Winter Park's "Eskimo Express" is now "Explorer Express"

[cyphers]

Last summer, we examined the names of our trails and lifts, and recognized that the name “Eskimo” is considered derogatory and offensive by many. Through research we learned people in many parts of the Arctic consider Eskimo a derogatory term because it was widely used by racist, non-native colonizers. Many people also thought it meant eater of raw meat, which connoted barbarism and violence. Brands with longer histories than Winter Park’s have also decided to abandon the term. The iconic Eskimo Pie dropped the name in 2020, and the Edmonton Canadian football team announced it would no longer use the name as well.

Winter Park is a place for all people to Venture Out, to escape and retreat, to transform and trailblaze. Winter Park is an inclusive place and that’s why we moved to change the name of the Eskimo Express Lift to the Explorer Express Lift. The name “Explorer” more accurately represents our resort, our brand, our team, and our guests.

Changed on trail map as well - https://www.winterparkresort.com/-/media/winter-park/downloads-pdfs/2020trailmap.ashx

**This thread was edited on Dec 4th 2020 at 9:04:35pm

 

[rubberpantaloons]

Good move on their part but shouldnt have taken nationwide protests for that to happen lol

 

[Mtuhockey33]

Good move on their part but shouldnt have taken nationwide protests for that to happen lol

People really have nothing better to do than Protest the name of a ski lift?!? I wish my life was that easy.

 

[WisconsinDogfart]

damn yall should be greatfill your chairlifts get names my local we get chair 1 and 2 and if we are lucky we get chair 3

 

[theabortionator]

Good for them. Not a big change. Not going to have any impact on me. Anybody who's angry about this is probably a tool. I'm sure there are some dads on facebook freaking out for no reason.

 

[theabortionator]

damn yall should be greatfill your chairlifts get names my local we get chair 1 and 2 and if we are lucky we get chair 3

Inb4 they have a contest to name the chair and "3" is chosen as the winner. would be kinda hilarious though.

 

[WisconsinDogfart]

Good for them. Not a big change. Not going to have any impact on me. Anybody who's angry about this is probably a tool. I'm sure there are some dads on facebook freaking out for no reason.

tf u mean it dont affect me i cant ride the racism chair ? the berve of some people smh

 

[methscratchface]

inb4 all the racist trumptards chime in about how rich their dads are.

 

[SavageBiff]

Ya apparently there’s a lotta contributing citizens out there who are not huge failures

People really have nothing better to do than Protest the name of a ski lift?!? I wish my life was that easy.

 

[r00kie]

damn yall should be greatfill your chairlifts get names my local we get chair 1 and 2 and if we are lucky we get chair 3

I'm a big fan of the color system. The red chair is called the red chair. As simple as it gets.

 

[WP_Skier]

What a load of politically correct BS.

Last time I checked, "eater of raw meat" could also include sushi fans.

Sushi & sahimi are considered high cuisine and not really barbarous or

violent, huh?

"Brands with longer histories than Winter Park’s have also decided to

abandon the term..."

Everybody else was doing it. Yup, the best justification for anything.

I hope Alterra is listening:

I guess the term Drunken Frenchman doesn't offend the right people?

What about the fact that one half of the resort is named for a whore?

(Sorry stoners, twas not for the weed...)

Well, I guess "Explorer" is OK. I'll just think about explorers like Columbus,

Cortés, Lewis & Clark and any number of other white male oppressors I can

conjure up as I ride the Eskimo Express.

Think about all the pioneers that followed Lewis & Clark that displaced the

indigenous people in North America. The Pioneer lift will have to go.

What about all them nasty prospectors that came out west and raped the land.

Can't have the Prospector lift triggering the snowflakes either.

The Iron Horse was the carbon belching bringer of the white man...gotta go

Challenger, a Union Pacific steam locomotive, ginormous, carbon footprint

the size of a Wyoming coal field...outta here.

Galloping Goose? Yup, another one of them fossil fuel burning despoilers of

the pristine west.

And Pony Express...any idea how hard they rode them ponies? I bet PETA

has something to say about that.

