100 Reasons Why Evolution is Stupid
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Ski_the_east01
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uh-oh creationists looks like were getting closer and closer everyday to dispoving god..keep thumping that bible as "proof"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_switzerland_antimatter
GENEVA – Scientists claimed a breakthrough Thursday in solving one of the biggest riddles of physics, successfully trapping the first "anti-atom" in a quest to understand what happened to all the antimatter that has vanished since the Big Bang.
An international team of physicists at the European Organization for Nuclear Research, or CERN, managed to create an atom of anti-hydrogen and then hold onto it for long enough to demonstrate that it can be studied in the lab.
"For us it's a big breakthrough because it means we can take the next step, which is to try to compare matter and antimatter," the team's spokesman, American scientist Jeffrey Hangst, told The Associated Press.
"This field is 20 years old and has been making incremental progress toward exactly this all along the way," he added. "We really think that this was the most difficult step."
For decades, researchers have puzzled over why antimatter seems to have disappeared from the universe.
Theory posits that matter and antimatter were created in equal amounts at the moment of the Big Bang, which spawned the universe some 13.7 billion years ago. But while matter — defined as having mass and taking up space — went on to become the building block of everything that exists, antimatter has all but disappeared except in the lab.
Hangst and his colleagues, who included scientists from Britain, Brazil, Canada, Israel and the United States, trapped 38 anti-hydrogen for about one tenth of a second, according to a paper submitted to the respected science journal Nature.
Since their first success, the team has managed to hold the anti-atoms even longer.
"Unfortunately I can't tell you how long, because we haven't published the number yet," Hangst told the AP. "But I can tell you that it's much, much longer than a tenth of a second. Within human comprehension on a real clock."
Scientists have long been able to create individual particles of antimatter such as anti-protons, anti-neutrons and positrons — the opposite of electrons. Since 2002, they have also managed to lump these particles together to form anti-atoms, but until recently none could be trapped for long enough to study them, because atoms made of antimatter and matter annihilate each other in a burst of energy upon contact.
"It doesn't help if they disappear immediately upon their creation," said Hangst. "So the big goal has been to hold onto them."
Two teams had been competing for that goal at CERN, the world's largest physics lab best known for its $10 billion smasher, the Large Hadron Collider. The collider, built deep under the Swiss-French border, wasn't used for this experiment.
Hangst's ALPHA team got there first, beating the rival ATRAP team led by Harvard physicist Gerald Gabrielse, who nevertheless welcomed the result.
"The atoms that were trapped were not yet trapped very long and in a very usable number, but one has to crawl before you sprint," he told the AP.
Many new techniques painstakingly developed over five years of experimental trial and error preceded the successful capture of anti-hydrogen.
To trap the anti-atoms inside an electromagnetic field and to stop them from annihilating atoms, researchers had to create anti-hydrogen at temperatures less than half a degree above absolute zero.
"Think of it as a marble rolling back and forth in a bowl," said Hangst. "If the marble is rolling too fast (i.e. the anti-atom is too hot) it just goes over the edge."
Next, scientists plan to conduct basic experiments on the anti-atom, such as shining a laser onto it and seeing how it behaves, he said.
"We have a chance to make a really precise comparison between a matter system and an antimatter system," he said, "That's unique, that's never been done. That's where we're headed now."
Hangst downplayed speculation that antimatter might someday be harnessed as a source of energy, or to create a powerful weapon, an idea popularized in Dan Brown's best-selling novel "Angels and Demons."
"It would take longer than the age of the universe to make one gram of antimatter," he said, calling the process "a losing proposition because it takes much more energy to make antimatter than you get out of it."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_switzerland_antimatter
GENEVA – Scientists claimed a breakthrough Thursday in solving one of the biggest riddles of physics, successfully trapping the first "anti-atom" in a quest to understand what happened to all the antimatter that has vanished since the Big Bang.
An international team of physicists at the European Organization for Nuclear Research, or CERN, managed to create an atom of anti-hydrogen and then hold onto it for long enough to demonstrate that it can be studied in the lab.
"For us it's a big breakthrough because it means we can take the next step, which is to try to compare matter and antimatter," the team's spokesman, American scientist Jeffrey Hangst, told The Associated Press.
"This field is 20 years old and has been making incremental progress toward exactly this all along the way," he added. "We really think that this was the most difficult step."
For decades, researchers have puzzled over why antimatter seems to have disappeared from the universe.
Theory posits that matter and antimatter were created in equal amounts at the moment of the Big Bang, which spawned the universe some 13.7 billion years ago. But while matter — defined as having mass and taking up space — went on to become the building block of everything that exists, antimatter has all but disappeared except in the lab.
