worst president ever.

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the following is just a copy paste job from another board... what say you?

worst President in History ?

The following appeared in the Durham, NC local

paper as a letter to the editor.

This will put things in perspective :)

Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain about his prosecution of it.

One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst

president in U.S history.

Let's clear up one point: President Bush didn't

start the war on terror. It was started by terrorists

BEFORE 9/11. Let's look at the 'worst' president and mismanagement claims.

FDR led us into World War II. Germany never

attacked us; Japan did.From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year. Truman finished that war and started one in

Korea. North Korea never attacked us.

From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an

average of 18,333 per year.

John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in

1962. Vietnam never attacked us.

Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an

average of 5,800 per year.Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us.He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan, and did nothing.

Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

Over 2,900 lives were lost on 9/11.In the two years since terrorists attacked us,President Bush has liberated two countries, rushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in

Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We’ve lost 1,000 soldiers, an average of 500 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.

Worst president in history? Come on!

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but... It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound.

That was a 51-day operation.We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records. It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division

and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Teddy Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!

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I love it when people say JFK would have become one of the greatest presidents ever.

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hah, good write ole chap. makes much sense

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YES ANOTHER POLITICAL THREAD ABOUT BUSH.......my life is complete

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there is no possible way you can compare deaths in the military with our new military tech and tactics to 50, or even 10 years ago. No way there is a just way of saying 'well, not as many people died because bush went to iraq, so he's a great fuckin president.' In WW2, the enemy was attacking our allies, so we had an obligation to go. Their equipment was equal to the united states. therefore, more people died. Dont forget the number of soldiers that went there was far, far greater than the number of soldiers that are in iraq. Second, we went up against a country with technology that is primative compared to ours. No wonder not as many people died. that is not a statistic. A statistic would be the percentage of deaths compared to the number of soldiers in each war. That still is inadequate, because there is not a very easy way to factor in the level of technology.

So, do some research and come up with a real statistic that gives us actual knowledge, instead of saying those other presidents are bad because more people died in wars while they were in office.

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A BIG difference between what those guys did and what Bush is doing, is that the world hates us for what bush is doing. I don't recall hearing anything about the world hating us for ww2, korea, vietnam, etc...

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Asac during the veitnam war there were 1000x more anti-war protestors than there are now in regards to the war in Iraq.

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I dont care if most of the world hates us, they dont hate us because of Bush, they hate us because it has become clear that everything is located in America, and they are sick of us being the only ones on top.

The Fact remains that less people have died in Iraq and that is undisputable.

 
sorry to say it anewmorning, but that post is retarded. Comparing WWII and Vietnam to modern day Bush and Iraq is not very bright. The whole international atmosphere was different then, as were the weapons involved.

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^ yes. very stupid thread

Some folks look for answers, others look for fights

Some folks up in tree tops, just looking for their kites

Goes to show, you don't ever know

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yeah, it must be stupid if it makes valid points against your particular stance.

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i didnt write it... just thought id post it. take it for what you will... and it sounds like youve certainly got your mind made up.

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'I don't recall hearing anything about the world hating us for ww2, korea, vietnam, etc...'

Then you need to go and read a history text book.

Vietnam lead to some of the biggest protests and public unrest this country has ever seen. Anyways, I think that the scrutiny President Bush has come under is way out of porportion. I also think that when people look back on this, they will be thankful for the security our troops have given us.

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'In the two years since terrorists attacked us,President Bush has liberated two countries, rushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in

Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We’ve lost 1,000 soldiers, an average of 500 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.'

Didnt see any liberlas commenting on that. section just wondered what your thoughts were on that part?

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I think he is using the defense of comparing the wars to the Iraqi conflict is because of all the recent hubbub of Democrats doing the same thing except in a negative way.

You say that we went in ww2 in defense to our allies, why can't the innocent civilians of Iraq be our allies as well?

 
Don't even try to use an article that compares WWII and Iraq. Are you serious? You just can't be.

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i think it is bull shit what the lyberals are saying about bush and the war on terrorism, and i hope that Kerry gets elected and the world gets to see how many terrist attacks we have then, he is a pussy, flat out and then terrorists know it and are going to jump on it the minute he is elected if he is. It is going to be a rude awakening

 
Yet democrats will compare bush and hitler. Or vietnam and iraq. Thats ok though right? HMMM makes me wonder

Pete is currently sulking around Mt. Hood, shooting with Poor Boyz Productions and hitting on Kristi Leskinen. She hates guys, Pete lamented, so it’s not going good. Apparently Canada isn’t the only thing that’s tough for Pete to get into.

