WHY are we letting this HAPPEN?

Letting? I don't think you understand the fact that the earth goes through separate stages throughout the millions of years it has been around. The glaciers are left over from the last ice age, which was many thousands of years ago. The glaciers were bound to melt eventually, and although it's happening ten years earlier than expected, you really think that in the lifespan of the earth that 10 years means anything? Predictions are just that, predictions. They are guesses at best and while ten years sooner may seem like a lot to humans, what with out relatively short lifespans, in actual time, 10 years is a joke. We aren't "letting" this "happen" at all. There is absolutely nothing we can do to stop the glaciers from melting, granted we may be speeding it up a little bit, but they were going to melt eventually anyway.
 
because the stats show that the more the glaciers melt, the more snow i get at my favorite skihills. i don't know what the correlation between the two is, but as long as we're still getting record dumps here, i could care less how much ice is floating around. sure, i'll upgrade my lightbulbs and ride my bike more and carpool more, but that doesn't mean i actually care.
 
Haha yeah no, I have enough of those in real life with my friend. He's mad into business and is way crazy about there being no global warming. I personally don't take sides, but I do believe that the world is going to melt no matter what we do haha.
 
I agree that the glaciers are eventfully going to melt but I think you’re minimizing the "little bit" that we are speeding up the process. The earth may go in a climate cycles but that unnatural "little bit" is going to cause thousands of species to go extinct, render millions of acres of land unusable for agriculture and cause a epidemic of famine and diseases through the world poorest countries. Predictions may just be predictions but when they come from the vast majority of scientist they probably should be taken seriously. We can make a difference by conserving what we can and supporting change in global energy consumption. I’m fine with peoples ignorance is bliss approach to the whole subject but its getting to point where the argument that this whole global warming thing is cyclical so we don’t need to worry about it , is starting to get old
 
yea... like, what's your point? everyone is fully aware that glacier are melting. In fact, they have been doing so for, oh, about 10 000 years or so now. There is so much shit going on right now with the environment that one small corner of Montana isn't really up there for things to worry about.
I think humans fucked up when we started making parks to protect the land. Using British Columbia as an example, we have a lot of protected areas (provincial parks, national parks, etc), but what does it all mean? If you look at the map, it may seam like a lot of the province is protected and that we don't have very much to worry about. BUT - when you start looking at elevation and ecological zones throughout the province you start to see that the picture becomes a little confusing. Almost all of the protected land in British Columbia is sub-alpine and alpine. Sure, those glaciated mountain tops are some of the most beautiful landforms on this planet, but other than the perception of the human eye, what does that really mean? So, we've got all this protected land that is high elevation where humans don't really go, and can't really live, while the valleys where all the biomass is, are free game for all industries to do what the please.
So while those glaciers may be beautiful, I'm not entirely sure they need our protection (against ourselves). We need to seriously rethink what we need to protect and why. There is a proposal to make the lower Similkameen River into a National Park, but those that live in the valley are protesting said park and odds are, the park will never exist. This makes me sad because projects like this are what we need to be doing in order to truly save our ecosystem. Or valleys are becoming busy, developed, loud, with a lack of proper green belts to allow the animals to travel naturally and live a normal wild life. Our valleys (especially in the Kootenay Region) are home to rare inland temperate rain forests that are being logged at a fast rate, destroying the natural habitat. Soon Western Canada will no longer have it's large mammals and beautiful forests that the world knows us for.
It is what we are doing in and to our valleys that is making the glaciers melt. Yet, people seam to think that the glaciers themselves are something we need to deal with, why? Because people come from around the world to look at the glaciers in some park that doesn't even need to exist? Development needs a cap or the entire continent will look like the parking lot to your nearest "super Walmart".

So you ask WHY are we letting this HAPPEN, I ask, what do you actually know about it? Anybody can say "we have a problem", but that doesn't help anyone.
 
Yeah, I completely agree that global warming is happening and is not good, but a lot of the arguments about it being true are just stupid, but all the people who just sit there and say "global warming isn't real." are just ignorant. I'm in no way saying that it's not there and a good thing, but I was just pointing out the stupidity of the thread poster in saying that we are letting it "happen". We made our bed now we have to sleep in it. We can't change the fact that the glaciers are melting sooner than expected but we can try to prevent other things such as this from happening in the future. But then again I do believe that some people use "Global Warming" to capitalize on some peoples stupidity. There's just so many factors to take into account that neither side is truly right when it comes to it, and you can debate it all day but nobody will come out on top in the end.
 
