TheButterHashira
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Fundamentalism of any religion can be dangerous. God it is shit like this that makes me think that God exists but just doesn't really pay attention to us.
100 Greatest Quotes from fundamentalist christian chat rooms
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TheButterHashira
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Religious hatred is a bitch
"I honestly don't care about your rights. If it were up to me, all
Atheists would be burnt at the stake and or cast into a river with
weights tied to their ankles and or placed before the firing squad, etc
etc etc."
The perfect argument against evolution. Why didn't I think of this?
"
How can anyone beleive we evolved from monkeys heres a few questions for people who beleive that
1.If we did evolve from monkeys then how come babies arent born monkeys
2.Even Darwin said his theories were wrong before he died so why do you still believe them
3.do you really not believe the bible it says we were created in seven days not millions of years
4.how come we cant speak monkey
Just for a fact ape like creatures are monkeys Just in case certain people get on this thread"
And here is why pro life people are nut
"A woman wants to abort a rape child? She should have thought of that
before she walked down that dark alley without a male prescence, not to
mention she should have thought before putting on revealing attire.
[Yes. It should (be legal). Otherwise you're screwing over the women who don't deserve their fate.]
Are you calling them victims now? Should've stayed in the house where it's safe."
"I honestly don't care about your rights. If it were up to me, all
Atheists would be burnt at the stake and or cast into a river with
weights tied to their ankles and or placed before the firing squad, etc
etc etc."
The perfect argument against evolution. Why didn't I think of this?
"
How can anyone beleive we evolved from monkeys heres a few questions for people who beleive that
1.If we did evolve from monkeys then how come babies arent born monkeys
2.Even Darwin said his theories were wrong before he died so why do you still believe them
3.do you really not believe the bible it says we were created in seven days not millions of years
4.how come we cant speak monkey
Just for a fact ape like creatures are monkeys Just in case certain people get on this thread"
And here is why pro life people are nut
"A woman wants to abort a rape child? She should have thought of that
before she walked down that dark alley without a male prescence, not to
mention she should have thought before putting on revealing attire.
[Yes. It should (be legal). Otherwise you're screwing over the women who don't deserve their fate.]
Are you calling them victims now? Should've stayed in the house where it's safe."
pmills
Active member
funny you mention gravity. I'm sure you're familiar with Newton and the apple, however Newton was actually better know as a theologen than a physisist. As his work in the field of physiscs progressed, he ended up comming to the conclusion that he could not accept his ordination as priest by trinity college. Maybe his example shows you that to fully believe in God, you have to reject a lot of science.
to spell things out for you : Gravity according to a peroson of religious conviction would have to believe that it is a force that is a product of God, not a mundane fundemental force of the universe that is explainable without God's help.
Gravity is explainable without God -- therefore it is hersay according to faith.
to spell things out for you : Gravity according to a peroson of religious conviction would have to believe that it is a force that is a product of God, not a mundane fundemental force of the universe that is explainable without God's help.
Gravity is explainable without God -- therefore it is hersay according to faith.
wilkesyachtingco
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lots of things are explainable without god or with god. that doesnt really answer my question at all.
you made an absurd statement. thats all... no big deal.
you made an absurd statement. thats all... no big deal.
TheButterHashira
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I kind of believe that god breathes life into the forces and everything we see in nature. Guys like Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, and Voltaire all believed that Gods only divine revelation was nature and that he breathed life into but pretty much left humans alone. I don't agree fully with those men but I do agree that a higher power may very well breath life into nature. I am pretty sure that newton became a Deist later in life.
charmander
Active member
A woman wants to abort a rape child? She should have thought of that before she walked down that dark alley without a male prescence, not to mention she should have thought before putting on revealing attire.
[Yes. It should (be legal). Otherwise you're screwing over the women who don't deserve their fate.]
Are you calling them victims now? Should've stayed in the house where it's safe.
[Yes. It should (be legal). Otherwise you're screwing over the women who don't deserve their fate.]
Are you calling them victims now? Should've stayed in the house where it's safe.
C-Burg
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One of the most basic laws in the universe is the Second Law of Thermodynamics. This states that as time goes by, entropy in an environment will increase. Evolution argues differently against a law that is accepted EVERYWHERE BY EVERYONE. Evolution says that we started out simple, and over time became more complex. That just isn't possible: UNLESS there is a giant outside source of energy supplying the Earth with huge amounts of energy. If there were such a source, scientists would certainly know about it.
LOL, entropy does state that things go from simple to complex. And that giant source of outside energy is called the sun, they are all idiots.
I dont mind religion but when it is taken to far, god damn
LOL, entropy does state that things go from simple to complex. And that giant source of outside energy is called the sun, they are all idiots.
I dont mind religion but when it is taken to far, god damn
uosdwiSrjewoH
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this was soo funny, but i think the funniest think was ROFLCAUST, that or how it's easier for gays to fund people who will give them the "5 finger anal salute" living in the society that we do.
Skierguy1234
Active member
I'm a christian, but i do not agree with all of the things they're doing these days.
i believe they're outdated, thats all.
i believe they're outdated, thats all.
pmills
Active member
The only absurd statements here are those of religious faith.
You asked how one is not suppose to believe in gravity if they are believers in scripture. Gravity is a force uncontrolled by God. Before there was Newtonian physics, individuals of religious faith held to the notion that it was part of God's power to hold things together. You can find in the quotes how one individual claims that there is no gravity, and that things are held down by the weight of sin... This I’m sure he developed using scripture, and not scientific reasoning.
My claim is that religious moderation is less justifiable than religious fundamentalism. Fundamentalists at least adhere to all of the claims within their religious texts. Moderates pick and choose convenient articles of faith, as well as ignore bits of secular knowledge to create a world view to their liking.
If religion addresses a genuine sphere of understanding and human necessity, then it should be susceptible to progress; its doctrines should become more useful, rather than less.
You asked how one is not suppose to believe in gravity if they are believers in scripture. Gravity is a force uncontrolled by God. Before there was Newtonian physics, individuals of religious faith held to the notion that it was part of God's power to hold things together. You can find in the quotes how one individual claims that there is no gravity, and that things are held down by the weight of sin... This I’m sure he developed using scripture, and not scientific reasoning.
