im not rippin shit here buddy...these skis have no care shots, edge damage, delamming, or gnarly chips off the top sheet to speak of...the bindings dont even have gouges in them...i just fully tuned (base grind, edge sharpening, hot wax...everything) the skis and they're perfect...$450 canadian for these skis is by no means a rip off, the original $600 i wanted was, yes, very steep...but at $450 you're getting a fucking good deal