayWolf420]

At least they dont look as bad as chicago lol. They legitimately might go 0-16 this year

Minnesota/Greenbay divisional game is something im cool with. God damn, the NFC north is abysmal, I always enjoyed seeing the lions beat the bears though. had a run-in with some douchebag Chicagoans at ford field as a little kid and have hated the fucking team ever since.

 

[KellyK]

#GoPackGo

 

[GayWolf420]

Rodgers is just unstoppable. Jesus Christ.

 

[KellyK]

Rodgers is just unstoppable. Jesus Christ.

He put on quite the show last night. Packers defense didn't look half bad either. Gonna be a good season.

 

[bakedpow]

Rodgers is just unstoppable. Jesus Christ.

its scary. he is so much smarter than anyone else on the field, its unreal.

 

[GayWolf420]

yeah you really cant hate on a dude like that when hes putting up over 300 yards passing with 5 touchdowns, that's like some madden shit right there.

 

[.Hugo.]

as much as i hate the packers a brady vs rodgers superbowl would be fun to watch

 

[scratchproteen]

as much as i hate the packers a brady vs rodgers superbowl would be fun to watch

as much as I also hate the packers, I agree with your statement.

 

[scratchproteen]

Hey Bronco fans, big game this Sunday. Vikings fan here, just curious what the overall impression is of the Vikes in Denver...like, are you heading into this game thinking 4 - 0 no problem? or is do people think it will be a tough match up?

Trying to see what people think of the Vikings outside of MN.

 

[bakedpow]

i think denver will come away with a win but it wont be easy. viks got a solid secondary, with some big hitters back there and denver is pretty one dimensional at this point. viks have a great running game, and they just need bridgewater to make completions. if he is consistent and doesnt turn it over there offense can move it. as long as they can keep denvers pass rush at bay it should be pretty interesting.

 

[GayWolf420]

Oh my fucking god, this is unreal.

 

[eheath]

Oh my fucking god, this is unreal.

I'm so fucking pissed they wont stop talking about this stupid illegal batting rule.

He did break the rule, but the ball was already going out, he didnt change direction, hell he barely touched it. I wish ESPN would chill the fuck out about trying to create drama about refs, it didn't effect the game who fucking cares.

 

[GayWolf420]

Well hopefully detroit can nab some good O-Line players in 2016. The OC needs to be fired, though. Lombardi's a dickbag and needs to give the playcalling back to Caldwell/stafford. This defense is decent but the O-line is soft as baby shit.

*insert Jim Mora's "playoffs?!?!?! Rant*

 

[bakedpow]

That's why you pay kam. I hope that play is something they can rally behind. Need more life if we have any hopes of righting this ship. That's just the best ss doing his job.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

I'm so fucking pissed they wont stop talking about this stupid illegal batting rule.

He did break the rule, but the ball was already going out, he didnt change direction, hell he barely touched it. I wish ESPN would chill the fuck out about trying to create drama about refs, it didn't effect the game who fucking cares.

It certainly did affect the game. The rule is a rule, just like the Tuck Rule was a rule. By ignoring it it drastically altered the outcome of the game and ultimately the season for both teams.

 

[Bogs]

I'm so fucking pissed they wont stop talking about this stupid illegal batting rule.

He did break the rule, but the ball was already going out, he didnt change direction, hell he barely touched it. I wish ESPN would chill the fuck out about trying to create drama about refs, it didn't effect the game who fucking cares.

Really? He barely touched it? The ball was a good 5 feet from the back of the endzone when Wright batted it. And it seemed like it has lost most, if not all, of its forward momentum at that point. Obviously Wright could have just caught it and taken a knee and it wouldn't have mattered, but how the ref can say that isn't intentional batting is beyond me. Goodell must have phoned that one in for the Seahawks, seeing as they and the Packers seem like the only two teams who can come remotely close to stopping the Patriots from winning another super bowl, and he needs to make sure they both make the playoffs before that can happen.

 

[.Hugo.]

That was a bad call and a horribly ugly monday night game.