My claim is that religious moderation is less justifiable than religious fundamentalism. Fundamentalists at least adhere to all of the claims within their religious texts. Moderates pick and choose convenient articles of faith, as well as ignore bits of secular knowledge to create a world view to their liking.
If religion addresses a genuine sphere of understanding and human necessity, then it should be susceptible to progress; its doctrines should become more useful, rather than less.
skithesprings
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How can anyone beleive we evolved from monkeys heres a few questions for people who beleive that
1.If we did evolve from monkeys then how come babies arent born monkeys
4.how come we cant speak monkey
oh damn thats funny....
1.If we did evolve from monkeys then how come babies arent born monkeys
4.how come we cant speak monkey
oh damn thats funny....
freestyler540
Active member
that sucks lol
TheButterHashira
Active member
haha one came from
2007rapture.com
needless to say the site is down.
2007rapture.com
needless to say the site is down.
almostaskier
Active member
Are you kidding me? Are you seriously kidding me?
Christians believe that God, an eternal being, on par with any other eternal "concepts" anyone has ever advanced for the advent of the universe and all things, created the physical realm of the world, meaning gravity. The idiots who think that gravity is some "pull from God" or whatever are mistaken, it is a physical force that acts in the world irrespective of God's active influence, since he set it into being, if he indeed does exists and did create the world... Gravity is not heresy to ANY SINGLE THEOLOGICAL POSITION in the Bible... HOW can you criticize idiots about their lunacy when you are about as uninformed about matters of faith as you can get.
Hey guys, let's say you have a group of people, "Christians", and a group of observers who don't know anything about the group other than what they can observe of the aforementioned group (in this case, that'd be you, because you guys would rather have a messed up view of something than try to understand if what they see reflects the reality of the doctrine).
So, this group has nearly two billion people assimilating themselves with it. A large portion of which resides in a country where people can get away with being absolutely ignorant about the lives and dynamics of everyone and everything else around them because a self centered view of the world. Now, given the complexity of much of the doctrine outside of the basic tenants of the faith, or the supposition that one knows something simply by having an opinion, it is not surprising that a large majority of the population of the group doesn't understand shit about the actual religion, or says blatantly moronic things that do not follow from the faith at all. Though they may technically be a part of the group, they hardly represent what the group stands for, but because idiots are the majority in every segment of the population, and people love to ridicule and slander people for stupidity, that's what gets the most attention.
Now, you, the holier than thou observer, see idiocy and blatant bigotry within the group, and therefore dismiss the entirety of it because of marginal though numerous idiots that do not represent the true nature of the group at all.
To show you an example: All Americans are fat pieces of worthlessness, and about as bright as a light bulb been held back kindergarten. I say this because of miss south carolina and the fat slobs at the food court.
Unfair right? But if you call yourself an American, you must hold these to be true, because the majority is full of junk (food). To say you don't think that is to say that you aren't an actual american.
Hey guys, what these people are saying on there doesn't reflect any sort of actual Christian doctrine. I'm glad you guys are so open minded as to not even attempt to see these for what they are: blatant stupidity, or marvelous satire. Need i direct you http://www.landoverbaptist.org ? That's comedy...
ALL MUSLIMS ARE SUICIDE BOMBER JIHADISTS!!!!!!!! I SAY THIS BECAUSE SOME HAVE DONE THIS! IM BEING TOTALLY FAIR! MAY THEY ALL BURN IN HELL! THEY SCARE ME!!!!
Are you guys seeing what you look like?
Christians believe that God, an eternal being, on par with any other eternal "concepts" anyone has ever advanced for the advent of the universe and all things, created the physical realm of the world, meaning gravity. The idiots who think that gravity is some "pull from God" or whatever are mistaken, it is a physical force that acts in the world irrespective of God's active influence, since he set it into being, if he indeed does exists and did create the world... Gravity is not heresy to ANY SINGLE THEOLOGICAL POSITION in the Bible... HOW can you criticize idiots about their lunacy when you are about as uninformed about matters of faith as you can get.
Hey guys, let's say you have a group of people, "Christians", and a group of observers who don't know anything about the group other than what they can observe of the aforementioned group (in this case, that'd be you, because you guys would rather have a messed up view of something than try to understand if what they see reflects the reality of the doctrine).
So, this group has nearly two billion people assimilating themselves with it. A large portion of which resides in a country where people can get away with being absolutely ignorant about the lives and dynamics of everyone and everything else around them because a self centered view of the world. Now, given the complexity of much of the doctrine outside of the basic tenants of the faith, or the supposition that one knows something simply by having an opinion, it is not surprising that a large majority of the population of the group doesn't understand shit about the actual religion, or says blatantly moronic things that do not follow from the faith at all. Though they may technically be a part of the group, they hardly represent what the group stands for, but because idiots are the majority in every segment of the population, and people love to ridicule and slander people for stupidity, that's what gets the most attention.
Now, you, the holier than thou observer, see idiocy and blatant bigotry within the group, and therefore dismiss the entirety of it because of marginal though numerous idiots that do not represent the true nature of the group at all.
To show you an example: All Americans are fat pieces of worthlessness, and about as bright as a light bulb been held back kindergarten. I say this because of miss south carolina and the fat slobs at the food court.
Unfair right? But if you call yourself an American, you must hold these to be true, because the majority is full of junk (food). To say you don't think that is to say that you aren't an actual american.
Hey guys, what these people are saying on there doesn't reflect any sort of actual Christian doctrine. I'm glad you guys are so open minded as to not even attempt to see these for what they are: blatant stupidity, or marvelous satire. Need i direct you http://www.landoverbaptist.org ? That's comedy...
ALL MUSLIMS ARE SUICIDE BOMBER JIHADISTS!!!!!!!! I SAY THIS BECAUSE SOME HAVE DONE THIS! IM BEING TOTALLY FAIR! MAY THEY ALL BURN IN HELL! THEY SCARE ME!!!!
Are you guys seeing what you look like?
almostaskier
Active member
Can someone get banned for this kind of talk? No?
Skavengers303
Member
they should....this whole thread became rediculus. it is halarious what these hard core crazzy christain wrote but not ever christain is like that. all this talk about killing all the christains and how all christans are dumb is being just as close minded as the people how made these qoutes. Religon acually does alot to help society. what is wrong with something that scares people into being moraly good people. religion teaches people not to steal, hurt others, lie, and much more. plus religion give people something to fall back on when their down. it gives alot of people hope.