Hangst and his colleagues, who included scientists from Britain, Brazil, Canada, Israel and the United States, trapped 38 anti-hydrogen for about one tenth of a second, according to a paper submitted to the respected science journal Nature.
Since their first success, the team has managed to hold the anti-atoms even longer.
"Unfortunately I can't tell you how long, because we haven't published the number yet," Hangst told the AP. "But I can tell you that it's much, much longer than a tenth of a second. Within human comprehension on a real clock."
Scientists have long been able to create individual particles of antimatter such as anti-protons, anti-neutrons and positrons — the opposite of electrons. Since 2002, they have also managed to lump these particles together to form anti-atoms, but until recently none could be trapped for long enough to study them, because atoms made of antimatter and matter annihilate each other in a burst of energy upon contact.
"It doesn't help if they disappear immediately upon their creation," said Hangst. "So the big goal has been to hold onto them."
Two teams had been competing for that goal at CERN, the world's largest physics lab best known for its $10 billion smasher, the Large Hadron Collider. The collider, built deep under the Swiss-French border, wasn't used for this experiment.
Hangst's ALPHA team got there first, beating the rival ATRAP team led by Harvard physicist Gerald Gabrielse, who nevertheless welcomed the result.
"The atoms that were trapped were not yet trapped very long and in a very usable number, but one has to crawl before you sprint," he told the AP.
Many new techniques painstakingly developed over five years of experimental trial and error preceded the successful capture of anti-hydrogen.
To trap the anti-atoms inside an electromagnetic field and to stop them from annihilating atoms, researchers had to create anti-hydrogen at temperatures less than half a degree above absolute zero.
"Think of it as a marble rolling back and forth in a bowl," said Hangst. "If the marble is rolling too fast (i.e. the anti-atom is too hot) it just goes over the edge."
Next, scientists plan to conduct basic experiments on the anti-atom, such as shining a laser onto it and seeing how it behaves, he said.
"We have a chance to make a really precise comparison between a matter system and an antimatter system," he said, "That's unique, that's never been done. That's where we're headed now."
Hangst downplayed speculation that antimatter might someday be harnessed as a source of energy, or to create a powerful weapon, an idea popularized in Dan Brown's best-selling novel "Angels and Demons."
"It would take longer than the age of the universe to make one gram of antimatter," he said, calling the process "a losing proposition because it takes much more energy to make antimatter than you get out of it."
saskskier
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Why does God and science have to be mutually exclusive?
I believe in God. I believe in the bible. I don't know enough about scientific processes or biology to comment on what is right or wrong, but I think of regardless of how it happened (*poof* it's there creation, big bang theory, evolution, etc) I believe God had something to do with it.
Also, regardless of what ends up being right, I will continue to believe in God. Perhaps it's irrational and illogical, but it doesn't particularly matter to me.
I believe in God. I believe in the bible. I don't know enough about scientific processes or biology to comment on what is right or wrong, but I think of regardless of how it happened (*poof* it's there creation, big bang theory, evolution, etc) I believe God had something to do with it.
Also, regardless of what ends up being right, I will continue to believe in God. Perhaps it's irrational and illogical, but it doesn't particularly matter to me.
H8CH
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I understand what your saying - But i do honestly think one day this sort of work will eventually prove that a god is impossible....
The thing that annoys me most, or what I just can never except, is that christianity is circa 2000 yrs old.... 2000! That is nothing, that's not even a grain of sand on a beach in terms of geological time..... yet, people believe it like it nothing else.... when the only rationale for that is "that's what faith is..."
The earliest hominids originated out of the East African rift valley (all early humans.... ) dating back to almost 2 million years ago (radio isotope dating of fossils)..... 2 MILLION years ago (that's for Homo Erectus by the way, first walking humans.....).... 2 million years, and concrete evidence...
I just do not understand how that can even be argued against.... it's overwhelming.... anyway, i am happy in the knowledge that when i close my eyes for the last time on this earth, i'll of had a great innings, and im happy with that being the end of that.... I'd hate to imagine the immense anticlimax heading the way of deeply religious folks when they close their eyes for the last time and it's all been a big made up story..... what about that for food for thought? That would scare me more then the thought of any kind of after life... as long as I continue to treat people in a civil and kind way.... surely all my bases are covered.... nuff said.
The thing that annoys me most, or what I just can never except, is that christianity is circa 2000 yrs old.... 2000! That is nothing, that's not even a grain of sand on a beach in terms of geological time..... yet, people believe it like it nothing else.... when the only rationale for that is "that's what faith is..."