 

[bakedpow]

i agree with eheath, slightly biased yes, but i think wright was way more focused on the fact they just won the game than what he was doing. yall are taking it the exxxtreme a bit

 

[.Hugo.]

i agree with eheath, slightly biased yes, but i think wright was way more focused on the fact they just won the game than what he was doing. yall are taking it the exxxtreme a bit

He admitted in an interview that he consciously hit it out on purpose because he was scared he would grab it and fumble it

 

[eheath]

It certainly did affect the game. The rule is a rule, just like the Tuck Rule was a rule. By ignoring it it drastically altered the outcome of the game and ultimately the season for both teams.

How did that effect the game? The ref didn't call the penalty because it would've given the lions an unfair advantage. Wright hitting the ball out of bounds didnt do anything to change the game, period.

 

[Peter.]

if both teams stay healthy, i can 100% see a packers patriots superbowl

go pack go

 

[BenWhit]

How did that effect the game? The ref didn't call the penalty because it would've given the lions an unfair advantage. Wright hitting the ball out of bounds didnt do anything to change the game, period.

It's not an unfair advantage if it's by the letter of the rule. It didn't change the game, but it may have altered the outcome. Calvin Johnson can't fumble that ball, end of story.

It is an illegal bat if:

a) any player bats or punches a loose ball in the field of play toward his opponent's goal line

b) any player bats or punches a loose ball (that has touched the ground) in any direction, if it is in either end zone

c) an offensive player bats a backward pass in flight toward his opponent's goal line

Exception: A forward pass in flight may be tipped, batted, or deflected in any direction by any eligible player at any time.

Note: If a forward pass that is controlled by a player prior to completing the catch is thrown forward, it is an illegal bat. If it is caught by a teammate or intercepted by an opponent, the ball remains alive. If it is not caught, the ball is dead when it hits the ground.

Wright illegally batted the ball, the Lions should have been given the ball at the 1-yd line with goal-to-go. You cannot arbitrarily say it's an unfair advantage when the advantage is given to the team by the rule. It the same advantage given to players with simultaneous possession, defensive PI, intentional grounding, etc. Punters kick the ball out the back of the end-zone and it results in a safety and forfeiture of possession, so the rules are not the same.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

How did that effect the game? The ref didn't call the penalty because it would've given the lions an unfair advantage. Wright hitting the ball out of bounds didnt do anything to change the game, period.

Did you read your second sentence? That is how it affected the game. If the ball had gone out of bounds on its own it would have been a touch back and the Seahawks ball. However, Wright forcibly moved the ball with his hand and aided the process, thereby bringing up the rule that states

"A player may not bat or punch:

(a) A loose ball (in field of play) toward his opponent's goal line or in any direction in either end zone.

(b) A ball in player possession."

It is not an "unfair" advantage for the Lions, Wright did a bone-headed thing and should have been punished for it.

 

[eheath]

It's not an unfair advantage if it's by the letter of the rule. It didn't change the game, but it may have altered the outcome. Calvin Johnson can't fumble that ball, end of story.

It is an illegal bat if:

a) any player bats or punches a loose ball in the field of play toward his opponent's goal line

b) any player bats or punches a loose ball (that has touched the ground) in any direction, if it is in either end zone

c) an offensive player bats a backward pass in flight toward his opponent's goal line

Exception: A forward pass in flight may be tipped, batted, or deflected in any direction by any eligible player at any time.

Note: If a forward pass that is controlled by a player prior to completing the catch is thrown forward, it is an illegal bat. If it is caught by a teammate or intercepted by an opponent, the ball remains alive. If it is not caught, the ball is dead when it hits the ground.

Wright illegally batted the ball, the Lions should have been given the ball at the 1-yd line with goal-to-go. You cannot arbitrarily say it's an unfair advantage when the advantage is given to the team by the rule. It the same advantage given to players with simultaneous possession, defensive PI, intentional grounding, etc. Punters kick the ball out the back of the end-zone and it results in a safety and forfeiture of possession, so the rules are not the same.

I completely understand the rule and there was a reason it wasn't called because it would've given the lions an unfair advantage.

Wright was acting like any one player would have acted, he got the ball away from the offense and he knew if the ball went out of the back of the end zone it would be a turnover and a touch back. They asked every veteran player on espn and in every interview in the post game with guys on the field and NONE of them knew that was illegal and said they would have done the same thing.