-kamikaze

 
Ah yes, Kerry is a pussy. I can just see Al Qaida members gathered around a TV in Saudi Arabia. 'Look, they elected the pussy! Get your fake passports ready, we're off to attack America!'

Don't even take part in this argument, you just make your side look bad.

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I dont compare Bush and Hitler, I think that's stupid. Vietnam and Iraq? Not a bad comparison. Actually, my AP history teacher had us do a comparison/contrast essay on those two wars for our final exam, and for good reason.

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Most of us laugh at ANYONE who compares Vietnam and Iraq... say, why does everyone say Kerry's a pussy? As far as I know, he WENT to Vietnam. Some people I could mention kinda weasled out of that one. Where does this pussy thing come from?

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And by 'compare', I mean imply that Iraq is Vietnam II. Which is obviously somewhat ridiculous.

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i guess pussy is the wrong word... im just trying to say that homeland security isnt a priority of his from what i know and that he isnt going to take a stand agaisnt terrorists if he gets elected

 
Please tell me the good reason you came up with in your essay cuz i also find it rediculous to compare the 2

Pete is currently sulking around Mt. Hood, shooting with Poor Boyz Productions and hitting on Kristi Leskinen. She hates guys, Pete lamented, so it’s not going good. Apparently Canada isn’t the only thing that’s tough for Pete to get into.

-kamikaze

 
Glad you clarified, because the magnitude of the two wars are quite different, but they do share many similarities.

Both wars are unpopular, saw our enemies using guerilla tactics, had no fronts, had high levels of technology, and vague objectives. Obviously Iraq is not Vietnam II, I never said that.

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And to JD i dont think Kerry is a pussy at all he served our country and im sure he did it well. I have respect for any man who has done that. I just disagree with him on certain issues find him to be flimsy on policy and stances.

Pete is currently sulking around Mt. Hood, shooting with Poor Boyz Productions and hitting on Kristi Leskinen. She hates guys, Pete lamented, so it’s not going good. Apparently Canada isn’t the only thing that’s tough for Pete to get into.

-kamikaze

 
^That sounds like the opposite of his take on the issue, actually. Just because he'd like to cooperate with the rest of the world doesn't mean he won't be able to defend the country should the need arise. And for God's sake, by all reports his stance on Iraq is about the same as Bush's.

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Whoa, a lot of people posted, that was for the guy above Supchronic.

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in vietnam thousands of american soldiers died, in iraq maybe 1000 have died in the entire time weve been over there, im not sure because i havent looked at the body count recently but thats my guess, in the year that we have been in iraq weve accomplished a shitload more that we did in the first year of vietnam, our military tactics were complete shit for the first 8 or so years of vietnam, and we accomplished nothing, so the american people had a big problem with the war, but in iraq people opposed the war before we even went into iraq, and in vietnam most of the country supported our containment policy and approved of entering vietnam, but after a few years of complete failure and assurances by our government that everything was going just fine americans began to oppose the war, then after the tet offensive america new that we really hadnt accomplished much, so the opposition of both wars by the public was extremely different and militarily we have conquered and secured all of iraq and were beggining to rebuild in just over a year, so iraq and vietnam are different in that way, i really dont see many similarities other than the type of warfare our enemies used, which is a bullshit similarity because everyone weve fought after world war 2 has used guerrilla warfare because noone is strong enough to fight us head on, so other than extremely general similarities iraq isnt really like vietnam at all

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^But comparing them isn't preposterous either, is it? Those similarities I listed are rather general, but nonetheless are similarities. Notice I said they differ completely in magnitude. By the way, the majority of Americans supported the Iraq War in the beginning. I did too, but of course my support was gained through deception.

Comparing Iraq and WWII is ridiculous, however.

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My Biggest problem with Kerry is that my tax dollars go to pay this guy, yet he only showed up for 20% of the votes in the senate in the past two years. So I'm paying this guy to vote for my state...and what he's done is left my state with half of the representation that we should have....bummer. It just kills me that he gets full pay for not even doing his job. If I only showed up one day a week, I think I'd get fired.

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humm that article sounds good, but it is bad and heres y:

Germany was killing many many people, much more then saddam could ever kill, that is y we went to germany.

We should have never gone to the Vietnam war either, same with the Korean war

Saddam/Iraq, have absolutly nothing to do with Osama/Afganistan. I am atleast semi-ok with going into Afganistan like we did but i think the fact that Bush went to war in iraq is retarded.

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''I dont care if most of the world hates us, they dont hate us because of Bush, they hate us because it has become clear that everything is located in America, and they are sick of us being the only ones on top. ''

ya but it is big, US based coperations that make it that way. a few people could live mabey slightly more normal lives (ie, not have so much money) and many others would be able to live decently.