There are some trail names that need rethinking too...aside from the first one

I mentioned, how about Riflesight Notch, Gunbarrel, Shootout, Quickdraw?

Guns & violence. Can't have that.

Brakeman? Come on now, women have been working on the railroad since

World War II. Brakeperson seems appropriate.

We have the "Dark Territory" which refers to unsignaled railroad tracks that

requires specific clearance to operate on. (kudos to whoever came up with

such an appropriate name) However, I'm sure we can come up with some

way that name offends someone.

Watch as our history is erased before our eyes.

 

[a_burger]

What a load of politically correct BS.

Last time I checked, "eater of raw meat" could also include sushi fans.

Sushi & sahimi are considered high cuisine and not really barbarous or

violent, huh?

"Brands with longer histories than Winter Park’s have also decided to

abandon the term..."

Everybody else was doing it. Yup, the best justification for anything.

I hope Alterra is listening:

I guess the term Drunken Frenchman doesn't offend the right people?

What about the fact that one half of the resort is named for a whore?

(Sorry stoners, twas not for the weed...)

Well, I guess "Explorer" is OK. I'll just think about explorers like Columbus,

Cortés, Lewis & Clark and any number of other white male oppressors I can

conjure up as I ride the Eskimo Express.

Think about all the pioneers that followed Lewis & Clark that displaced the

indigenous people in North America. The Pioneer lift will have to go.

What about all them nasty prospectors that came out west and raped the land.

Can't have the Prospector lift triggering the snowflakes either.

The Iron Horse was the carbon belching bringer of the white man...gotta go

Challenger, a Union Pacific steam locomotive, ginormous, carbon footprint

the size of a Wyoming coal field...outta here.

Galloping Goose? Yup, another one of them fossil fuel burning despoilers of

the pristine west.

And Pony Express...any idea how hard they rode them ponies? I bet PETA

has something to say about that.

There are some trail names that need rethinking too...aside from the first one

I mentioned, how about Riflesight Notch, Gunbarrel, Shootout, Quickdraw?

Guns & violence. Can't have that.

Brakeman? Come on now, women have been working on the railroad since

World War II. Brakeperson seems appropriate.

We have the "Dark Territory" which refers to unsignaled railroad tracks that

requires specific clearance to operate on. (kudos to whoever came up with

such an appropriate name) However, I'm sure we can come up with some

way that name offends someone.

Watch as our history is erased before our eyes.

imagine getting so worked up by a chairlift name that you make an account and post all this

 

[CLQ]

What a load of politically correct BS.

Last time I checked, "eater of raw meat" could also include sushi fans.

Sushi & sahimi are considered high cuisine and not really barbarous or

violent, huh?

"Brands with longer histories than Winter Park’s have also decided to

abandon the term..."

Everybody else was doing it. Yup, the best justification for anything.

I hope Alterra is listening:

I guess the term Drunken Frenchman doesn't offend the right people?

What about the fact that one half of the resort is named for a whore?

(Sorry stoners, twas not for the weed...)

Well, I guess "Explorer" is OK. I'll just think about explorers like Columbus,

Cortés, Lewis & Clark and any number of other white male oppressors I can

conjure up as I ride the Eskimo Express.

Think about all the pioneers that followed Lewis & Clark that displaced the

indigenous people in North America. The Pioneer lift will have to go.

What about all them nasty prospectors that came out west and raped the land.

Can't have the Prospector lift triggering the snowflakes either.

The Iron Horse was the carbon belching bringer of the white man...gotta go

Challenger, a Union Pacific steam locomotive, ginormous, carbon footprint

the size of a Wyoming coal field...outta here.

Galloping Goose? Yup, another one of them fossil fuel burning despoilers of

the pristine west.

And Pony Express...any idea how hard they rode them ponies? I bet PETA

has something to say about that.

There are some trail names that need rethinking too...aside from the first one

I mentioned, how about Riflesight Notch, Gunbarrel, Shootout, Quickdraw?

Guns & violence. Can't have that.