PS. i am an Athiest
PS. i am an Athiest
emopoppins
Active member
i hate some people.
fragglemuffin
Active member
and all of those quotes are from the parents of the kids who you hear on the news killing everyone around them then committing suicide....
pmills
Active member
I am not kidding you. And you cannot speak on behalf of every christian. You speak only from your point of view, I argue from the basis of the bible, and from centuries of "idiots" who believe exactly what i said they believed. Your modern day take on things is as coherent as saying the flying sphagetti monster created the universe.
if you go by the basic fundamental belief as the bible as the literal word of God (as you must because that is the only way to argue with religion), then yes, it is, along with many other matters of scientific theory/fact.
(You really saying that the bible is compatible with modern day science-- it's not)
If the theory of gravity was something that is compatible with the doctrine of faith in the bible than Isaac Newton would have been ordained as a priest.
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To defend my self
If religion were benign, I would have no quarrels with it. However it is not. Do I need to run through a list of 'evils' done in the name of religion?
well I will for you:
Recent conflicts where religion was the explicit cause of millions of deaths
Palestine -- Jews vs. Muslim
Balkans -- Orthodox Serbians v Catholic Croatians; Orthodox Serbians v. Bosnian & Albanian Muslims
Northern Ireland -- Protestant v Catholic
Kashmir -- Muslim v. Hindu
Sudan-- Muslim v. Christian
Nigeria-- Muslim v. Christian
Ethiopia & Eritrea -- Muslim v. Christian
Sri Lanka- Sinhalese Buddhists v Tamil Hindus
Indonesia -- Muslim v. Timorese Christians
Not to hate on any one in particular-- many Muslims are basically rational and tolerant of others, however I doubt that this stems from their faith
Maybe you'd care to defend Muslim faith against a few of these examples --
(and mind you I’m not asking that Muslims burn in hell, I’m asking for religious faith that allows for these events to occur to go the way of Thor, Ra, Ares and any other ancient God you can think of...)
"mothers were skewered on swords as their children watched. Young women were stripped and raped in broad daylight... then set on fire. A pregnant woman's belly was slit open, her fetus raised skyward on the tip of sword and tossed onto one of the fires that blazed across the city."
actual occurrence describes the violence that occurred between Hindus and Muslims in India during the winter of 2002 * (C.W. DUgger, "Religious Riots Loom over Indian Politics" New York Times July 27, 2002)
Rioting in Nigeria over the 2002 Miss World Pageant claimed over two hundred lives, at the blade of machetes or burned alive all in the name of stopping women from appearing in bikinis.
In 2002 religious police in Mecca prevented paramedics and firefighters from rescuing teenage girls trapped in a burning building because they were not wearing the traditional head coverings specified in the Koran. 14 dead, 50 injured.
** LA times, March 18, 2002
Do you remember what Afghanistan was like under the Taliban? The creatures walking about in shrouds and being regularly beaten for showing an exposed ankle were the dignified and illiterate women of the house of Islam.
Islam is not the only religion guilty here. Given it may be one of the few whose moral code is still stuck in the Middle Ages.
Christianity is responsible for the 40 - 50,000 killing of witches during the three centuries of the inquisition.
While Nazism evolved out of economic and political factors, it was held together by the belief of the racial purity and superiority of the German people. The hatred for the Jew’s in Germany was expressed as predominately secular; it was a direct inheritance from medieval Christianity. (Even before Hitler in 1861-1895 German anti-Semites offered 'solutions' to the 'Jewish problem' by advocating physical exterminatiion.
Fun facts about heresy
-- 1907 pope pius X declares modernism a heresy.
-- 1992 Galileo absolved of heresy
-- Hitler Never excommunicated.
I'm not against individuals, I’m against religious faith. Religious faith is not open to change; it is not open to discussion. I cannot criticize it without you jumping down my throat and calling me a bigot, and intolerant.
I believe it good to be intolerant of individuals like Hitler, and to be intolerant of institutions that promote the death and killing of others. You should not be tolerant of individuals who hold God hates fags posters at soldier's burials. Religion needs to go, we are ready and capable of new thoughts, new morals, and every other part of our life has progressed immensely, religion has not kept up.
if you go by the basic fundamental belief as the bible as the literal word of God (as you must because that is the only way to argue with religion), then yes, it is, along with many other matters of scientific theory/fact.
(You really saying that the bible is compatible with modern day science-- it's not)
If the theory of gravity was something that is compatible with the doctrine of faith in the bible than Isaac Newton would have been ordained as a priest.
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To defend my self
If religion were benign, I would have no quarrels with it. However it is not. Do I need to run through a list of 'evils' done in the name of religion?
well I will for you:
Recent conflicts where religion was the explicit cause of millions of deaths
Palestine -- Jews vs. Muslim
Balkans -- Orthodox Serbians v Catholic Croatians; Orthodox Serbians v. Bosnian & Albanian Muslims
Northern Ireland -- Protestant v Catholic
Kashmir -- Muslim v. Hindu
Sudan-- Muslim v. Christian
Nigeria-- Muslim v. Christian
Ethiopia & Eritrea -- Muslim v. Christian
Sri Lanka- Sinhalese Buddhists v Tamil Hindus
Indonesia -- Muslim v. Timorese Christians
Not to hate on any one in particular-- many Muslims are basically rational and tolerant of others, however I doubt that this stems from their faith
Maybe you'd care to defend Muslim faith against a few of these examples --
(and mind you I’m not asking that Muslims burn in hell, I’m asking for religious faith that allows for these events to occur to go the way of Thor, Ra, Ares and any other ancient God you can think of...)
"mothers were skewered on swords as their children watched. Young women were stripped and raped in broad daylight... then set on fire. A pregnant woman's belly was slit open, her fetus raised skyward on the tip of sword and tossed onto one of the fires that blazed across the city."
actual occurrence describes the violence that occurred between Hindus and Muslims in India during the winter of 2002 * (C.W. DUgger, "Religious Riots Loom over Indian Politics" New York Times July 27, 2002)
Rioting in Nigeria over the 2002 Miss World Pageant claimed over two hundred lives, at the blade of machetes or burned alive all in the name of stopping women from appearing in bikinis.
