2 wrongs don't make a right

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Ozemale

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have all the pro war people on this site forgotten the old saying 'two wrongs don't make a right'. I think that this is particularly applicable in the situation of the war in Iraq. Violence begets violence and by the end of this present war, as the president of Egypt said, 'Instead of having on Bin Laden, we will have 100'. This war is the epitome of horribly short sighted foreign policy, for every terrorist you kill you make terrorists of his children and you are not going to kill just terrorists, the nature of war is that innocent people are killed as well and their children are then prime targets for terrorist recruiters.

I'll admit that Saddam Hussein is a monster but please stop claiming that you are 'liberating' the Iraqi people. No-one gave a shite about the Iraqi people until it was in their interests to do so. in fact, the US government probably killed more innocent Iraqis over the last 12 years with their insistence to impose sanctions on vital medicines than Saddam Hussein killed in his entire reign. I think the figure is, conservatively, 20,000 people every year since the first Gulf war. Add them all up and you have 240,000 Iraqis killed by the policies of the US government. Anyway, i'll get down off me soapbox now.

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Ok, I'll agree with you about the US not caring untill they had something to gain, but at least we care now. Alot of other piss ass countrys are too fucking sally to step up and do something about it. And seriously protesting does nothing. What has protesting ever accomplished?-Alot of protesters to get their asses kicked.

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agreed and the US say that they will eliminate every threat?

and they see many countries as enemys not god... not god..

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Have you ever read Starship troopers, where the teacher is talking about how the fact that violence only causes more violence is Historically false.

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thats true however 2 rights do make a wrong.

look at the phrase 'yeah right' 2 positives forming a negative statment

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violence begets violence?....you puss. so if i went up to you and blasted you in the face with my fist then you would just be like well since two wrongs dont make a right i'll let this one slide? or how about if i bang the hell out of your mom?....two wrongs dont make a right? how about if a group of terrorists kill 3000 of your own people?....two wrongs dont make a right and we should just let it slide??? i dont think so. to live in fear is worst of all. thats the problems with you liberal pussies...your all touchy feely and you think everything can be solved through multifaceted forms of masturbastion when in fact an ass beating is what is in order. if you endorse two wrongs dont make a right then go live among the amish. if you choose to live in the real world then wake up and smell the nepalm.

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about the liberation thing...read this comic, its 'get fuzzy' by darb conley.

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SUpilot's right, how many of you liberal sausage smokers would let it go if somebody up and punched you out of nowhere? not many. now like he said, a group of terrorists kills 3000 of your people, are you gonna 'let it slide' or are you gonna try and eliminate the terrorist broups and their funding? now even if more terrorists are gonna come about, where the fuck is their money gonna come from? that's why iraq is such a shitty country, all their money goes to saddam and terrorist groups. once there is a fair political system, there's no more terrorist funding, end of story. there will still be terrorists, but they won't have any money to do shit

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EXACTLY!!! To give up cause you are afraid of spawning more is like taking it in the ass from your girlfriends strapon so that she doesnt get pregnant.

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the thing about iraq is their citizens are gay. all they do is bitch about saddam and how he's a shitty leader. but when the U.S comes in to help remove him they bitch to the U.S.A about how they don't need foreign involvement and they can handle their own business. so what it comes down to is the u.s.a can be scared of a full country ruled by a wacko or a few really pissed off individuals

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iraq has faced trade embargos for the past 12 years. these embargos have empoverished the people of iraq to no end. now, the same nation that emposed the sanctions is bombing their country. would it make ANY sense whatsoever for the people of iraq to trust the US to liberate them?!

 
yeah you have a point but did they try to get the embargos off? they could do much more and their really is no one to blame for their poor state besides themselves. cuba seems to be doing fine w/o the united states of america's trade

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i wish we could be cool it Cuba again. My friend went there for Spring Break and he said it was soooo tight.

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haha, that's because he stayed on the tourist friendly 'compound'.. venture off the tourist path, and the third world welcomes you.

as far as i understand, the embargos wouldn't be lifted until saddam is out of power. this is where the paradox begins. obviously the people of iraq want to be able to trade with other nations, but with saddam in power, it's impossible. at the same time, it's simply not right for the US to go into iraq and impose a western way of life on the arab people.

i'm not for war, and i'm not for saddam's leadership of iraq. if i thought that once saddam was out of power, the people of iraq would be left to form their own democratic givernment, i would be all for the US plan.. but, as i and many others believe, the US is acting completely out of self interest in this matter, and it is for this reason alone that i do not support their invasion of iraq.

 
yeah i highly doubt the U.S will let iraqis freely govern themselves. but they must keep troops around so a new dictator doesn't step in when they leave

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embargos, fuck that! if the governemt of Iraq REALLY wanted its citizens to have food, they could of HAD food.

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no, the embargos aren't the reason the iraqi people are poor. once again, it's SADDAM'S fault. as i have said before, every dime the iraqi government makes goes straight into saddam's pocket or towards the funding of terrorist groups. once saddam is out of power and money actually starts going to the people, they will be able to survive on their own. they will get government loans to start businesses, etc.