The point I'm making is that if Wright didn't touch the ball, it would've gone out of bounds. If he just didn't put his hand in front of him, it would've hit his body and gone out of bounds. If he wasn't there, 5 other dudes would've dove at the ball, from both teams and the likely result would've been the ball going out of bounds.

This is why i think calling that penalty would've resulted in an unfair advantage for the lions. They fumbled it at the 6inch line and the result of that play if the ball wasn't touched is it would've gone out of bounds. Wright didn't alter the path of the ball, shit he barely touched it. How pissed would people be if the ref called this pentaly, the lions got a second chance after calvin lost the ball, how would that be fair? Because of some bullshit technicality that didn't effect the game?

The ref recognized that what he did has zero effect on the game and didn't call it and I think it was a great no call.

 

[GayWolf420]

regardless of the outcome and rules being broken/refs fucking us over, each team has got some issues. no way in hell do you let your start QB get sacked 6 times like that, and no way in hell should a team with that much "talent" not produce any results. the lions before the half had about 169 rushing yards in FIFTHTEEN quarters of playing? that is a fucking joke when you consider dudes put up that many yards in a whole game. both teams have soft O-lines that are going to murder their quarterbacks, and Detroit couldn't contain Wilson out of the pocket. what the fuck is this, high school shit? fucking awful game all around, i surely wouldn't be satisfied with that win if i were a hawks fan, piss-poor efforts on both sides of the field.

 

[BrothsTopaz]

I'm a lions fan and I gotta tell ya. It was painful to watch that loss last night and the worst part is, our coach ha no fire to argue a call he knew was wrong. I don't believe in bad luck but the lions seriously have some bad something against them

 

[BenWhit]

I completely understand the rule and there was a reason it wasn't called because it would've given the lions an unfair advantage.

Wright was acting like any one player would have acted, he got the ball away from the offense and he knew if the ball went out of the back of the end zone it would be a turnover and a touch back. They asked every veteran player on espn and in every interview in the post game with guys on the field and NONE of them knew that was illegal and said they would have done the same thing.

The ref recognized that what he did has zero effect on the game and didn't call it and I think it was a great no call.

I understand what you're getting at, but the rules are the rules. It really doesn't matter what veteran players or analysts have to say about the play because their opinion or instinct has nothing to do with the application of the rule. You're deciding the rule is unfair based on the context of the game, and that's arbitrary.

There's holding on every play, but the holding penalties that are called are generally those that have a substantive impact on the play. There is pass interference, both offensive and defensive on every play, but only those that have a substantive impact on the play are called (I recognize the absurdity of that statement, but that's supposed to be the case. Wright illegally redirected the ball out of end zone, unfairly giving Seattle and unfair advantage and preventing both Lions & Seahawks players from gaining possession of the ball.

From a 100% objective standpoint (I have no rooting interest in either team), the Lions should have had the ball on the 1 with goal-to-go. A penalty is a penalty regardless of the down, time, yardage, or context. It should have been called.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

I completely understand the rule and there was a reason it wasn't called because it would've given the lions an unfair advantage.

Wright was acting like any one player would have acted, he got the ball away from the offense and he knew if the ball went out of the back of the end zone it would be a turnover and a touch back. They asked every veteran player on espn and in every interview in the post game with guys on the field and NONE of them knew that was illegal and said they would have done the same thing.

The point I'm making is that if Wright didn't touch the ball, it would've gone out of bounds. If he just didn't put his hand in front of him, it would've hit his body and gone out of bounds. If he wasn't there, 5 other dudes would've dove at the ball, from both teams and the likely result would've been the ball going out of bounds.

This is why i think calling that penalty would've resulted in an unfair advantage for the lions. They fumbled it at the 6inch line and the result of that play if the ball wasn't touched is it would've gone out of bounds. Wright didn't alter the path of the ball, shit he barely touched it. How pissed would people be if the ref called this pentaly, the lions got a second chance after calvin lost the ball, how would that be fair? Because of some bullshit technicality that didn't effect the game?

The ref recognized that what he did has zero effect on the game and didn't call it and I think it was a great no call.