In 2002 religious police in Mecca prevented paramedics and firefighters from rescuing teenage girls trapped in a burning building because they were not wearing the traditional head coverings specified in the Koran. 14 dead, 50 injured.
** LA times, March 18, 2002
Do you remember what Afghanistan was like under the Taliban? The creatures walking about in shrouds and being regularly beaten for showing an exposed ankle were the dignified and illiterate women of the house of Islam.
Islam is not the only religion guilty here. Given it may be one of the few whose moral code is still stuck in the Middle Ages.
Christianity is responsible for the 40 - 50,000 killing of witches during the three centuries of the inquisition.
While Nazism evolved out of economic and political factors, it was held together by the belief of the racial purity and superiority of the German people. The hatred for the Jew’s in Germany was expressed as predominately secular; it was a direct inheritance from medieval Christianity. (Even before Hitler in 1861-1895 German anti-Semites offered 'solutions' to the 'Jewish problem' by advocating physical exterminatiion.
Fun facts about heresy
-- 1907 pope pius X declares modernism a heresy.
-- 1992 Galileo absolved of heresy
-- Hitler Never excommunicated.
I'm not against individuals, I’m against religious faith. Religious faith is not open to change; it is not open to discussion. I cannot criticize it without you jumping down my throat and calling me a bigot, and intolerant.
I believe it good to be intolerant of individuals like Hitler, and to be intolerant of institutions that promote the death and killing of others. You should not be tolerant of individuals who hold God hates fags posters at soldier's burials. Religion needs to go, we are ready and capable of new thoughts, new morals, and every other part of our life has progressed immensely, religion has not kept up.
jimmychung
Active member
true christians should only read english...???
i hate people like this! it makes me so sick to my stomach! i like to think that God and Jesus are looking down on these people saying "dude....what a bunch of frigging nutjobs."
you would think a "true Christian" would know that Jesus never spoke a word of english in his life.
i hate people like this! it makes me so sick to my stomach! i like to think that God and Jesus are looking down on these people saying "dude....what a bunch of frigging nutjobs."
you would think a "true Christian" would know that Jesus never spoke a word of english in his life.
user098123
Active member
To estcst...
While yes, the bible is important and the word of God, you don't have to take it literally.
Personally, I am a Christian. There are two things that may set me apart though. Firstly, I believe the Bible to be more of a guide. I am fully aware that alot of people feel it should be followed exactly. I however, feel that it is some part truth, and the rest lessons and moral guidelines to live your life by. I certainly do not believe everyword is true, nor do I follow it literally to a T. Did Noah's Ark actually happen? Ehh probably not, but it has valuable life lessons in it. The bible has been tampered with so much throughout history that I cannot feasibly consider it completely truthful.
The other is that i don't believe in the church. Alot of people would feel that this makes me not a christian, however, I believe it is not necessary.
In my beliefs, all it requires of you to be a Christian is to acknowledge that God is the Creator, accept JC as your savior and lead as good a life as possible.
Alot of Christians would disagree with me, alot would agree with me. It just depends who you talk to. Arguing that the forces of the universe disprove that there is a God is absolutely retarded, and a completely irrelevant argument.
While yes, the bible is important and the word of God, you don't have to take it literally.
Personally, I am a Christian. There are two things that may set me apart though. Firstly, I believe the Bible to be more of a guide. I am fully aware that alot of people feel it should be followed exactly. I however, feel that it is some part truth, and the rest lessons and moral guidelines to live your life by. I certainly do not believe everyword is true, nor do I follow it literally to a T. Did Noah's Ark actually happen? Ehh probably not, but it has valuable life lessons in it. The bible has been tampered with so much throughout history that I cannot feasibly consider it completely truthful.
The other is that i don't believe in the church. Alot of people would feel that this makes me not a christian, however, I believe it is not necessary.
In my beliefs, all it requires of you to be a Christian is to acknowledge that God is the Creator, accept JC as your savior and lead as good a life as possible.
Alot of Christians would disagree with me, alot would agree with me. It just depends who you talk to. Arguing that the forces of the universe disprove that there is a God is absolutely retarded, and a completely irrelevant argument.
dmc12380
Active member
One theory is that the pre-Flood Earth had a canopy of ice above it
that squeezed the atmosphere down to, say, 15 miles [...] If you
squeezed the air down to 15 miles - instead of 100 - it would be more
clear because there would be less distortion - atmospheric twinkle it's
called. And probably this canopy of ice would act as a photo-amplifier
where you would actually see things much more clearly. That's one
theory that [in] the pre-Flood world you don't need a telescope - you
could see incredibly well.
What the fuck
that squeezed the atmosphere down to, say, 15 miles [...] If you
squeezed the air down to 15 miles - instead of 100 - it would be more
clear because there would be less distortion - atmospheric twinkle it's
called. And probably this canopy of ice would act as a photo-amplifier
where you would actually see things much more clearly. That's one
theory that [in] the pre-Flood world you don't need a telescope - you
could see incredibly well.
What the fuck
freestyler540
Active member
Listen, Christianity is about respect, tolerance, and peace. But, a number of nutjobs go around inventing shit and using religion, as a source of identity to rally people to a common goal. Some people take comfort in religion and some take it as a platform of life. I hate the idiots who brainwash the people, and the people too stupid to realize that they are doing more harm than good.
I dont like religion, but I know one person that tolerated all the hate towards christians and never took it personally;that is what we should be like.
A few trends have also been developed in extremism:
Sexism
Racism
Ignorence
extreme violence if contradicted
Obsession about beliefs
I dont like religion, but I know one person that tolerated all the hate towards christians and never took it personally;that is what we should be like.
A few trends have also been developed in extremism:
Sexism
Racism
Ignorence
extreme violence if contradicted
Obsession about beliefs
almostaskier
Active member
If you knew ANYTHING about Biblical theology, you would know that what you have just expressed is EXACTLY the dynamic for humanity that Christianity advances. In a nutshell: humans suck.
Using bigger words, human beings being in their very nature born into a sinful world, are bound to transgress the moral boundaries of the world, which results in such abject horrors as you've just described being perpetrated in the name of something that is meant to be that which is essentially good and benevolent in the world.
