Will I regret putting Pivot 18s on my pow skis?

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Quicksand

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Have a chance to grab some 2 year old new FKS 180s for absolute dirt cheap.

I'm looking for bindings to put on new 191 K2 Catamarans (120 waist). I'm 6'3, 200 lbs, pretty aggressive skier, but I'm not hucking 50 foot cliffs and I know I don't need an 18 din binding, but the price is almost too good to pass up.

I've read that Pivots aren't the best choice for wider skis because of a narrower mounting point. Also I'd rather not have a binding as heavy as this needed but I doubt I would even notice it.

Should I just look at a lower din Attack or Sth?
 
Ill trade you some barely used pivot 14s for the 18s. They're a little lighter in a better din range for you
 
topic:Quicksand said:
Have a chance to grab some 2 year old new FKS 180s for absolute dirt cheap.

I'm looking for bindings to put on new 191 K2 Catamarans (120 waist). I'm 6'3, 200 lbs, pretty aggressive skier, but I'm not hucking 50 foot cliffs and I know I don't need an 18 din binding, but the price is almost too good to pass up.

I've read that Pivots aren't the best choice for wider skis because of a narrower mounting point. Also I'd rather not have a binding as heavy as this needed but I doubt I would even notice it.

Should I just look at a lower din Attack or Sth?
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Can you elaborate on what you mean by narrower mounting point?

I dont see any reason you shouldnt pull the trigger on the p18's.

They hold their resale value, the plastics in them dont expire (because there isnt any), and you seem big enough to warrant an 18 Din Binding.

FKS/Pivots are arguably the best binding on the market and im sure your well within the 8-18 Din range
 
can confirm they're a pain in the ass if you crash in deep snow

otherwise you will not regret it
 
I rock pivots on my pow skis, never had an issue. If you crash and are struggling to put them back on you can just lift up on the heel piece instead of relying completely on stomping down which makes them easier than markers imo.
 
Sounds fuckin great dude do it haha. Who cares about weight on a lift-accessed pow/freeride ski? Sounds like a dope setup to me
 
13952634:supersquid said:
Can you elaborate on what you mean by narrower mounting point?

I dont see any reason you shouldnt pull the trigger on the p18's.

They hold their resale value, the plastics in them dont expire (because there isnt any), and you seem big enough to warrant an 18 Din Binding.

FKS/Pivots are arguably the best binding on the market and im sure your well within the 8-18 Din range
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I actually don't know what I mean, when I was researching old threads about the Pivots on different sites I saw mentioned more than once that the screws were mounted closer than bindings like the Attacks or Sths and therefore had less power transfer into a wider ski. To me that sounds like it can't possibly be true or be a big enough margin to make a difference. Just what I had read and thought I'd mention it.

I rode K2 Pettitors (same length and waist) for about 4 years and I had an Axial 120 binding on that. I rode it at 11 and only had issues pre-releasing maybe 3-4 times over 150 days of riding it. Maybe my biggest concern about the Pivot is that I'm getting more than half a pound on each of my feet going to the 18. Will I really even notice that small amount of a weight under my boot, or am I concerned over nothing?

**This post was edited on Oct 22nd 2018 at 11:39:26am
 
13952711:SofaKingSick said:
Sounds fuckin great dude do it haha. Who cares about weight on a lift-accessed pow/freeride ski? Sounds like a dope setup to me
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I was planning to throw my Daymakers on there for some short tours but I'll just consider the metal toe some free exercise.
 
13952715:Quicksand said:
I was planning to throw my Daymakers on there for some short tours but I'll just consider the metal toe some free exercise.
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Yeah so okay I mean that's a consideration then. I don't remember how much weight that adds and idk how long you plan to tour on them so that's your call but otherwise that's just a great binding. The mounting pattern width isn't an issue, like of course it's prob a good point that a modern binding benefits from a wider mounting pattern on today's skis, but I've never heard someone complain about the energy transmission of their pivots haha, they wouldn't have their great rep if they didn't perform so well

So what I'm saying is yeah if you might tour on them you should think about it, but as a downhill setup that's just a sick one
 
13952724:SofaKingSick said:
Yeah so okay I mean that's a consideration then. I don't remember how much weight that adds and idk how long you plan to tour on them so that's your call but otherwise that's just a great binding. The mounting pattern width isn't an issue, like of course it's prob a good point that a modern binding benefits from a wider mounting pattern on today's skis, but I've never heard someone complain about the energy transmission of their pivots haha, they wouldn't have their great rep if they didn't perform so well

So what I'm saying is yeah if you might tour on them you should think about it, but as a downhill setup that's just a sick one
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That's what I am thinking as well. Thank you for your input sir. Do you have any feedback about the weight of them downhill vs lighter bindings?
 