It does not matter that it would have given the Lions an unfair advantage, it is a rule, just like the Tuck Rule. If it is a rule it should be called as such, regardless of circumstances. To not call it is just as unfair to the Lions as it is to the Seahawks is if it is called. The difference is that the Lions are supported by the rule book, the Seahawks are not.

Your claim it did not affect the game is absolutely BS. It had a MASSIVE effect because it gave the game to the Seahawks, turning them into a 2-2 team and the Lions an 0-4 team.

 

[Bogs]

The point I'm making is that if Wright didn't touch the ball, it would've gone out of bounds. If he just didn't put his hand in front of him, it would've hit his body and gone out of bounds. If he wasn't there, 5 other dudes would've dove at the ball, from both teams and the likely result would've been the ball going out of bounds.

Wright didn't alter the path of the ball, shit he barely touched it.

At the time Wright touches it, the ball had lost almost all of its forward momentum, it seems at least debatable whether or not it would have gone out of the endzone if Wright doesn't touch it. Not only that, but it looked like Theo Riddick was either the second or third closest person to the ball, and if Wright isn't there and doesn't bat it, he potentially could have gotten to it first and given the Lions a TD.

Watch the play again, I don't think it's as clear cut as you remember it being.

The important thing for us all to remember is that Goodell phoned in the call to make sure the Seahawks make it to the playoffs so they can have another shot at the Pats in the Super Bowl. Count on this to continue as Goodell does whatever it takes to stop Brady from winning another championship. I wouldn't be surprised if Belichick gets suspended for knowing this rule and having his team practice it when the rest of the league clearly doesn't. It simply isn't fair that Belichick drills his players on the rule book more carefully than the rest of the coaches in the league, and it certainly wouldn't be fair to punish the Seahawks for it, hence Goodell ordering the non-call.

 

[.Hugo.]

I completely understand the rule and there was a reason it wasn't called because it would've given the lions an unfair advantage.

Wright was acting like any one player would have acted, he got the ball away from the offense and he knew if the ball went out of the back of the end zone it would be a turnover and a touch back. They asked every veteran player on espn and in every interview in the post game with guys on the field and NONE of them knew that was illegal and said they would have done the same thing.

The point I'm making is that if Wright didn't touch the ball, it would've gone out of bounds. If he just didn't put his hand in front of him, it would've hit his body and gone out of bounds. If he wasn't there, 5 other dudes would've dove at the ball, from both teams and the likely result would've been the ball going out of bounds.

This is why i think calling that penalty would've resulted in an unfair advantage for the lions. They fumbled it at the 6inch line and the result of that play if the ball wasn't touched is it would've gone out of bounds. Wright didn't alter the path of the ball, shit he barely touched it. How pissed would people be if the ref called this pentaly, the lions got a second chance after calvin lost the ball, how would that be fair? Because of some bullshit technicality that didn't effect the game?

The ref recognized that what he did has zero effect on the game and didn't call it and I think it was a great no call.

Its a rule of the game. You cant just decide to sometimes not call a penalty. If its a penalty it ahould be called no matter the situation.

The head of referees, nfl and even pete carroll said it was a penalty

 

[GayWolf420]

I'm a lions fan and I gotta tell ya. It was painful to watch that loss last night and the worst part is, our coach ha no fire to argue a call he knew was wrong. I don't believe in bad luck but the lions seriously have some bad something against them

Total punch in the gut last night. Refs are a god damn joke in this league. Its going to be difficult for them to pull this season around after last night. At least hockeys back Friday so we can watch one detroit team win a few games at least.

 

[BrothsTopaz]

Total punch in the gut last night. Refs are a god damn joke in this league. Its going to be difficult for them to pull this season around after last night. At least hockeys back Friday so we can watch one detroit team win a few games at least.

definitely, man. ill be frank when i say that ive been living in socal for the past something years, so fell of the map of a "true" fan of the red wings, but given the circumstances - pistons arent hopeful, tigers are done, lions are most likely done, the red wings are something to look forward to. Michigan football is back too.

 

[BenWhit]

jeez, rough day for eheath today.

 

[skier_boy26]

Love me some Kam Chancellor, hold out notwithstanding

Seahawks [scrappy, ugly] win. Fuck y'all