Listen to me, and read this very carefully: humans, being in their very nature prone to sin according to the Bible, thus have the possibility to pervert even that which is meant to be holy and true into a bastardization fitting to their own whims and goals.
You need look no further than the Crusades. It was not issued from any sort of religious imperative, but an economic one. The Crusades were the exemplification of the blind masses, who were at times not allowed to own a Bible (even if they couldn't read it), so that they could be manipulated into accepting whatever God-ordained message from their "God anointed" Kings.
Look at basically the entire history of the Catholic Church. They didn't want to believe Galileo because they felt that through his influence they would lose power over the masses. Being in their very nature perverters of the faith, those "Christians" did not act in scriptural knowledge but in blind human ambition for power.
Because religion is something attainable to the elite as well as to the mases, those who hold a power strategy over those that will follow without knowing are able to make anything stand for anything within a faith that is defined. It is only through the actual knowledge of the faith, of which you obviously have none, that you can see the true message of the faith and not fall for the moronic opinions of those who do not understand it.
Yes, I am calling you a bigot, because you're equating every single christian with people who do not reflect what a Christian actually is. Im sure you're familiar with such a concept. I can't call all americans fat ignorant rapers of the earth. Likewise, you are incorrect in your appraisal that all real Christians think like these people.
"You should not be tolerant of individuals who hold God hates fags posters at soldier's burials."
I'm not, those people are the exact opposite of the Christian example. Jesus lived with lepers, tax payers and prostitutes. If he were here today, he'd live with homosexuals, to show if anything that the grace of God is extended to everyone that the supposed "Christian base", like the Pharisees, abhorr. But you don't know the message of the Bible, so I wouldn't expect you to know this.
"Religion needs to go, we are ready and capable of new thoughts, new
morals, and every other part of our life has progressed immensely"
Really? I guess then that the emancipation we've had from religious morals has rid the world of hunger, genocide and misery? Oh wait, no.
Using bigger words, human beings being in their very nature born into a sinful world, are bound to transgress the moral boundaries of the world, which results in such abject horrors as you've just described being perpetrated in the name of something that is meant to be that which is essentially good and benevolent in the world.
Listen to me, and read this very carefully: humans, being in their very nature prone to sin according to the Bible, thus have the possibility to pervert even that which is meant to be holy and true into a bastardization fitting to their own whims and goals.
You need look no further than the Crusades. It was not issued from any sort of religious imperative, but an economic one. The Crusades were the exemplification of the blind masses, who were at times not allowed to own a Bible (even if they couldn't read it), so that they could be manipulated into accepting whatever God-ordained message from their "God anointed" Kings.
Look at basically the entire history of the Catholic Church. They didn't want to believe Galileo because they felt that through his influence they would lose power over the masses. Being in their very nature perverters of the faith, those "Christians" did not act in scriptural knowledge but in blind human ambition for power.
Because religion is something attainable to the elite as well as to the mases, those who hold a power strategy over those that will follow without knowing are able to make anything stand for anything within a faith that is defined. It is only through the actual knowledge of the faith, of which you obviously have none, that you can see the true message of the faith and not fall for the moronic opinions of those who do not understand it.
Yes, I am calling you a bigot, because you're equating every single christian with people who do not reflect what a Christian actually is. Im sure you're familiar with such a concept. I can't call all americans fat ignorant rapers of the earth. Likewise, you are incorrect in your appraisal that all real Christians think like these people.
"You should not be tolerant of individuals who hold God hates fags posters at soldier's burials."
I'm not, those people are the exact opposite of the Christian example. Jesus lived with lepers, tax payers and prostitutes. If he were here today, he'd live with homosexuals, to show if anything that the grace of God is extended to everyone that the supposed "Christian base", like the Pharisees, abhorr. But you don't know the message of the Bible, so I wouldn't expect you to know this.
"Religion needs to go, we are ready and capable of new thoughts, new
morals, and every other part of our life has progressed immensely"
Really? I guess then that the emancipation we've had from religious morals has rid the world of hunger, genocide and misery? Oh wait, no.
Therealbillus
Member
I'm high as fuck right now and I was laughing at this shit at frtist, but now it's really just upsetting. After reading like 20 or so of these things Istopped laughing because people actually write this shit.
Estcst, I'm gonna have to say no on this one.
Religion has done good and bad. When people say that it has caused wars, yes, it has, but as with every conflict, its not just a single cause. If you are to blame religion for strife, you better include the completely human concepts of greed, jealousy, fear and hatred in that statement.
Sure, the churches refusal to recognize science might have slowed down progress in the 16th century. We really cannot say for sure however what effect it had. But if you again want to blame religion solely for miring progress, you better also include asshole emperors, stupid fucking peasants, nonsensical governments and corrupt institutions - and if there was some way to quantify all of this, I would bet that the leader in the slowdown would be plain human ignorance.
Heres the deal - there are stupid people in every demographic. To say that prime examples of that stupidity invalidates an entire group, well, no. I know lots of highly intelligent and thoughtful Christians (mind you, they're literally all believers in Intelligent design, not this seven day creation bullshit). I also know lots of stupid atheists.
Science and religion are always going to butt heads. From my view, they shouldnt, but it at least gives scientists a reason to consider ethical standards and morality of progress. If you want to believe there is some guiding being out there that science will never be able to understand or describe, go right ahead. As long as you're open to the discoveries and advances that science can bring, I'll be open to hear the underlying moral principles that guide people in life.
Religion has done good and bad. When people say that it has caused wars, yes, it has, but as with every conflict, its not just a single cause. If you are to blame religion for strife, you better include the completely human concepts of greed, jealousy, fear and hatred in that statement.
Sure, the churches refusal to recognize science might have slowed down progress in the 16th century. We really cannot say for sure however what effect it had. But if you again want to blame religion solely for miring progress, you better also include asshole emperors, stupid fucking peasants, nonsensical governments and corrupt institutions - and if there was some way to quantify all of this, I would bet that the leader in the slowdown would be plain human ignorance.
Heres the deal - there are stupid people in every demographic. To say that prime examples of that stupidity invalidates an entire group, well, no. I know lots of highly intelligent and thoughtful Christians (mind you, they're literally all believers in Intelligent design, not this seven day creation bullshit). I also know lots of stupid atheists.