The earliest hominids originated out of the East African rift valley (all early humans.... ) dating back to almost 2 million years ago (radio isotope dating of fossils)..... 2 MILLION years ago (that's for Homo Erectus by the way, first walking humans.....).... 2 million years, and concrete evidence...
I just do not understand how that can even be argued against.... it's overwhelming.... anyway, i am happy in the knowledge that when i close my eyes for the last time on this earth, i'll of had a great innings, and im happy with that being the end of that.... I'd hate to imagine the immense anticlimax heading the way of deeply religious folks when they close their eyes for the last time and it's all been a big made up story..... what about that for food for thought? That would scare me more then the thought of any kind of after life... as long as I continue to treat people in a civil and kind way.... surely all my bases are covered.... nuff said.
Tasche
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God and science are not mutually exclusive. Science and the bible are. And also your last sentence is pretty much what pisses all logical people off about your view point. You only believe what you believe because it was presented to you at a young age, and now you feel socially responsible to keep believing it. I can literally go passage by passage though the bible and prove it wrong.
You are wrong, organized religion is based on lies, we are a insignificant little rock floating is the unimaginable void that is the universe. God, as we vision it, is nothing more than a feeble attempt to justify our place in the universe. Life on earth is a footnote in the universe encyclopedia, humans existing probably wouldn't even be printed.
This is hard to hear, I know, its hard to accept. But it is reality. Keep living in your dream world (truth be told is is probably a lot better place to live) but know, deep down, that you are believing in a lie, and you lack the courage to live in reality.
You are wrong, organized religion is based on lies, we are a insignificant little rock floating is the unimaginable void that is the universe. God, as we vision it, is nothing more than a feeble attempt to justify our place in the universe. Life on earth is a footnote in the universe encyclopedia, humans existing probably wouldn't even be printed.
This is hard to hear, I know, its hard to accept. But it is reality. Keep living in your dream world (truth be told is is probably a lot better place to live) but know, deep down, that you are believing in a lie, and you lack the courage to live in reality.
monsterdong11
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this
but unfortunately no one who doesnt see eye to eye with you will agree or listen, sad thing about this thread is that not one persons mind will be changed after reading anything in here because in religion and science everyone thinks they are right already and is too close-minded to consider anything else.
but unfortunately no one who doesnt see eye to eye with you will agree or listen, sad thing about this thread is that not one persons mind will be changed after reading anything in here because in religion and science everyone thinks they are right already and is too close-minded to consider anything else.
Tasche
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I was literally just about to post this haha.
also a good book to check out is Brysons a short history by bill bryson, I am working my way thought it and he explains stuff pretty well for non scientific people because he is not a scientist. here is a quote on why the solar system is never drawn to scale.
If the solar system was drawn to scale, and the earth was reduced to the diameter of a pea, Jupiter would be over 1,000 feet away and Pluto would be a mile and a half away (and about the size of a bacterium, so you wouldn't be able to see it anyway). ~Bill Bryson.
also a good book to check out is Brysons a short history by bill bryson, I am working my way thought it and he explains stuff pretty well for non scientific people because he is not a scientist. here is a quote on why the solar system is never drawn to scale.
If the solar system was drawn to scale, and the earth was reduced to the diameter of a pea, Jupiter would be over 1,000 feet away and Pluto would be a mile and a half away (and about the size of a bacterium, so you wouldn't be able to see it anyway). ~Bill Bryson.
SCOO-WOOP
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While this is a valid argument, I disagree with some of what you're saying.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and no one should try to shoot them down as hard as you just did. Seems kinda fucked up to me.
"You are wrong, organized religion is based on lies, etc. etc." sounds a lot like "You are wrong, my god is the only god, your religion is a lie, etc. etc."
But seriously, fuck y'all. I'm Buddhist. Inward reflection + enlightenment + being the best person one can be FTW.
And I'm pretty sure science can't disprove that being the best you can be is a good thing.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and no one should try to shoot them down as hard as you just did. Seems kinda fucked up to me.
"You are wrong, organized religion is based on lies, etc. etc." sounds a lot like "You are wrong, my god is the only god, your religion is a lie, etc. etc."
But seriously, fuck y'all. I'm Buddhist. Inward reflection + enlightenment + being the best person one can be FTW.
And I'm pretty sure science can't disprove that being the best you can be is a good thing.
saskskier
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I believe what I believe because it is what I want to believe, not because it was presented to me at a young age. I'm a grown adult capable of making my own decisions and this is one of them.