I think we are speeding up the process that the earth was already warming but in the grand scheme of things what the earth has experienced in the last century is just little shit. The earth heated up around 16 degrees in 50 years after the last ice age or at least in some places of the world where sediment samples have shown that. We are actually pretty fortunate as human beings for the relative warmth we have had over the last 10,000 years or so because the warmer climate allowed our ancestors to hunt and gather abundant food and then spend time on things like developing a better arrow, or even the arts and sciences later through history. As much as I hate seeing a warming trend as a skier for most of the earth it is probably better. I do concede though that abrupt changes can be bad for civilizations as farmers would need to update methods that may be generations old but in todays world it wouldn't be too hard to educate farmers on methods that would allow to them to capitalize on a warmer climate. If you want to slow down the process you can do things like planting trees with your spare time and recycling your waste. I would actually like to plant some trees around here, not because I am eco freak but because I am interesting in horticulture and botany.
 
kinda under the same theory as the whole, pollution can promote more precipitation theory...
 
well, if you live in a place far away from the coast (i do) and your mountain is high enough to handle a little warming (like my home mountain is) to still have snow, theres not much to to fear.

glaciers are maybe overrated, of course they are important for a few animals and stuff, but in fact, most of them were measured the first time around 1850. back then there was a small period of very low temperatures. so were comparing to a unusual cold period in most cases when referring to the sizes of a glacier.

i would say that global warming is a normal thing. we just can hope that were not pushing it more than what our planet can handle.

and one thing, al gore didnt use correct numbers all the time. for pointing at the correct graph you wouldnt need an elevator. its just show to sell more.

sell more, a good point. as long as you can make money with this "green" thing, it seems hard to me to believe that all this guys are just working for "our planet".

 
Yeah... Fuck Glaciers, I want snow!
Seriously though, I don't see why people are so excited, the earth works in cycles, things change, species come and go, temperatures change, etc etc...
 
Of course, that doesn't mean I don't give a fuck about the environment, I love our forests and our natural spaces, we just have to accept that these things happen.
 
You're right. I just like them because they make everything prettier and provide shade in the hot north carolina summers. Also one of the easiest fucking things to take classes on in highschool.
 
I don't want this to turn into the typical NS global warming thread, with useless and uninformed posts on both sides of the argument...but honestly...the glaciers would not have melted this fast if we hadn't raised the temperature of the earth with all the pollution. And when the glaciers do melt, where do you think all that water's going to go? Flooding in coastal cities all over the world? I'm just saying, for all the people that don't have a problem with losing the glaciers...there will be consequences for how much we fucked up the planet, and the glaciers are just the beginning.
 
global warming means glaciers melt, more moisutre in storms, DUMPS LOTS!!! but really ive got no idea what im talking about
 
"We" as in humans didn't really do much, as CO2 is a relatively minor greenhouse gas compared to water vapor, which is by far the most powerful.Oceans heating up = more water vapor (hence more precipitation and more snow) and therefore more global warming due to the original heating phase. In addition, ocean-borne algaes and plants cause the ocean to release CO2 when they heat up, also contributing hugely to the larger than normal amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere.
As for fucked up the planet? There have been numerous great extinctions and plenty of events far more serious than a little extra CO2 in the atmosphere, and the planet has survived and prospered once again. To give you an idea how insignificant we are in the grand scheme of the planet, think about how long major industrialisation has been taking place for. Several hundred years at best. The planet is approximately 5 billion years old and it has survived EVERYTHING. Humans have been "fucking up the planet" for less than one 5 millionth of its total existence. To assume that we have the power to mess things up is a little ridiculous.
Concerning all those poor people in coastal cities... We have several hundred thousand Darfuri refugees living either in camps or fleeing for their lives, and we don't give a shit. It is only because of global warming that we care about the people living comfortably in low altitude coastal cities losing their homes. Even at the rate that the seas are rising, these people could easily get out with plenty of time to spare.
I refuse to bend on my position when someone refers to it as an "uninformed post".Please at least make reference to science when attempting to discredit me.(That is not to say that I backed up every single claim with research, but trust me I can)
 
yeah and we set records for snowfall this december in portland and it was fucking snowing in vegas so don't be a fucking al gore about it aight.
 
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