Yeah, I'm going B&W so I can Self-Dev and because over the last 4 or 5 months all I've shot was colour for the most part.
1 CAMERA, 1 LENS, 1 FILM STOCK, 1 YEAR
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Balto
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13077672:TijmenDal said:
I feel like I'm surrounded by fucking morons. THAT IS EXACTLY why you do it. So you expand what you are comfortable with and further your ability in a range of areas. Example, guy shoots 50mm pretty much exclusively for years, says he wants to experiment with something new. So he gets a 28mm, and that lens doesnt leave his camera for a year +. He doesn't forget anything about the 50 but after that year has perfect understanding of the 28mm focal length. Are you really to stupid to understand that?
13079372:Balto said:
man... you do you, and stop worrying about what other people are doing with their cameras. There's no need to get all worked up and call everyone a moron. If this thread really angers you so much, maybe it's time to stop checking it/posting in it.
There's something to be said about tact, and you're just not getting it.
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nikonos
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13079372:Balto said:
Y r u so angry all the time, chyll out
13079372:Balto said:
Holy shit dude, calm the fuck down.
None of that is hard to understand. What's hard to understand is why you are so quick to insist that there's a "right" way to do this... What's harder to understand is why you are getting so worked up about people not knowing the rules that other people have imposed on themselves when none of us have any familiarity with this exercise.
Why would you assume that everyone just has a knowledge of the way this has been done in the past in other groups, when the only time you spend any time explaining it is before and after you insult us for not knowing details of it?
It's great that this is done in a particular way on other photo forums, but that doesn't mean that that has to be the way we do it.
Also... yea, I pay my bills with my photography so I'm sure as hell not going to tell all my clients that I'm just going to shoot everything at 50mm on Ektar and they are going to live with it. Sounds like a great way to not have any photo work and burn a bunch of bridges, really quick. It's great if you think you can do that, but I would like to keep doing what I love as a profession, and that requires relationships.
Does that mean I can't take on a personal project? Does that mean that it can't be an adaptation of this idea that you mentioned in another thread? Really, does it?
**This post was edited on Aug 11th 2014 at 2:24:15pm
Okay guys, seriously, let's stop the fucking flame war. We are all adults (kinda) This is the most petty thing to ever bicker about ever, and it's just going to turn people away from the project at hand. No more he said she said they said whatever... end this crap and let's talk about something constructive here.
There has been talk about right ways to go about this project - let's forget about what's right or wrong and focus on talking about what we want to eventually gain from it in our individual ways - at least until we all start undertaking the start of the project (which, would kinda be a good idea to know. Are we really going to wait until January? or could we just all agree to start this up at the beginning of September or something?)
Personally, I just want to have fun with this, and experiment with simple things. I like the idea of putting yourself in an environment with constants everywhere in order to build creativity within that small window you've created, but screw it. I want to set the basic boundaries (one camera one lens one film) and go crazy within just those three things. The last time I did this project was back in Freshman year of college, when all I owned was a Canon AT-1 with a 50mm and I had access to two rolls of lowish grade colour print film that you could buy in drugstores still to this day. We had to work on concepts within this environment and take it from there.
This time, I want to fuck around with self development a bit more. I want to really gain a better idea of utilizing contrast, which is a concept that I'm sure I don't fully grasp because I'm always shooting in colour and don't really think about things in greyscale as often. That's why I'm choosing a black and white film (honestly, probably Tri-X because Who knows how much longer any film like that will be around). So for me, it's less about the camera I'm using, and more about what I'm doing with the film itself - which is why I recommended going with something reliable that you're comfortable with.
I'm not going to just use one developer or one type of development - IE: Stand or Rapid or whatever - I want to really work on this and play around so in the future, I'll always know how to get that 'look' i'm going for.
This is my goal. Others here might just want to become comfortable with the fundamentals of exposure, or a certain film stock, or becoming comfortable with a certain focal length like Thomas spoke of. Lets share these ideas, inspire each other, and create goals for ourselves.
There has been talk about right ways to go about this project - let's forget about what's right or wrong and focus on talking about what we want to eventually gain from it in our individual ways - at least until we all start undertaking the start of the project (which, would kinda be a good idea to know. Are we really going to wait until January? or could we just all agree to start this up at the beginning of September or something?)
Personally, I just want to have fun with this, and experiment with simple things. I like the idea of putting yourself in an environment with constants everywhere in order to build creativity within that small window you've created, but screw it. I want to set the basic boundaries (one camera one lens one film) and go crazy within just those three things. The last time I did this project was back in Freshman year of college, when all I owned was a Canon AT-1 with a 50mm and I had access to two rolls of lowish grade colour print film that you could buy in drugstores still to this day. We had to work on concepts within this environment and take it from there.