13952727:Quicksand said:
That's what I am thinking as well. Thank you for your input sir. Do you have any feedback about the weight of them downhill vs lighter bindings?
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13952728:Rum_Ham said:
Heavier is better downhill. But you won’t notice much except when you’re in the air
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Yeah you're a big dude with big skis, having p18s on your downhill setup should be the least of your worries haha. That won't be an issue at all and will only help you. I feel like when we're obsessing over gear during offseason it's easy to forget that an extra half pound is not even a concern when it affords you great dependable performance in some pretty gnarly situations.

the possibility of doing tours on these skis is the only things that should have you second guessing these bindings. If that's a significant concern for this setup then yeah I guess maybe you should consider some Attacks
 
Get the p18s, if you wanna tour, get a cast system. The pivots smaller mount point is actually a plus in terms of feel/power transfer, it’s minimal presence allows your ski to flex the way it was designed too, and there’s no dead spot feeling behind the heel. You won’t notice the weight nearly as much as you think because the binding is consolidated closer to your center of gravity. An added plus is that the bindings will easily outlast the skis your mounting them on. I’m on my fifth season on one pair, and I bought them used. Honestly tho, you gotta ski it to believe it.
 
Thanks for all the info boys, I'm set on the P18s now. I doubt my touring will ever extend out of the slackcountry so I think I'm needlessly worried about weight savings.
 
13952713:Quicksand said:
I actually don't know what I mean, when I was researching old threads about the Pivots on different sites I saw mentioned more than once that the screws were mounted closer than bindings like the Attacks or Sths and therefore had less power transfer into a wider ski. To me that sounds like it can't possibly be true or be a big enough margin to make a difference. Just what I had read and thought I'd mention it.

I rode K2 Pettitors (same length and waist) for about 4 years and I had an Axial 120 binding on that. I rode it at 11 and only had issues pre-releasing maybe 3-4 times over 150 days of riding it. Maybe my biggest concern about the Pivot is that I'm getting more than half a pound on each of my feet going to the 18. Will I really even notice that small amount of a weight under my boot, or am I concerned over nothing?

**This post was edited on Oct 22nd 2018 at 11:39:26am
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Have you ridden the Catamaran? Not to hijack, but my 189 Pettitor 120's are possible my favorite ski ever, but I need to replace them. Wondering how similar the Catamaran is to the Pettitor. I think I read its supposed to be basically the same ski, but not sure.
 
13953047:CoaxArc said:
Have you ridden the Catamaran? Not to hijack, but my 189 Pettitor 120's are possible my favorite ski ever, but I need to replace them. Wondering how similar the Catamaran is to the Pettitor. I think I read its supposed to be basically the same ski, but not sure.
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I rode the exact same 189 Shreditor 120 for 4 years, and it too is my favorite ski ever. I haven't ridden the Catamarans yet but I'm sure I'm going to love them. Apparently this is everything that ski was and better. Newschoolers has a pretty awesome write up on it that sold me -https://www.newschoolers.com/news/read/2018-K2-Catamaran-Review
 
13952715:Quicksand said:
I was planning to throw my Daymakers on there for some short tours but I'll just consider the metal toe some free exercise.
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you have daymakers... no need worrying about the weight difference between the plastic and metal binding. that being said the pivot 18 is the best binding ever made...
 
13953349:NEPTR said:
you have daymakers... no need worrying about the weight difference between the plastic and metal binding. that being said the pivot 18 is the best binding ever made...
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I’ve read a few people say the pivot isn’t as good for wider skis cause of the width of the base (specifically the AFD) and thus less power transfer to the edges. Any truth to this?
 
13953393:Quicksand said:
I’ve read a few people say the pivot isn’t as good for wider skis cause of the width of the base (specifically the AFD) and thus less power transfer to the edges. Any truth to this?
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Doubt it. Idk the widths of pivots and other bindings off the top of my head but doubt it's anything significant and probably just conjecture.
 
Pivot 18s are a love it or hate it thing. Most bomber binding? yes. Great re-sell value? yes. Heaviest alpine binding? yes pain in the ass (comparatively) to put back on in pow? yes.
 
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