Zeitgeist 2: Addendum

IcePointa

IcePointa

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

Oct. 3 2008

Much more on point than the first. Spends virtually no time on "conspiracy theories" or trying to blame specific people for the problems we have today. It goes straight into how the monetary system enslaves mankind and offers some ideas toward the solution. Interesting timing as we watch the financial industry crumble around us.
 
you know this whole video can be summed up into two words, right?

"That's life."

honestly the whole basis of towns/cities/countries working together is trading goods and services. money is the evolutionary result of that. unless everyone lived completely independent, which is retarded, we will always be "slaves" to money.
 
thats funny because there were a shit ton of people who lived on the american continent who wern't slaves to money... money is the result of people deciding to lock up the food.
 
Life is what you make it. I think you vastly underestimate the creative power of the human mind and its ability to affect change in the world.

And did you even watch the movie, or did you just not really understand what was being said about a resource economy?
 
Hmm...i never saw the first one...should i watch it before this one or is this an updated version?
 
This one is a standalone documentary in itself. I would actually recommend watching this second one first, as it does a better overview of the situation as its relavent to us and gets less bogged down with theories that can't be proven. The first one is still worth watching as well though.
 
they also didn't support a population that is currently 500 times that of what they had, and technology far more vast then what they could ever conceive. not knocking the film, just saying the whole concept of being "slaves to money" is childish and the concept of breaking free of money is far fetched unless you go back to the bare essentials of living. with the evolution of life, is the evolution of how that life is maintained.
 
What are you implying, that the fact we can give a woman bigger boobs and that over half the world is starving makes us better?

quality over quantity.

I'd much rather have a simpler lifestyle where i can go find my food when i need some rather than having to dance 40 hours a week
 
The utopia that this movie talks about is basically socialist. My biggest problem with the movie is that although it did a decent job of explaining how our current society results in corruption, it failed to explain how the absence of money would fix corruption. Even in the venus project utopia, there will have to be people making governing decisions, and who decides who gets to make these decisions?

even without money, i fail to see how there will ever be a way to prevent the consolidation of power. There has never been an advanced society without leaders, and as long as power is concentrated in the hands of a few, there will always be corruption.

On the other hand, Geothermal power would be a fatty cream puff.
 
Yea. I liked this one better than the first. Granted it's really extreme, but the energy section was really an eye opener. If what he said was true with the different sources of energy that can eventually be that efficient, we better get on that. Geothermal energy sounds really nice. But Wave energy, and sea current energy you don't really hear about. It should definitely be funded more.
 
really?

if you couldn't choose where you'd fall amongst the ranks of rich and poor, would you choose the option where the rich were super 'rich' (with $$) and the poor were super poor or the option where everyone was rich (non monetary value)

i think you'd be crazy to choose the former
 
no i call you an idiot because you have no idea what im talking about. like the concept just shot through you like shotgun pellets in kurt curbain's head.
 
you're just so entrenched in the culture of money, of agricultural revolution. I know i talk about a dream world that's not going to come about for a long time, but at least you should recognize whats wrong with our system.
 
You sound like the sophmore kid that is in every class that thinks he is so fucking smart. Having a mediocre grasp of philosophy and being minorly articulate do no mean you make good points. I know you think you are fucking brilliant and just dropping unheard of knowledge on everyone and freeing them from their shallow unintelligent caves. But If I could go back I would bring a shovel and hit you and your kind in the face during class.
 
i think the reason some of you arent getting this concept is because like said in the movie, the idea of a non-monetary based economy is so abstract that it is almost impossible for some of us to imagine it, because we have never known anything else. propoganda and authorities have raised us to think a certain way, that this idea of a resource based society could never work. in a way, we are raised with a capitalist point of view. a lot of these ideas are based on theoretical Marxist communism, which ideally could work if corruption within governments did not exist, and technology was applied to its fullest potential.

thats my 2 cents

 
I do like firsbee a lot but however there a more important issues here.

I have only watched the first part of the documentary and will watch the rest tomorrow, but he does articulate a lot of what I have ever thought about modern day economies, that they are a farce, a made up unrealistic game that we are all, by the way of debt, forced to play.
 
my threads cause i want to watch this bullshit later for a good laugh.

and to the dude above me.. made up? u do realize people spend their entire lives studying this stuff.. the whole idea of economics is either proven (microecon) or mostly theory based off of what has happened (macroecon) and will continue to happen. thats like saying philosophy or sociology is made up, just doesnt make sense. read a book
 
without laws or money, whats going to stop rape, murder, theft, ect. you cant change a persons mindset or behaivor by eliminating money and laws, they say in the movie that it wont be perfect, its impossible to be perfect. well what they are describing as the venus project is "a perfect world society" it wont happen, but we can definatly fix all the corruption and energy crisis in our society. I wouldnt say by taking away money and law.

I enjoyed the video a lot, the first one was more inciteful i thought tho.
 
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