qazwsxedc34
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Are they crud bashers? How do they compare to Moment Bibby pros and other dense bombproof skis?
What's the opinion on Rossi Black Ops?
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BigPurpleSkiSuit
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The original blackops is one of the best skis ever made in my opinion.
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14326608:animator said:
What did you not like about it?
Non_State_Actor
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Because of Rossignol's absolute lack of a coherent branding strategy for their skis we have no idea what ski you're talking about OP.
The 118mm wide 2900g black ops?
The 118mm wide 2900g black ops?
qazwsxedc34
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What was bad? Did you buy the 118 waist model or the 98 waist model? I think they had the rossi blackops 118 in 2018, and then the rossi blackops 'progressive gamers' which are the same thing and are being sold today (though I'm not entirely sure) and then they have their sender black ops line which includes the Sender, Sender TI and Sender squad which I believe only comes in 192cm length in its 112 waste.
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BigPurpleSkiSuit
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Sender squad is actually a 194
qazwsxedc34
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14326619:mystery3 said:
Yes, the 118 blackops. Now known as the progressive gamer.
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14326612:BigPurpleSkiSuit said:
I got on it expecting a super burly playful charger and was met with a ski that was grossly soft in the tips and tails to the point where I was folding them (I’m only 5’11 and 200 pounds and I was skiing the 186). That combined with a very dead feeling core was enough to deter me for life
qazwsxedc34
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14326649:animator said:
Weird. The dense dead feeling is often something I like to bash through crud. I don't mind the 2x4 feeling but if it is folding, dead and that soft dense feeling, then that makes what is branded as a good crud basher into a bad one.
I assume the soft feeling is due to the rubber in the tips and tails. I love rubber, urethane in skis, whether in the tips tails or along the edges. I think rubber in skis makes for a better charging ski but it has to be integrated into a beefy ski that doesn't fold as you've said.
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14326677:animator said:
Yeah, I think the blackop 118 gamers, not sure about the 2018 year blackops, are a full poplar core. Maybe they were carved from a single 2x4. The k2 Pettitor's dense sort of dead feeling is something I adored. I think, obviously, the more epoxy, that is gluing together two types of wood stringers in a ski, make for a more dense pair of skis, rather than one type of wood carved from a single 2x4. k2 is known to use a lot of epoxy. The elastic modulus and rupture of poplar isn't all that great, it's it's low weight. I'd rather have two types of wood, even douglus fir/aspen would be a more bombproof option than a full core poplar.
I believe the enforcer had a poplar and beech wood core with thin sheets of metal. The beech is very heavy, with a very high elastic modulus. In fact, I don't know why ski companies don't use beech more often. I assume because everyone wants light skis. The volkl mantra's abiltiy to slash through crud, certainly is due to its ti but I think the beech just makes it that much better.
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Also, blizzards use of birch and mixing three types of wood with Ti makes for a very dense bombproof ski.
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14326710:animator said:
Yes, obviously. I never liked any ski, so far, that has used just one type of wood. I have loved most skis with Fir/aspen, Aspen/Pine, like Moment; anything with beech, like Mantras or birch, like Blizzard, Bamboo isn't too bad either. I hate Balsa, flax, poplar alone, that wood Pawolina or however you spell it, among other light woods.