This time, I want to fuck around with self development a bit more. I want to really gain a better idea of utilizing contrast, which is a concept that I'm sure I don't fully grasp because I'm always shooting in colour and don't really think about things in greyscale as often. That's why I'm choosing a black and white film (honestly, probably Tri-X because Who knows how much longer any film like that will be around). So for me, it's less about the camera I'm using, and more about what I'm doing with the film itself - which is why I recommended going with something reliable that you're comfortable with.
I'm not going to just use one developer or one type of development - IE: Stand or Rapid or whatever - I want to really work on this and play around so in the future, I'll always know how to get that 'look' i'm going for.
This is my goal. Others here might just want to become comfortable with the fundamentals of exposure, or a certain film stock, or becoming comfortable with a certain focal length like Thomas spoke of. Lets share these ideas, inspire each other, and create goals for ourselves.
Also, as far as doing paid work on film... Don't do ALL of your paid work on film, that would be dumb for so many of us, but if there's a project where a client would welcome the idea, or you can convince them that the look will be worth it for whatever reason (a portrait shoot or something), then by all means fucking load up on some rolls and do it!
It might be a little bit different than this project (especially if you are required to use different focal lengths or something), but hey, go for it if you can, and share your experiences in the film photography thread instead of here.
It might be a little bit different than this project (especially if you are required to use different focal lengths or something), but hey, go for it if you can, and share your experiences in the film photography thread instead of here.
cwphoto
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I'm really stoked for this. i think I'm going to focus on using a longer lens as i usually use a 28mm. also, i think I'm going to try out medium format for this since i've needed an excuse for a medium format camera for a while. i think it would be a good idea to make a new thread once it actually gets started with the rules that everyone decides on so the thread isn't already 7 pages in. i'd rather do it in january so it could be a whole 2015 thing, but i'm down for whatever.
13088235:connorwyckoff said:
I think we should start in Jan as well, personally. It's partially selfish because I have some stuff to figure out film-wise before then, I'm trying to get a scanning setup for 35mm with my d800 and a bellows kit figured out, and I don't have a lot of extra $$$ right now either.
There will definitely be another thread, this is just for brainstorming.
13092230:kalinski. said:
It's mostly the same as a DSLR, if you are shooting manual. Just think it through step by step, because you can't review and adjust settings. Create the image you wish to produce in your mind before you even start, then adjust aperture and shutter accordingly. It's not hard, you are just forced to think.
Plus, part of this whole deal is a learning experience. It might be cool to wait until January to even start "learning how to shoot film" at all.
13092230:kalinski. said:
Depends completely on the model. There are a lot of great old pentaxs. If it's a Spotmatic or K1000, you're full manual. If it's like an ME or something, then it's going to be aperture priority, and you're simply choosing your aperture before the shot.
Honestly, for anyone looking to learn on an old film camera, if you don't have one, seriously, just buy an old Minolta SRT 101 or 201. They can be had for almost nothing and will always work great. If you have something like a Canon EF 50mm, perhaps consider picking up an old EOS film camera for even cheaper if you feel.
Just stocked up on Tri-X like mad. 50 rolls.
Let's do this.
I feel like it should be just as the title says. 1 Camera. 1 Lens. 1 Film. 1 Year. Those being the only rules.
From then on, do whatever you want with it.
I don't even care about filters or flash... fuck it, do that stuff too if you really feel like it.. You're creating, and you're still experimenting from within the basic parameters even so. Try different chemicals out, or standardize that too if you feel. Get really into stand development or something, I don't know. Who cares.
I just feel like if we make too many rules, there will also be too many to break. Keep it simple stupid. Otherwise, we're going to end up in situations where guys are like "Sorry guys, I had to use a red filter here" or "Oops, I shot this HP5 at 100iso on accident" or whatever. I've seen that happen with these projects. It's not a bad thing (art is about breaking rules and making beautiful mistakes) but when you're given creative freedom from the get go instead of those minor extra rules, you're able to be open to a few more ideas - or at least be focused on subjects rather than "oh shit this is going to look weird without a red filter" or "Damnit, this roll is going to be so much better if I develop it in HC-110 over D76)
A big reason I say this is also because, if say you're shooting slide or colour reversal, and you're traveling or you move mid-year and don't want to mail your film back to the same lab for developing, you should be able to just take in your E-6 film to wherever you are and get it developed.