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the vietnam war wasnt just vietnam and communists, we had to back up our claim to the soviets that we were going to follow our policy of containment or they might have invaded east berlin and started a huge war which would have ended up in a nuclear holocaust, dont just think that vietnam was just us and the vietnamese, there was a lot larger picture

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hey c+p republoturds, here's one back at ya:

There were 39 combat related killings

in Iraq during the month of January.....

In the fair city of Detroit there were

35 murders in the month of January.

Detroit has 2 million people. We have 130,000 troops in Iraq. In order to make these 'murder rates' equivalent, we would have to have 2 million troops in Iraq. As it is, our combat KIA for January is equivalent to 538 murders in Detroit in January.

Of course, you chose the most quiescent month of the year in Iraq. If I chose April, when at least 136 Americans were killed in Iraq, the Detroit Death Toll Equivalent equals at least 2092. Considering that Chicago, my native town, led the country in murders in 2003 with about 650, this is serious. And as long as we're all about comparing apples to apples, this does not take into account the actual violent crime rate in Baghdad for Iraqis, rape, murder and the like, which was far more horrendous.

That's just one American city,

about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq.

See above. There really IS no comparison... only the comparison is horrendously against your case.

When some claim President Bush shouldn't

have started this war, consider the following ...

FDR...

led us into World War II.

Germany never attacked us: Japan did.

Ah, but Hitler DID declare war on us, and started sinking our freighters within sight of American beaches almost immediately. Seems to me this argumentative point falls off the table for you, Hemi.

From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost,

an average of 112,500 per year.

In a just and undebated cause.

Truman...

finished that war and started one in Korea,

North Korea never attacked us.

From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost,

an average of 18,334 per year.

On behalf of the United Nations. If you'll remember (you won't), our forces in Korea were known as 'the United Nations forces,' an apellation that cannot be applied to the Iraq 'coalition of the willing,' which included Tonga, Afghanistan (!!!!), and a host of other nations without armed forces.

John F. Kennedy...

started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.

Lie. Eisenhower had our forces in Vietnam starting in 1954. Go over to the wall in D.C. You'll see that many years of Vietnam dead accounted for on that wall fell under the Eisenhower presidency. Eisenhower dropped that conflict in an aghast Kennedy's lap along with the plan to hit the Bay of Pigs during the transition of 1960-61.

Vietnam never attacked us.

Hmmm... I guess you are against the Vietnam War, huh? I would put the 'lakes of WMD' offered to us by the neo-cons up against the Tonkin Gulf Incident, when we were supposedly 'attacked' by North Vietnam, any old day. If you're against the Tonkin Gulf Incident, seems to me you have to be against the massive deception that led us to 'disarm' Saddam last year.

Johnson...

turned Vietnam into a quagmire.

From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost,

an average of 5,800 per year.

CLEARING THROAT... Ummmm... seems like you skipped a president, Hemi. Blaming the 58,000 on Johnson, huh? What about the dude who replaced him? The Republican who campaigned on 'a secret plan to end the war?' Nixon? 20,000 of those 58,000 Americans died needlessly under Nixon before he did what he said he was going to do and pulled us out in 1973. Not such a hot comparison, dude.

Clinton...

went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent,

Bosnia never attacked us. (we are STILL there)

Uh, Hemi? Where's your 'number of Americans killed per year' stat HERE? Huh? Oh, I guess it wouldn't serve your purpose to have to put up a BIG FAT ZERO, would it? ZERO combat deaths in Kosovo. Not ONE. We accomplished our mission, we had international support, and we also accomplished our broader strategic goal of ending the Milosevic regime and bringing him to trial, WITH ZERO AMERICAN COMBAT DEATHS. I know a president that would love to be able to say he had a similar scorecard for his little war... and he's president RIGHT NOW.

He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter

three times by Sudan and did nothing.

Horsehockeypucks... this is a long-debunked myth. Some of the details...

URL=http://www.makethemaccountable.com/myth/ClintonAndTerrorism.htm/URL

Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

And Clinton hit back at him, despite the continued attacks of Republican Congresspeople... see the above link.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us

President Bush has ...

liberated two countries,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3139455.stm

This report is from a year ago; things have gotten WORSE in Afghanistan since. The Afghanistan victory, cheered by all segments of the American political spectrum, is now in danger of slipping away... why? Because of Iraq and the massive drawdown of forces in Afghanistan.

crushed the Taliban,

Don't look now, Hemi... the Taliban is staging a comeback...

URL=http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0508/p01s02-wosc.html

crippled al-Qaida,

Whoops...