Brakeman? Come on now, women have been working on the railroad since

World War II. Brakeperson seems appropriate.

We have the "Dark Territory" which refers to unsignaled railroad tracks that

requires specific clearance to operate on. (kudos to whoever came up with

such an appropriate name) However, I'm sure we can come up with some

way that name offends someone.

Watch as our history is erased before our eyes.

Did u used to fuck the Eskimo Express or something? Why do you have such intense feelings over it having to be name the eskimo express? Ur a dirty lift fucker, stop fucking our lifts

 

[r00kie]

What a load of politically correct BS.

Last time I checked, "eater of raw meat" could also include sushi fans.

Sushi & sahimi are considered high cuisine and not really barbarous or

violent, huh?

"Brands with longer histories than Winter Park’s have also decided to

abandon the term..."

Everybody else was doing it. Yup, the best justification for anything.

I hope Alterra is listening:

I guess the term Drunken Frenchman doesn't offend the right people?

What about the fact that one half of the resort is named for a whore?

(Sorry stoners, twas not for the weed...)

Well, I guess "Explorer" is OK. I'll just think about explorers like Columbus,

Cortés, Lewis & Clark and any number of other white male oppressors I can

conjure up as I ride the Eskimo Express.

Think about all the pioneers that followed Lewis & Clark that displaced the

indigenous people in North America. The Pioneer lift will have to go.

What about all them nasty prospectors that came out west and raped the land.

Can't have the Prospector lift triggering the snowflakes either.

The Iron Horse was the carbon belching bringer of the white man...gotta go

Challenger, a Union Pacific steam locomotive, ginormous, carbon footprint

the size of a Wyoming coal field...outta here.

Galloping Goose? Yup, another one of them fossil fuel burning despoilers of

the pristine west.

And Pony Express...any idea how hard they rode them ponies? I bet PETA

has something to say about that.

There are some trail names that need rethinking too...aside from the first one

I mentioned, how about Riflesight Notch, Gunbarrel, Shootout, Quickdraw?

Guns & violence. Can't have that.

Brakeman? Come on now, women have been working on the railroad since

World War II. Brakeperson seems appropriate.

We have the "Dark Territory" which refers to unsignaled railroad tracks that

requires specific clearance to operate on. (kudos to whoever came up with

such an appropriate name) However, I'm sure we can come up with some

way that name offends someone.

Watch as our history is erased before our eyes.

Look man I question how far PC and cancel culture have gone but getting super worked up over the name of a chairlift is pretty stupid to hill to die on. Let it go, its not like they are rebranding Mary Jane.

 

[WP_Skier]

First off, thanks for quoting my entire thread. Glad to see it posted again.

Second, if people don't stand up to this stupidity, it will continue.

Somewhere, someone got "worked up enough" to take offense at the name Eskimo.

Activism works both ways.

 

[WP_Skier]

Let it go, its not like they are rebranding Mary Jane.

Buried in my rant was that implication. How many people will need to take offense at Mary Jane's

less than respectable line of business before they change the name?

 

[r00kie]

First off, thanks for quoting my entire thread. Glad to see it posted again.

Second, if people don't stand up to this stupidity, it will continue.

Somewhere, someone got "worked up enough" to take offense at the name Eskimo.

Activism works both ways.

Getting worked up about a chairlift name is not activism. Activism is advocating and working towards a cultural shift around an actual problem.

 

[WP_Skier]

Did u used to fuck the Eskimo Express or something? Why do you have such intense feelings over it having to be name the eskimo express? Ur a dirty lift fucker, stop fucking our lifts

Thank you for your thoughtful response to my post. I guess you typically don't deal well with differences of opinion

I wonder if the readers will find your post more or less offensive than mine.

 

[CLQ]

Thank you for your thoughtful response to my post. I guess you typically don't deal well with differences of opinion

I wonder if the readers will find your post more or less offensive than mine.

It's more than just a difference of opinion, fucking ski lifts is absolutely disgusting. Kids ride on those lifts you piece of shit

 

[skiindiana]

Getting worked up about a chairlift name is not activism. Activism is advocating and working towards a cultural shift around an actual problem.

