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Maybe too early for this thread, but carbon Tyrolia frame binding out next year? On Riley Leboe's Instagram story, can't embed shit I'm on mobile
 
That binding has actually been around for a little while. Interesting idea, but having used the Fritschi bindings that also use a single bar instead of two (like the guardian, duke, aaadrenalin, etc.) I never liked how much play there was side to side, along with the increased stand height. The toe piece also seems way too minimal, although I guess it does have a slightly better pivot point.
https://www.tyrolia.com/en/technology/aaambition/carbon/

If you wanna save 200g, I'd probably just get Kingpins.

Interesting to see Riley on it though, figured for sled-accessed touring he'd just stick to the aaadrenalin/guardian/duke like the rest of the Seeking Nirvana crew.
 
13809998:patagonialuke said:
That binding has actually been around for a little while. Interesting idea, but having used the Fritschi bindings that also use a single bar instead of two (like the guardian, duke, aaadrenalin, etc.) I never liked how much play there was side to side, along with the increased stand height. The toe piece also seems way too minimal, although I guess it does have a slightly better pivot point.
https://www.tyrolia.com/en/technology/aaambition/carbon/

If you wanna save 200g, I'd probably just get Kingpins.

Interesting to see Riley on it though, figured for sled-accessed touring he'd just stick to the aaadrenalin/guardian/duke like the rest of the Seeking Nirvana crew.
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I don't see the point of frame AT bindings, even if they are made lighter. Besides being able to use the same boots you use in the park in the backcountry, what's the point? With the new fulltilt AT boots coming soon, there really won't be any point anymore from what I can tell. Tech AT bindings (Like Dynafit) will always be superior. I have guardians and they are set at the tightest dins and they still pop off too easy. I've never had my Dynafit come off while charging the backcountry.
 
13810202:VailValleySkier said:
I don't see the point of frame AT bindings, even if they are made lighter. Besides being able to use the same boots you use in the park in the backcountry, what's the point?
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Come SIA '18, the only people who will use frame bindings will be those people who want to tour in fully traditional alpine boots, which is like 7 people. There will be no other reason to use a frame binding.
 
13810375:onenerdykid said:
Come SIA '18, the only people who will use frame bindings will be those people who want to tour in fully traditional alpine boots..
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nah, those people will use DayMakers
 
13810375:onenerdykid said:
Come SIA '18, the only people who will use frame bindings will be those people who want to tour in fully traditional alpine boots, which is like 7 people. There will be no other reason to use a frame binding.
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Glad it's not just me who doesn't see the market for these products anywhere lol
 
13810375:onenerdykid said:
Come SIA '18, the only people who will use frame bindings will be those people who want to tour in fully traditional alpine boots, which is like 7 people. There will be no other reason to use a frame binding.
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You don't think they have a place for the people who snowmobile out to a remote location and then skin to their zone, especially if it is a sketchy one?

I know that population is small, but it's still there and I don't see it leaving.

You are the industry insider so you certainly would know better than me
 
13810202:VailValleySkier said:
I don't see the point of frame AT bindings, even if they are made lighter. Besides being able to use the same boots you use in the park in the backcountry, what's the point? With the new fulltilt AT boots coming soon, there really won't be any point anymore from what I can tell. Tech AT bindings (Like Dynafit) will always be superior. I have guardians and they are set at the tightest dins and they still pop off too easy. I've never had my Dynafit come off while charging the backcountry.
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That's an interesting experience with frame vs. tech bindings. I have had the opposite experience, and hear way more people complaining about pre-releases on tech bindings vs. frames.

That said, I do think frame bindings are pretty terrible to tour in other than for sled-accessed and/or very short tours where you're gonna be hucking and spinning a lot. I love my Dynafits for everything I do except for maybe sessioning a jump, but that's not something I do often so I'm happy to trade a small amount of downhill confidence for the significantly better uphill efficiency.

I think frame bindings will still hang around for the people that want one binding for resort and have the option to tour, which is why a lot of my friends that mostly ski resort just put frame bindings on their alpine skis. However, if Salomon/Atomic's new alpine/tech binding really does what it's supposed to, they may truly become obsolete. Already eager for next SIA.
 
The new pivot 18 free tour is a great option now for people who don't want to ski on pins. Which there is a market for despite what all the ski industry folk like to say. Of course they want to push there new pin tech. Which is why we see everybody and there mother skiing pins in the resort.
 
13810603:kirbstopper said:
The new pivot 18 free tour is a great option now for people who don't want to ski on pins. Which there is a market for despite what all the ski industry folk like to say. Of course they want to push there new pin tech. Which is why we see everybody and there mother skiing pins in the resort.
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MSRP: $650.00

Yea, so I don't see how that's a better or even more affordable option than the pin technology already out there?
 
13810607:VailValleySkier said:
MSRP: $650.00

Yea, so I don't see how that's a better or even more affordable option than the pin technology already out there?
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I didn't say better or more affordable. I just said its a good option for people who don't want to ski on pins. These people exist.
 