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yes, saddam puts every dime into terrorist groups. that's why there is no connection between al qaeda and iraq.

speaking of 'living in fear'... why is the US so gung ho about eliminating iraq?... probably because they are living in fear. no evidence of iraq attacks, yet..... we must kill them!

 
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alright just a few points about what some of you guys have said.

firstly, how can you say that starship troopers is a great political novel? it depicts a fascist society just about as oppressive as Hitlers regime, if thats how you want to live and be governed then you have serious problems.

secondly, what is so false about violence begetting violence? Osama bin laden kills 3000 americans, you guys go and kill heaps of afghanis and iraqis. and i'm willing to put money on the fact that after this war there are going to be far more terrorist attacks than there was before it. also, about the teacher in starship troopers saying that violence begets violence isn't historically supported, he is a member of a highly militaristic society, don't you think he'd be trying to justify his existence and the nature of the society he lives in?

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its not like there was a choice over what is idealy right to do, and what is realistic... im sure that everyone knows that war isnt 'right' when you look at it out of context... its not like the us is saying that it is a-okay to go and bomb out everwhere... they do it for a few reasons. a)they think it will increase the well being of the nation. they will probably install some government that will be economicly friendly, and they eliminate a factor that they see as a threat, weather you think it is reasonable or not. b) since when did this become about being everyones friend in the world? the govenment of any nation will act to improve that nation, weather it is through war, diplomacy, or clandestine channels... this is how things work. you are overly idealistic to think that countries are going to look out for the good of everyone all the time, especially when it may compromise their nation. essentially it is the duty of a government to look out for their nation in whatever way they see fit. you dont think that france and russia and germany are anti war because they are concerned about the human toll that will be exacted? give me a break. they are just as interested in the economic interests that they had in iraq as we are in the potential there. you think chirac is standing up and trying to swing his veto power because he beleives in the cause? maybe, but it is my undersdtanding that the majority of his time as president was marred by scandal and corruption... what better way to get back in favor with the people of france than to stand up to the americans? his postion is as transparent glass. if the preceeding were not true why are they so keen now to have a say in the rebuiling of iraq? to protect their interests... is there anything wrong with that? no. that is the duty of the german, french and russian governments. to look out for their countries. i dont understand people who think for a second that the base motivation of governments actions is 'how many civilians will die? ' i am sure that is considered, and i am sure that civilain casulties are kept as low as possible, but it will hardly deter actions that are seen as necissary in the larger scheme of things. and i have already posted in some other thread about the claim that terrorist attacks will only increase... there were a handfull of attacks that occured throughout the last ten years or so on american interests that were linked to islamic radical terrorists. none of them occured while the us was at war. all of them required extensive planning, and funding. how can a rouge terrorist get access to the materials necissary to conduct an act like the bombing of an embassy, or the 9/11 attacks? its gotta be tough to do alone. history has shown that all of these types of terror attacks have backing by a highly organized, highly funded organization. this is the aim of the iraqi war as far as protecting our homeland, and our interests overseas. the bottom line is that the terrorist attacks would have continued regardless, unless the trend of the past decade was about to mysteriously change. so in the end, you are right. two wrongs dont make a right, but it may better the condition of the united states. just as any other country is acting in such a way that they feel that their position will be bettered. that is really all there is to it.

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well said

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i like some of your points but in reference to the september 11 attacks, they didn't require any hi tech equiptment or any huge amounts of funding. All those terrorists did was got some basic flight training, took a couple of knives on board a jet and then flew it into some buildings, nothing too hi tech. even the first WTC bombing just used an ANFO bomb which are dead easy to make, we make them at home when we want to get rid of tree stumps on our farm.

also, people in the US seem to think that all Arabs hate them which isn't the case. Having been to the middle east i can say that the vast majority of arabs aren't extremists and want peace as much as anyone else but the US is going the right way about turning all of them into terrorists by going in and lording it over the middle east.

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Ozemale, I was refering to it as a great political novel BECAUSE ITS A GOOD STORY ABOUT A BAD POLITICAL SYSTEM. Not because its a good political system. You're putting WAY too much thought into too few words.

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haha, first off, i'm willing to put money that al queda is in connections with iraw, and second off, even if they're not, there are hundreds if not thousands of other terrorist groups

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i already made an extensive post abou the connection between iraq and al qaida. its called 'there is no connection between iraq and terrorists...' even though there really is. and when i say that i made an extensive post, what i really mean, is that i posted some article that showed that...

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There is probably much the same connection and prior involvement between Iraq and Al Queda as there is between Al Queda and America, probably quite a bit, there must be countless terrorists, former or current living in your own country. And America doesn't give a flying shit about the Iraqi public and the innocent civillians over there. You live in a neoliberalist society and you care about no one but your goddamn selves. That about sums it up.

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did you read my post? i think you must not have, otherwise you would realize that you have just restated what i have already said, although not quite as nicely.

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i agree, violence is the last resort of the incompetant.

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