While getting worked up about a chairlift is stupid, it's part of what I'm annoyed with my party. Going around getting names changed on things does not create a 'cultural shift'. It does next to nothing.

I was universal healthcare. I don't care what things are named. One matters. One doesn't, but gets a ton of likes on twitter.

 

[theabortionator]

First off, thanks for quoting my entire thread. Glad to see it posted again.

Second, if people don't stand up to this stupidity, it will continue.

Somewhere, someone got "worked up enough" to take offense at the name Eskimo.

Activism works both ways.

Lol. At least post your whack ass views on your normal account.

This is exactly what I was talking about earlier about weirdos getting way too upset about this.

It wasn't even a total pc shitshow. They just changed the name to explorer, why do you care so much?

 

[theabortionator]

While getting worked up about a chairlift is stupid, it's part of what I'm annoyed with my party. Going around getting names changed on things does not create a 'cultural shift'. It does next to nothing.

I was universal healthcare. I don't care what things are named. One matters. One doesn't, but gets a ton of likes on twitter.

Not surprised to see you here.

 

[skiindiana]

Not surprised to see you here.

I don't care about the name change. I do care about my party thinking they're doing anything by focusing on changing names as some kind of win.

 

[r00kie]

I don't care about the name change. I do care about my party thinking they're doing anything by focusing on changing names as some kind of win.

Your "im not a conservative" but argues only extreme conservative points is getting tired, alongside everything else you post.

 

[skiindiana]

Your "im not a conservative" but argues only extreme conservative points is getting tired, alongside everything else you post.

Me arguing against keeping poor kids out of school or closing small businesses while keeping big ones open is not 'conservative'.

If you think that's political that says more about you than me. I was part of the anti-lockdown protests this year, and George Floyd protests too.

 

[mountaindewgirl]

Today I learned that Eskimo is a derogatory term.

 

[FruitBootPro]

Meh.

I think the outrage about these kinds of things is annoying, but I don't really give a shit that it's changed. I don't think the resort's decision is problematic. The lift is still the lift, who cares what mouth sounds we use to identify it with.

**This post was edited on Dec 5th 2020 at 11:58:26pm

 

[mcswizzle]

Buried in my rant was that implication. How many people will need to take offense at Mary Jane's

less than respectable line of business before they change the name?

Frontier prostitutes are more hip than ever dude, if anything they should rename all the lifts after local sex workers. There was never an appreciable population of indigenous arctic dwellers in Winter Park (as far as I know) so it makes way more sense to bestow the names of women of the night on all the chair lifts.

 

[Chunderface]

LOLLLL no one gave a fuck about the word eskimo then, and no one gives a fuck now. Fuck off. Virtue signaling morons.

 

[SavageBiff]

Apparently so are these ?

Today I learned that Eskimo is a derogatory term.

 

[Chris.B]

Heres the wikipedia entry for the origin of the work Ekismo which I found interesting.

There exists a scholarly consensus that the word Eskimo etymologically derives from the Innu-aimun (Montagnais) word ayas̆kimew meaning "a person who laces a snowshoe" (an origin proposed by Ives Goddard at the Smithsonian Institution),[27] is related to husky (a breed of dog), and does not have pejorative meaning in origin.[2][28][29][27] (The word assime·w means "she laces a snowshoe" in Innu, and Innu language speakers refer to the neighbouring Mi'kmaq people using words that sound like eskimo.[30][31])

In 1978, José Mailhot, a Quebec anthropologist who speaks Montagnais, published a paper suggesting that Eskimo meant "people who speak a different language".[32][33]

Some people consider Eskimo offensive, because it is popularly perceived to mean[27][33][34][35] "eaters of raw meat" in Algonquian languages common to people along the Atlantic coast.[28][36][37] An unnamed Cree speaker suggested the original word that became corrupted to Eskimo might have been askamiciw (which means "he eats it raw"); the Inuit are referred to in some Cree texts as askipiw (which means "eats something raw").[36][37][38][39] Some people still believe that Eskimo translates to "eater of raw meat", which may be seen or used in a pejorative way.[12][40][41][36][42] However, this etymology has been discredited.[43]

I think "E-dollo Express" would be a better replacement than "Explorer Express" btw.