Science and religion are always going to butt heads. From my view, they shouldnt, but it at least gives scientists a reason to consider ethical standards and morality of progress. If you want to believe there is some guiding being out there that science will never be able to understand or describe, go right ahead. As long as you're open to the discoveries and advances that science can bring, I'll be open to hear the underlying moral principles that guide people in life.
I think you just gave Pat Robertson a heart attack with that image.
And also, biblical meaning... bah, I dont want to get that started again, haha.
And also, biblical meaning... bah, I dont want to get that started again, haha.
*DrewT*
Active member
lolerzOne theory is that the pre-Flood Earth had a canopy of ice above it
that squeezed the atmosphere down to, say, 15 miles [...] If you
squeezed the air down to 15 miles - instead of 100 - it would be more
clear because there would be less distortion - atmospheric twinkle it's
called. And probably this canopy of ice would act as a photo-amplifier
where you would actually see things much more clearly. That's one
theory that [in] the pre-Flood world you don't need a telescope - you
could see incredibly well.
lolerz
Oh My G*D.
Just imagine vast fields of our sisters in Christ -- sisters brain
damaged and comatosed, never to mentally return to this Earth full of
sin -- inserted into pods that are themselves connected to a myriad of
wires and hydraulic tubes (I know, it sounds exactly like the Matrix,
and I freely admit, although it's certainly a very evil movie, some of
the imagery is inspiring and inspired this post). The pods will be the
most comfortable places on Earth, playing soothing music like Bible
hymns and Mozart, their insides like a massage chair and covered in
silk. A few intruding wires and tubes will, of course, have to connect
to the women inside the pods to monitor their temperature and overall
health, as well as the babies' of those that are pregnant. And of
course there will be one tube reserved for the insertion of a man's
seed whenever the women are at their most fertile. And only the best
semen will be used. I haven't quite settled on a selection process yet,
but I'm thinking some sort of Christian council could perhaps vote on
the man who is honorable and moral enough to breed generations of these
children. Perhaps one man won't be enough, for a little bit of
diversity is always good. We should, therefore, most likely have a
multitude of different men, one of each race. When the children are
born, they can be sent off to special adoption centers, where they can
be delivered to good Christian parents who are unable to themselves
breed. Those that may be left over can be raised in God, brought up in
Christian schools, where prayers are said thrice daily (at least), and
in the summer, they can be sent to Jesus camp. If the schools are as
good as I envision, then these children will make the perfect leaders
for our future. But not just leaders, for if this idea is near as good
as I am thinking, we will breed enough of these children to one day
make up a huge percentage of our population, such that they can elect
only the most Christian of people to the government. So even those that
are not the brightest and best can contribute to God in some way.
I checked out the site, MOST FUCKED UP BLOG EVER.
http://jesusloveseverything.blogspot.com/2006/06/glories-of-vegetable-farms.html
Just imagine vast fields of our sisters in Christ -- sisters brain
damaged and comatosed, never to mentally return to this Earth full of
sin -- inserted into pods that are themselves connected to a myriad of
wires and hydraulic tubes (I know, it sounds exactly like the Matrix,
and I freely admit, although it's certainly a very evil movie, some of
the imagery is inspiring and inspired this post). The pods will be the
most comfortable places on Earth, playing soothing music like Bible
hymns and Mozart, their insides like a massage chair and covered in
silk. A few intruding wires and tubes will, of course, have to connect
to the women inside the pods to monitor their temperature and overall
health, as well as the babies' of those that are pregnant. And of
course there will be one tube reserved for the insertion of a man's
seed whenever the women are at their most fertile. And only the best
semen will be used. I haven't quite settled on a selection process yet,
but I'm thinking some sort of Christian council could perhaps vote on
the man who is honorable and moral enough to breed generations of these
children. Perhaps one man won't be enough, for a little bit of
diversity is always good. We should, therefore, most likely have a
multitude of different men, one of each race. When the children are
born, they can be sent off to special adoption centers, where they can
be delivered to good Christian parents who are unable to themselves
breed. Those that may be left over can be raised in God, brought up in
Christian schools, where prayers are said thrice daily (at least), and
in the summer, they can be sent to Jesus camp. If the schools are as
good as I envision, then these children will make the perfect leaders
for our future. But not just leaders, for if this idea is near as good
as I am thinking, we will breed enough of these children to one day
make up a huge percentage of our population, such that they can elect
only the most Christian of people to the government. So even those that
are not the brightest and best can contribute to God in some way.
I checked out the site, MOST FUCKED UP BLOG EVER.
http://jesusloveseverything.blogspot.com/2006/06/glories-of-vegetable-farms.html
user098123
Active member
Which is also in the Old Testament. The Old Testament is viewed quite a bit differently.
According to what I just said I believe, I believe in God, I believe in Jesus as my savior, and I follow the bible for a code of morals to lead a better life. I don't follow it word for word. I consider myself a Christian, and if that isn't good enough for others...why do I care?
According to what I just said I believe, I believe in God, I believe in Jesus as my savior, and I follow the bible for a code of morals to lead a better life. I don't follow it word for word. I consider myself a Christian, and if that isn't good enough for others...why do I care?
jimmychung
Active member
you and i share extremely similar beliefs
pmills
Active member
A. yes you can believe that humans are born into sin and are all prone to sin; I agree that this can be found around the world with ease. However this doesn't mean that men are born inherently evil.
Would you say you are inherently prone to sin? I do not go around day to day having urges to steal, lie, kill, fill in the rest...
B. You argue that the crusades are not religious, but economical. O.K. but how could the crusades has been waged if it were not for religious belief? Economical motives, enabled by religious ideologies.
C. Catholic church runs from practically the same book that all other Christians do, your discredit of Catholic intensions is applicable across the board.
D. What is the true knowledge of faith? I'm sure you actually have an answer for this. What sort of knowledge can you actually ascertain from something that you have no proof for?
One commonly give reason to believe in go is because it provides some good The fact that I would feel good if there was a God does not give me the slightest reason to believe that one exists. Let’s redraw this example. I want to believe that there is a diamond buried somewhere in my yard the size of a refrigerator. It is true that it would feel uncommonly good to believe this, but do I have any reason to believe that there is actually said diamond? No. If I have faith that such a diamond exists there, will I find it? -- Well if it worked I’d be rich wouldn’t I.