Additionally, I say we should at least try to shoot at least 1 roll per month. That's something like 430 something photos in a year if you're shooting on average a roll of 36 exposures every month. That's about 50-60$ in film if you do something more affordable like Tri-X and develop at home.
I'm excited for this to get going.
From then on, do whatever you want with it.
I don't even care about filters or flash... fuck it, do that stuff too if you really feel like it.. You're creating, and you're still experimenting from within the basic parameters even so. Try different chemicals out, or standardize that too if you feel. Get really into stand development or something, I don't know. Who cares.
I just feel like if we make too many rules, there will also be too many to break. Keep it simple stupid. Otherwise, we're going to end up in situations where guys are like "Sorry guys, I had to use a red filter here" or "Oops, I shot this HP5 at 100iso on accident" or whatever. I've seen that happen with these projects. It's not a bad thing (art is about breaking rules and making beautiful mistakes) but when you're given creative freedom from the get go instead of those minor extra rules, you're able to be open to a few more ideas - or at least be focused on subjects rather than "oh shit this is going to look weird without a red filter" or "Damnit, this roll is going to be so much better if I develop it in HC-110 over D76)
A big reason I say this is also because, if say you're shooting slide or colour reversal, and you're traveling or you move mid-year and don't want to mail your film back to the same lab for developing, you should be able to just take in your E-6 film to wherever you are and get it developed.
Additionally, I say we should at least try to shoot at least 1 roll per month. That's something like 430 something photos in a year if you're shooting on average a roll of 36 exposures every month. That's about 50-60$ in film if you do something more affordable like Tri-X and develop at home.
I'm excited for this to get going.
13152157:DingoSean said:
All that sounds good to me.
What about these two rules I proposed? I think this will keep the presentation pure, this sort of structure will help to keep results organized and linear:
3. On the last day of each month (Or close to it) we post 5 photos each in a thread. Only 5, to keep the edit tight.
4. The only discussion allowed in the thread is about photos that are posted in the thread. No other discussion will be permitted!
13153202:TWoods said:
Absolutely.
So, do you agree it should be as such?
-1 Camera, 1 Lens, 1 Film stock, 1 Year.
-Everything else at users discretion, whether it be format, chemicals, whatever...
-Post 5 photos at the end of each month or thereabouts.
-Discuss only photos in the thread, and don't get into some bullshit discussion about gear or philosophy like what happened in this thread.
**This post was edited on Sep 30th 2014 at 7:26:21pm
cwphoto
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13260674:SeanTom said:
Same! I was just thinking the other day how fun this project is going to be. I've been saving up since about when the thread started to get a Hasselblad, so I should have that soon. Also with my Christmas money I'm setting up a darkroom so I can develop my own stuff. I'm really excited too!
NJurkiewicz
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Is this still going to happen?
zbphoto
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13263623:skiP.E.I. said:I wish I still had a place to process film
Mail it here, Chris is the best.
http://www.cariboulab.com
13265303:connorwyckoff said:
This
Twinjibber77
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My threads
13265210:SeanTom said:
I think that we should keep the discussion in this thread, why change it now? plus, people lose interest in cults. Plus, especially for the project, people should see what we are posting IMO, so they know we are doing this project and can add to the discussion or learn from it. I forget about cults.
We have decided on some pretty simple rules to keep it open to interpretation. I'll just write them up with some specific language so they are clear and concise and post them here. what do you think?
TijmenDal
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Totally forgot about this. I've been kinda away from NS. M&A seems a little dead as well compared to two years ago. Anyway.
I'm still game, but already know I'll be using different camera's. I'll only be shooting Tri-X though. Combination of Olympus XA/Konica Hexar and Leica M4.
I'm still game, but already know I'll be using different camera's. I'll only be shooting Tri-X though. Combination of Olympus XA/Konica Hexar and Leica M4.
13267551:TijmenDal said:
Perhaps pick one solidly for this project alone? Post stuff from the other two in the other film thread?
I mean, otherwise it detracts from the first rule of the thread in the first place haha.
13268099:TijmenDal said:
Yeah, just think about what kind of things you'd use each camera for and make a choice from there.
I went with an SLR and a 50 instead of my Olympus Stylus or something because I'd be only really using a Point and Shoot for street shots... I wanted to have variety instead of focus for this project. Think in terms of that, perhaps.
CallumFraser
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So for the thread im stuck between : Seagul 4A, with Fuji Velvia 50 or Canon AE1 with either trix or a bunch of Kodak Gold.
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