I just rode the 09 atomic thugs (192cm) they are surprisingly soft for an atomic. great cut to 'em. if you can call it a cut. practically straight but super responsive in even just a lil bit of snow. I've never been an atomic fan but I was blown away at how light under foot these were (for a 192) but for anybody who likes a fatter all around ski, I strongly suggest demo-ing these skis. super fun.