13810561:.MASSHOLE. said:
You don't think they have a place for the people who snowmobile out to a remote location and then skin to their zone, especially if it is a sketchy one?

I know that population is small, but it's still there and I don't see it leaving.

You are the industry insider so you certainly would know better than me
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That's why I prefaced my comment with "Come ISPO 18" ;)

But what boots are we talking about them using? True alpine boots, without tech inserts and without a walk mode? Then frame bindings make a bit of sense...

But if they have boots with tech inserts and walk mode, then they will no longer want to use a frame binding.

13810603:kirbstopper said:
The new pivot 18 free tour is a great option now for people who don't want to ski on pins. Which there is a market for despite what all the ski industry folk like to say. Of course they want to push there new pin tech. Which is why we see everybody and there mother skiing pins in the resort.
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Perhaps you're directing this at me, but either way, I never said people would be skiing on pins...
 
13810742:onenerdykid said:
That's why I prefaced my comment with "Come ISPO 18" ;)

But what boots are we talking about them using? True alpine boots, without tech inserts and without a walk mode? Then frame bindings make a bit of sense...

But if they have boots with tech inserts and walk mode, then they will no longer want to use a frame binding.

Perhaps you're directing this at me, but either way, I never said people would be skiing on pins...
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Bah, I should have known.

I mean, with the WTR soles it's possible people will still prefer frame, unless that new Salomon (and by proxy Atomic) binding comes to fruition and is as durable. I'm excited to see the changes in the "quiver of one" equipment moving forward. The boots are already there (just need to get that sweet progressive flex non-AT boots have ;p), skis too. Now it's just the binding
 
13812367:Sharko said:
No, because CAST is for AT boots. He's talking about people who want to tour with alpine boots.
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Easy enough to put a tech toe insert on a traditional alpine boot.
 
13812367:Sharko said:
No, because CAST is for AT boots. He's talking about people who want to tour with alpine boots.
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No, cast isn't just for AT boots. Learn yourself son.
 
13932540:powpatrol said:
Bump to this thread,any new rumours?
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18/19 is pretty much all known at this point, so not much to the rumor mill anymore.

19/20 is a little too early, but I will say this- people will lose their shit this year. I can't wait haha
 
13932598:onenerdykid said:
19/20 is a little too early, but I will say this- people will lose their shit this year. I can't wait haha
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Dude not again,you guys have already had a crazy season of new goodies
 
13810375:onenerdykid said:
Come SIA '18, the only people who will use frame bindings will be those people who want to tour in fully traditional alpine boots, which is like 7 people. There will be no other reason to use a frame binding.
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Well it will be easy to get cheap used frame bindings, presumably. That's enough reason to tour in traditional alpine boots if you have to save money everywhere you can. If you have 1 set of bindings for everything, frame bindings would be preferable to tech bindings imo.

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**This post was edited on Jul 19th 2018 at 10:31:16am
 
13932929:skiP.E.I. said:
Well it will be easy to get cheap used frame bindings, presumably. That's enough reason to tour in traditional alpine boots if you have to save money everywhere you can. If you have 1 set of bindings for everything, frame bindings would be preferable to tech bindings imo.

**This post was edited on Jul 19th 2018 at 10:28:27am

**This post was edited on Jul 19th 2018 at 10:31:16am
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Spend a day on Kingpins. With boots out like the Cochise or Ranger offering a lightweight 130 flex with tech inserts, we're getting to a point where you can use one set of boots and bindings for equal days of resort and touring.

inb4 Kingpins break - so do frame bindings.
 
13933135:RudyGarmisch said:
Spend a day on Kingpins. With boots out like the Cochise or Ranger offering a lightweight 130 flex with tech inserts, we're getting to a point where you can use one set of boots and bindings for equal days of resort and touring.

inb4 Kingpins break - so do frame bindings.
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I've seen the cochise walk mode fail on numerous occasions. It skis well, but operates horribly. It is well known for being stuck in walk mode due to icing up. Which is a horrible feeling on top of your line.

Also I dont think it's a great idea to push the narrative that kingpins have safe release characteristics for resort use. Theres enough of that marketing out there.

I feel like your point is valid, we are getting closer to no comprimise. You just used the wrong products to support. The shift or cast 1.0 (ive seen 2.0 tech toe fail alot) would have been a better example of full resort/backcontry setup with performance on each end including safe release.

For boots i think external walk modes like Hawx xtd, and Lupo have way more accsessibility for ice up issues. My friends currently tour in their cochises in ski mode full time.

Maybe im in the minority here but i feel like broken equipment in the backcountry can be life threatning, and should not be normalized. Ex. Kingpin toe pins shearing off during descent, a known and documented issue.

Sorry for going off a bit here. This is all just my personal opinion from experience with said products. Ive been touring on lupo/cast 1.0 for 4 years without issue. Alot of my friends can't say the same. Saying that I am stoked all of these companies are pushing the bar and trying to offer strong performance based backcountry gear with alot less comprimise.
 
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