E. NO I’m not equating every single Christian with people who do not reflect what a Christian really is. I claim two things: One, that moderate Christians who do not take the bible literally are failed fundamentalists, and according to what their bible says are "going to hell" along with myself. And two Christianity based upon the bible, the only source I can rely upon to provide me with what Christian faith really is, is as bad as I’ve been saying.
F. The story of Jesus and the actual message of the bible, and religious faith are two separate things. You do not need to be a Christian to be able to extract morals from an example such as Jesus. I'm sure Buddha did some pretty great things during his life that you'd agree with, and would live by, but that does not make you a Buddhist.
J. What the fuck are you talking about? Yes we need to rid the world of hunger, genocide, and well misery is tough because of all the emo kids... Seriously though, religious focus on the morality of gay rights, abortion, stem cell, lack of sexual education and promotion of abstinence programs, to start are helping heaps. We've got some major priorities with in our own society to work out. You can call me a hypocrite for saying we need to give up a majority of our material possessions, and start redistributing wealth across the globe. I justify my existence here in the first world because you need to work with what is available to initiate change. I'd happily give up my possessions and live on my own, however it'd be quite selfish to not attempt to bring about change so that those who are the majority of this planet can attain food, a right to life, and a decent standard of living.
Would you say you are inherently prone to sin? I do not go around day to day having urges to steal, lie, kill, fill in the rest...
B. You argue that the crusades are not religious, but economical. O.K. but how could the crusades has been waged if it were not for religious belief? Economical motives, enabled by religious ideologies.
C. Catholic church runs from practically the same book that all other Christians do, your discredit of Catholic intensions is applicable across the board.
D. What is the true knowledge of faith? I'm sure you actually have an answer for this. What sort of knowledge can you actually ascertain from something that you have no proof for?
One commonly give reason to believe in go is because it provides some good The fact that I would feel good if there was a God does not give me the slightest reason to believe that one exists. Let’s redraw this example. I want to believe that there is a diamond buried somewhere in my yard the size of a refrigerator. It is true that it would feel uncommonly good to believe this, but do I have any reason to believe that there is actually said diamond? No. If I have faith that such a diamond exists there, will I find it? -- Well if it worked I’d be rich wouldn’t I.
E. NO I’m not equating every single Christian with people who do not reflect what a Christian really is. I claim two things: One, that moderate Christians who do not take the bible literally are failed fundamentalists, and according to what their bible says are "going to hell" along with myself. And two Christianity based upon the bible, the only source I can rely upon to provide me with what Christian faith really is, is as bad as I’ve been saying.
F. The story of Jesus and the actual message of the bible, and religious faith are two separate things. You do not need to be a Christian to be able to extract morals from an example such as Jesus. I'm sure Buddha did some pretty great things during his life that you'd agree with, and would live by, but that does not make you a Buddhist.
J. What the fuck are you talking about? Yes we need to rid the world of hunger, genocide, and well misery is tough because of all the emo kids... Seriously though, religious focus on the morality of gay rights, abortion, stem cell, lack of sexual education and promotion of abstinence programs, to start are helping heaps. We've got some major priorities with in our own society to work out. You can call me a hypocrite for saying we need to give up a majority of our material possessions, and start redistributing wealth across the globe. I justify my existence here in the first world because you need to work with what is available to initiate change. I'd happily give up my possessions and live on my own, however it'd be quite selfish to not attempt to bring about change so that those who are the majority of this planet can attain food, a right to life, and a decent standard of living.
pmills
Active member
Last I checked, Old Testament, still in the bible.
Rather than bring the full force of our creativity and rationality to bear on the problems of ethics, social cohesion and even spiritual experience, moderates such as yourself, as that we relax our standards of adherence to ancient superstitions and taboos while otherwise maintain a belief system that was passed down to us from men and women whose lives were simply ravaged by their basic ignorance about the world.
Moderates do not want to kill anyone in the name of god, but they want us to keep using the word God as though we knew what we were talking about. And they do not want anything too critical said about people who really believe in the God of their fathers.
for me to say the bible and Koran both contain mountains of life-destroying gibberish, is antithetical to tolerance -- as now I’m being called a bigot for this-- but looking at our future where one person has the ability to wipe out tens of millions of people at the push of a button, we cannot afford to live in the luxury of political correctness.
Rather than bring the full force of our creativity and rationality to bear on the problems of ethics, social cohesion and even spiritual experience, moderates such as yourself, as that we relax our standards of adherence to ancient superstitions and taboos while otherwise maintain a belief system that was passed down to us from men and women whose lives were simply ravaged by their basic ignorance about the world.
Moderates do not want to kill anyone in the name of god, but they want us to keep using the word God as though we knew what we were talking about. And they do not want anything too critical said about people who really believe in the God of their fathers.
for me to say the bible and Koran both contain mountains of life-destroying gibberish, is antithetical to tolerance -- as now I’m being called a bigot for this-- but looking at our future where one person has the ability to wipe out tens of millions of people at the push of a button, we cannot afford to live in the luxury of political correctness.
pmills
Active member
I know there are smart and stupid people on both sides of the argument.
Religion has caused directly plenty of wars; it also has been a device to propagate wars even though religion was not the motives behind those in power.
sure greed, jealousy, fear, and hatred play parts in people doing bad things, but religion gives these people a facade to cover their true (read list mentioned) motives for action. Take away religion, and people will have to come up with some better excuse to perform these actions.
If you have the actions out in the open, frankly people will not be able to get away with performing these actions. It's a lot tougher to get people to rally for your side if you have to portray your argument as almostaskier pretended to do about the jihad.
Human ignorance is the leader in the slowdown, I agree, only I believe that the human ignorance is to hold on to these traditions of faith.