URL=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,113970,00.html

Thought you'd want a 'fair and balanced' source to rely on here to tell you that al Qaeda is FAR from 'crippled'...

put nuclear inspectors in Libya,

Iran

IRAN? Excuse me? The Iranians are moving full speed ahead, dude...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...4&u=/nm/20040721/ts_nm/iran_usa_strategy_dc_1

and North Korea

WHAT? North Korea? Thanks for the laugh, man...why is the Bush administration impotently asking the North Koreans to end their nuke program IF WE PUT U.N. INSPECTORS IN THERE? ANSWER: BECAUSE THIS IS A LIE. THEY HAVE NOT ACCEPTED U.N. INSPECTORS. YOU'RE LYING.
http://www.adn.com/24hour/world/story/1508320p-9000177c.html

without firing a shot,

and captured a terrorist who slaughtered

300,000 of his own people.

At a cost of, as of today, 900 American lives, $200 billion plus (it'll probably end up being $400 billion), and the hatred of 99% of the world's 1 billion mainstream Muslims.

The Democrats (and media) are complaining

about how long the war is taking, but...

It took less time to take Iraq

than it took Janet Reno to take the

Branch Davidian compound.

Hate to quibble... but it's been a fucking year and three months. We haven't 'taken' Iraq yet.

That was a 51 day operation (against American men, women and children).

Are you really, truly trying to say that when Bush stood on the deck of the Abraham Lincoln, and that 'Mission Accomplished' sign flapped behind him, that he was not blowing smoke up the ass of the American people? COME ON.

We've been looking for evidence of

chemical weapons in Iraq for less

time than it took Hillary Clinton to

find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

Horseshit. If there were chemical weapons in Iraq, the swarms of American forces looking for them could have found them EASILY. Do you have any idea how easy it is for those detectors to find even trace remnants of chemical weapons?

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division

and the Marines to destroy the Medina

Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to

call the police after his Oldsmobile

sank at Chappaquiddick.

A day? A DAY? Are you shitting me? Because that's how long it took Ted to own up. You must have access to some serious chemicals to post this bullshit. The Republican Guards are still shooting at my Marine cousin, man! What a bunch of crap.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took

to count the votes in Florida!!!!

Thanks to the mobs of taxpayer-funded Republican Congressional staffer that were sent down to Florida to harass, and in one case to assault, vote-counters. This is NOT a winning argument for your side, man.

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing the best job he knows how!

WHICH IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM!!!

The Military is doing a superb job, given the circumstances!

The circumstances being... that they're working for an idiot who thinks occupying an ancient Arab land will cause Islamists everywhere to become Kiwanis Club members and Republicans!!!

The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts.

EXACTLY! Fox News is counting on it!

 
Korea was definitely necessary. And thank god we did something when we did. It was an early call, but a very good move because those guys were and kinda still are blood thirsty lunatics. I dunno if you saw on 60 minutes, but a Swedish group interviewed children at a Korean school, and those kids are taught the All Americans are nazis and should be murdered. You see these elementary schools students swearing apon their vow to slit American throats. Thank god we got them when we did.

Anyways, Saddam and Iraq have everything to do with terrorists..and everyone knows that. Of course Saddam was selling weapons to those bastards. It's difficult to find documented proof of these things, for obvious reasons, but I think it's pretty clear what was happening here. Even, if ( an if I don't think is an if at all, but for you doubters) Saddam hadn't been selling weapons to terrorists, he was a crazy murderer and his downfall is affording no loss to anyone on this planet. You couldn't find one person who would say that his capture has been a bad thing. He killed miilions of his own people. And he had biological weapons in the Gulf War, leaving no reason to think he couldn't have them now. Overall, it's difficult to find any fault with the outcome of what's happened in Iraq. I'm thankful for the service of our men, and the safety they've granted us.

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hucker your first rebuttle about comparing numbers of deaths in chicago is stupid. your saying we have X (amount of troops in Iraq) but you talk about (Y amount of people in chicago). I think to be fair with those assumptions you made we would have to include the number of PEOPLE in Iraq not, troops considering the troops arnt killing each other they are being killed by people in Iraq.

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the tonkin gulf incident wasnt completely bullshit by the way, one of our ships was attacked, but the other attack was made up, its unlclear what svhucker said but it sounded like he meant it never happened

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hey- freezy- thanks for the realevant contribution.

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a vast majority of you have absolutely no idea what youre talking about

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sadaam murdered millions of his own people with chemical weapons just because they were a different religion and wanted to start their own country, away from him. he was and is a murderer who needed to be stripped of power. iraqis wanted him out and the world NEEDED him out. kerry sucks, the economy is rising, go bush...

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