People have been trying to discredit and prove the bible wrong since it was first published and yet it is by far the best selling book of all time. There are about 2 billion Christians on Earth right now. I like to think there must be something to it.
I think it's kind of ridiculous to claim I'm not living in reality. I don't live in some little bubble that hides the world from me.
I'm not trying to assert my beliefs on you. I'm not telling you what you believe is wrong. I'm simply saying what I believe. I don't think it's hurting anyone and don't understand why it's such a big deal.
People have been trying to discredit and prove the bible wrong since it was first published and yet it is by far the best selling book of all time. There are about 2 billion Christians on Earth right now. I like to think there must be something to it.
I think it's kind of ridiculous to claim I'm not living in reality. I don't live in some little bubble that hides the world from me.
I'm not trying to assert my beliefs on you. I'm not telling you what you believe is wrong. I'm simply saying what I believe. I don't think it's hurting anyone and don't understand why it's such a big deal.
Tasche
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Don't care what you believe, really could give a shit less. Just want you to know that I can prove what you believe to be incorrect.
And majority of people believing in something does not necessarily give it legitimacy. At some point most people thought the earth was flat, that Zeus ruled the heavens with lightening bolts, that the stars were dead ancestors, and that the sun rotated around the earth.
So in conclusion, I don't respect your beliefs. When you can show me some repeatable evidence for your beliefs then maybe we can work something out. I don't care what you believe but I still reserve the right to say that everything you believe in is garbage and then leave it open to you to prove me wrong.
And majority of people believing in something does not necessarily give it legitimacy. At some point most people thought the earth was flat, that Zeus ruled the heavens with lightening bolts, that the stars were dead ancestors, and that the sun rotated around the earth.
So in conclusion, I don't respect your beliefs. When you can show me some repeatable evidence for your beliefs then maybe we can work something out. I don't care what you believe but I still reserve the right to say that everything you believe in is garbage and then leave it open to you to prove me wrong.
exile_ch
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And funny thing is, when those "beliefs" were proven wrong, it was the Church who wasn't so happy.
Quiet honestly, I'm pretty sure religions will cease to exist at one point or an other in the future.. It might take an other thousand years for it to disapear, but it will. I'm just sad that I won't be there to see the end of that delusional brainwashing machine that is religions.
Quiet honestly, I'm pretty sure religions will cease to exist at one point or an other in the future.. It might take an other thousand years for it to disapear, but it will. I'm just sad that I won't be there to see the end of that delusional brainwashing machine that is religions.
AwR
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.....And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
IMO I am siding with John, Albert, and some rando.
Lennon's thoughts on this(no religion=win)
Einstein's thoughts (it is so egotistical to think there is a guaranteed place we go after death...or something along those lines)
Random tribal people in Africa thoughts on this (who the fuck cares but lets dance to some awesome music cause it is almost Friday! Everybody wang chung tonight).
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Note kamesjelly's opinion are mainly his and please do not take anything he says remotely serious. TEAMOCIL!
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
IMO I am siding with John, Albert, and some rando.
Lennon's thoughts on this(no religion=win)
Einstein's thoughts (it is so egotistical to think there is a guaranteed place we go after death...or something along those lines)
Random tribal people in Africa thoughts on this (who the fuck cares but lets dance to some awesome music cause it is almost Friday! Everybody wang chung tonight).
.
Note kamesjelly's opinion are mainly his and please do not take anything he says remotely serious. TEAMOCIL!
fsscott
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Really, it doesn't matter to you?
You're spending 1/7th of your life ( saying sundays you spend in church ) and giving away money you could be spending on more positive things like weed and video games.
How in the hell could that not matter as to what happened and whether it's right or just a myth?
You're spending 1/7th of your life ( saying sundays you spend in church ) and giving away money you could be spending on more positive things like weed and video games.
How in the hell could that not matter as to what happened and whether it's right or just a myth?
Emma_Watson
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40 seconds in i raged.
A_Harrington
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i went to church with my friend last week even though im an athiest. according to his ccd teacher atheists are the farthest away from gods heart. i laughed the entire time
vailsux.com
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False.
vailsux.com
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Sometimes the things that may or may not be true are the things that a man needs to believe in the most.
fsscott
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This is true, but that more applies to science related things.
Believing as to whether or not jesus rode a unicorn into space doesn't really help anything happening now. You're wasting your time. Take the messages from the Bible, but don't take it literally. Taking it literally misses the whole bloody point.
Believing as to whether or not jesus rode a unicorn into space doesn't really help anything happening now. You're wasting your time. Take the messages from the Bible, but don't take it literally. Taking it literally misses the whole bloody point.
vailsux.com
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wonderfully put.