 

[theabortionator]

I think "E-dollo Express" would be a better replacement than "Explorer Express" btw.

I think we can all agree with this. When the lift starts instead if making that beep song it barks at you.

 

[KCoCM]

Buried in my rant was that implication. How many people will need to take offense at Mary Jane's

less than respectable line of business before they change the name?

so change the name. who cares lol

 

[KCoCM]

Not surprised to see you here.

lolllll

 

[WisconsinDogfart]

I'm a big fan of the color system. The red chair is called the red chair. As simple as it gets.

it used to be that way here until they painted all the chairs silver. usually people, including myself, refer to the lifts as “the one over there”, “the one in the middle”, and “ the one by the park”

 

[Millenialfalcon]

Can we all agree it’s kinda funny how he explains the term “squaw” is offensive then signs the memo coo of “SQUAW valley”?

 

[GayWolf420]

dont go skiing and complain about it on the internet then. more for us lol

and yeah for what its worth, the fact that there are people involved in skiing that are bothered by "muh PC culture" and changing the names of charilifts definitely means you probably arent too fond of POC's either.

**This post was edited on Dec 6th 2020 at 9:21:56pm

 

[Bended_Toenail]

I didn't care when it was called Eskimo Express, I didn't care when they were talking about changing it, and I sure as hell don't care that they did.

I like it when ski resorts use numbers for chair names

 

[FruitBootPro]

Heres the wikipedia entry for the origin of the work Ekismo which I found interesting.

There exists a scholarly consensus that the word Eskimo etymologically derives from the Innu-aimun (Montagnais) word ayas̆kimew meaning "a person who laces a snowshoe" (an origin proposed by Ives Goddard at the Smithsonian Institution),[27] is related to husky (a breed of dog), and does not have pejorative meaning in origin.[2][28][29][27] (The word assime·w means "she laces a snowshoe" in Innu, and Innu language speakers refer to the neighbouring Mi'kmaq people using words that sound like eskimo.[30][31])

In 1978, José Mailhot, a Quebec anthropologist who speaks Montagnais, published a paper suggesting that Eskimo meant "people who speak a different language".[32][33]

Some people consider Eskimo offensive, because it is popularly perceived to mean[27][33][34][35] "eaters of raw meat" in Algonquian languages common to people along the Atlantic coast.[28][36][37] An unnamed Cree speaker suggested the original word that became corrupted to Eskimo might have been askamiciw (which means "he eats it raw"); the Inuit are referred to in some Cree texts as askipiw (which means "eats something raw").[36][37][38][39] Some people still believe that Eskimo translates to "eater of raw meat", which may be seen or used in a pejorative way.[12][40][41][36][42] However, this etymology has been discredited.[43]

hmmm, so maybe the outrage about the word "eskimo" might actually be largely baseless virtue signaling after all.

whatever :|

 

[Millenialfalcon]

dont go skiing and complain about it on the internet then. more for us lol

and yeah for what its worth, the fact that there are people involved in skiing that are bothered by "muh PC culture" and changing the names of charilifts definitely means you probably arent too fond of POC's either.

**This post was edited on Dec 6th 2020 at 9:21:56pm

Because someone doesn’t want to change the name of the chair lift that means they’re not too fond of POC’s?

Ignorant comment of the day, folks.

#dumbass

**This post was edited on Dec 7th 2020 at 6:58:01am

 

[SavageBiff]

how come no one is campaigning to change the names of either whiteface mountain, or “ whiteface “, slides ?

 

[Mtuhockey33]

how come no one is campaigning to change the names of either whiteface mountain, or “ whiteface “, slides ?

Dude that’s not racist. You can’t be racist against non POC; it doesn’t work like that.

 

[SmokedGouda]

What a load of politically correct BS.