Don't let my atheism make you believe I say you can't have any sort of spirituality -- why couldn’t there be some sort of consciousness to the universe, some sort of phenomenal power within our heads to provide self awareness... does this mean there is a God as described by any of the religions of today? No....
recall a thread from a while back, worth a read about how drastically different religion could be for today's age -- http://www.fullmoon.nu/articles/art.php?id=tal
Religion has caused directly plenty of wars; it also has been a device to propagate wars even though religion was not the motives behind those in power.
sure greed, jealousy, fear, and hatred play parts in people doing bad things, but religion gives these people a facade to cover their true (read list mentioned) motives for action. Take away religion, and people will have to come up with some better excuse to perform these actions.
If you have the actions out in the open, frankly people will not be able to get away with performing these actions. It's a lot tougher to get people to rally for your side if you have to portray your argument as almostaskier pretended to do about the jihad.
Human ignorance is the leader in the slowdown, I agree, only I believe that the human ignorance is to hold on to these traditions of faith.
Don't let my atheism make you believe I say you can't have any sort of spirituality -- why couldn’t there be some sort of consciousness to the universe, some sort of phenomenal power within our heads to provide self awareness... does this mean there is a God as described by any of the religions of today? No....
recall a thread from a while back, worth a read about how drastically different religion could be for today's age -- http://www.fullmoon.nu/articles/art.php?id=tal
Mr_Bojangles
Active member
Quoting David Hume, "Our most holy religion is founded on faith, not on reason."
In his essay 'Of Miracles', he did not conclude that it ought, therefore, to be rejected by reasonable men. On the contrary, he suggests that rational evaluation has no proper place in this realm to begin with, that a religious man need not feel in the least compelled to put his religion "to such a trial as it is, by no means, fitted to endure," and he brands as "dangerous friends or disguised enemies" of religion those "who have undertaken to defend it by the principles of human reason."
Faith is not reason, else religion would be, along with logic and metaphysics, a part of philosophy, which it assuredly is not. Nor is faith belief resting on scientific or historical inquiry, else religion would be part of the corpus of human knowledge, which it clearly is not. More than that, it seems evident that by the normal, common-sense criteria of what is reasonable, the content of the Christian faith is unreasonable. This, both I and Richard Taylor believe, should be the starting point, the datum, of any discussion of faith and reason.
God exists. Millions of people do most deeply and firmly believe it. But even the barest statement of the content of that belief makes it manifest that it does not and, I think, could not, result from rational inquiry. "Mere reason," Hume said, "is insufficient to convince us of its veracity." The Christian begins the recital of his faith with the words, "I believe," and it would be an utter distortion to construe this as anything like "I have inquired, and found it reasonable to conclude." If there were a man who could say that in honesty, as I think there is not, then he would, in a clear and ordinary sense, believe, but he would have no religious faith whatsoever, and his beliefs themselves would be robbed of what would make them religious.
This is an extract from an essay I wrote on David Hume/Richard Taylor, an essay written from a fideist perspective. A fideist holds that faith and reason are seperate human faculties, however a rationalist, as I suspect you to be, would find this absurd.
In his essay 'Of Miracles', he did not conclude that it ought, therefore, to be rejected by reasonable men. On the contrary, he suggests that rational evaluation has no proper place in this realm to begin with, that a religious man need not feel in the least compelled to put his religion "to such a trial as it is, by no means, fitted to endure," and he brands as "dangerous friends or disguised enemies" of religion those "who have undertaken to defend it by the principles of human reason."
Faith is not reason, else religion would be, along with logic and metaphysics, a part of philosophy, which it assuredly is not. Nor is faith belief resting on scientific or historical inquiry, else religion would be part of the corpus of human knowledge, which it clearly is not. More than that, it seems evident that by the normal, common-sense criteria of what is reasonable, the content of the Christian faith is unreasonable. This, both I and Richard Taylor believe, should be the starting point, the datum, of any discussion of faith and reason.
God exists. Millions of people do most deeply and firmly believe it. But even the barest statement of the content of that belief makes it manifest that it does not and, I think, could not, result from rational inquiry. "Mere reason," Hume said, "is insufficient to convince us of its veracity." The Christian begins the recital of his faith with the words, "I believe," and it would be an utter distortion to construe this as anything like "I have inquired, and found it reasonable to conclude." If there were a man who could say that in honesty, as I think there is not, then he would, in a clear and ordinary sense, believe, but he would have no religious faith whatsoever, and his beliefs themselves would be robbed of what would make them religious.
This is an extract from an essay I wrote on David Hume/Richard Taylor, an essay written from a fideist perspective. A fideist holds that faith and reason are seperate human faculties, however a rationalist, as I suspect you to be, would find this absurd.
I like what you say here, brings up a good point. I have to agree that people have misused (if one truly can misuse a belief, but thats another thread entirely) religion, but think about it; if you take away the facade, humanity will surely only bring another one up to cover its own ass. Its not our fault, its only human to do so.
Religion aint so bad a thing to have. Even though you and I dont place too much faith in it and enjoy 'walking our own path', I still maintain that you can be intelligent and a believer in a higher power. Furthermore, its not an entirely bad system for mindless drones, eg, people who would rather go through life without ever stopping to consider why we are here or the meaning of morality. Not to say that all believers are drones, nor to encourage people to be so - its just that given a person who will never consider deep thought, its better to have a rulebook on how to be happy than not.
Though it does, from my perspective, impede science, I think its still a rather good thing to have. Its nice to have an ethical check on what we're creating, and even if I believe that creatures evolve, completely beyond a doubt, its at least good to have an occasional voice of opposition. If someone says you are wrong, you're only going to work harder to show them that you are right.
That being said, its good to a point. Trying to claim that the Earth is flat is really just over the line.
Religion aint so bad a thing to have. Even though you and I dont place too much faith in it and enjoy 'walking our own path', I still maintain that you can be intelligent and a believer in a higher power. Furthermore, its not an entirely bad system for mindless drones, eg, people who would rather go through life without ever stopping to consider why we are here or the meaning of morality. Not to say that all believers are drones, nor to encourage people to be so - its just that given a person who will never consider deep thought, its better to have a rulebook on how to be happy than not.
Though it does, from my perspective, impede science, I think its still a rather good thing to have. Its nice to have an ethical check on what we're creating, and even if I believe that creatures evolve, completely beyond a doubt, its at least good to have an occasional voice of opposition. If someone says you are wrong, you're only going to work harder to show them that you are right.
That being said, its good to a point. Trying to claim that the Earth is flat is really just over the line.