Last time I checked, "eater of raw meat" could also include sushi fans.

Sushi & sahimi are considered high cuisine and not really barbarous or

violent, huh?

"Brands with longer histories than Winter Park’s have also decided to

abandon the term..."

Everybody else was doing it. Yup, the best justification for anything.

I hope Alterra is listening:

I guess the term Drunken Frenchman doesn't offend the right people?

What about the fact that one half of the resort is named for a whore?

(Sorry stoners, twas not for the weed...)

Well, I guess "Explorer" is OK. I'll just think about explorers like Columbus,

Cortés, Lewis & Clark and any number of other white male oppressors I can

conjure up as I ride the Eskimo Express.

Think about all the pioneers that followed Lewis & Clark that displaced the

indigenous people in North America. The Pioneer lift will have to go.

What about all them nasty prospectors that came out west and raped the land.

Can't have the Prospector lift triggering the snowflakes either.

The Iron Horse was the carbon belching bringer of the white man...gotta go

Challenger, a Union Pacific steam locomotive, ginormous, carbon footprint

the size of a Wyoming coal field...outta here.

Galloping Goose? Yup, another one of them fossil fuel burning despoilers of

the pristine west.

And Pony Express...any idea how hard they rode them ponies? I bet PETA

has something to say about that.

There are some trail names that need rethinking too...aside from the first one

I mentioned, how about Riflesight Notch, Gunbarrel, Shootout, Quickdraw?

Guns & violence. Can't have that.

Brakeman? Come on now, women have been working on the railroad since

World War II. Brakeperson seems appropriate.

We have the "Dark Territory" which refers to unsignaled railroad tracks that

requires specific clearance to operate on. (kudos to whoever came up with

such an appropriate name) However, I'm sure we can come up with some

way that name offends someone.

Watch as our history is erased before our eyes.

Lmao

 

[Chunderface]

What a load of politically correct BS.

Last time I checked, "eater of raw meat" could also include sushi fans.

Sushi & sahimi are considered high cuisine and not really barbarous or

violent, huh?

"Brands with longer histories than Winter Park’s have also decided to

abandon the term..."

Everybody else was doing it. Yup, the best justification for anything.

I hope Alterra is listening:

I guess the term Drunken Frenchman doesn't offend the right people?

What about the fact that one half of the resort is named for a whore?

(Sorry stoners, twas not for the weed...)

Well, I guess "Explorer" is OK. I'll just think about explorers like Columbus,

Cortés, Lewis & Clark and any number of other white male oppressors I can

conjure up as I ride the Eskimo Express.

Think about all the pioneers that followed Lewis & Clark that displaced the

indigenous people in North America. The Pioneer lift will have to go.

What about all them nasty prospectors that came out west and raped the land.

Can't have the Prospector lift triggering the snowflakes either.

The Iron Horse was the carbon belching bringer of the white man...gotta go

Challenger, a Union Pacific steam locomotive, ginormous, carbon footprint

the size of a Wyoming coal field...outta here.

Galloping Goose? Yup, another one of them fossil fuel burning despoilers of

the pristine west.

And Pony Express...any idea how hard they rode them ponies? I bet PETA

has something to say about that.

There are some trail names that need rethinking too...aside from the first one

I mentioned, how about Riflesight Notch, Gunbarrel, Shootout, Quickdraw?

Guns & violence. Can't have that.

Brakeman? Come on now, women have been working on the railroad since

World War II. Brakeperson seems appropriate.

We have the "Dark Territory" which refers to unsignaled railroad tracks that

requires specific clearance to operate on. (kudos to whoever came up with

such an appropriate name) However, I'm sure we can come up with some

way that name offends someone.

Watch as our history is erased before our eyes.

I think all those downvotes missed the irony here. I wonder if there is some way we can just cancel the Winter Park name, too? There's got be some reason its racist.

 

[SavageBiff]

We could just convert all names to numbers

I think all those downvotes missed the irony here. I wonder if there is some way we can just cancel the Winter Park name, too? There's got be some reason its racist.